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It's gathered from the actual rulebooks, the FFG sourcebooks and supplements, the Ciaphas Cain novels, and a few other places.

A single author taking liberty with the lore (such as what Mitchel does to Sisters) doesn't prove anything to me.

Melissia wrote:It's gathered from the actual rulebooks, the FFG sourcebooks and supplements, the Ciaphas Cain novels, and a few other places.

A single author taking liberty with the lore (such as what Mitchel does to Sisters) doesn't prove anything to me.

I would love to know specifically where it says this in those books. FYI rather than taking liberty with anything most of the background we have on blanks actually originates in the Eisenhorn novels.

For Dark Heresy, it details Untouchables on page 38 of The Radical's Handbook.

Well you know that there is a difference between a Blank and a Pariah right?

Pariah's are soulless and are negative areas in the warp. Blanks, or untouchables have the ability to block out the warp.

The Distaff and the Sisters of Silence were made of the latter, while Culexus Assassins are made from the former.

is it possible for a space marine/chaos marine blank/pariah though?
obviouslly they would have trouble with the psycho-conditioning, but with a chaos marine that wouldn't matter.

as mmmBoBo said, blanks and pariahs are different. they all do have a 'soul' though, i dare say the 'soulless' moniker came from the 'fear and dread' they naturally inspire in people.

Chaos Emperor wrote:is it possible for a space marine/chaos marine blank/pariah though?
obviouslly they would have trouble with the psycho-conditioning, but with a chaos marine that wouldn't matter.

as mmmBoBo said, blanks and pariahs are different. they all do have a 'soul' though, i dare say the 'soulless' moniker came from the 'fear and dread' they naturally inspire in people.

Again, why would a Chaos Marine be a pariah? The whole point of a Chaos Marine is that he is infused with the power of the warp.
Now a Renegade Marine, that may be possible, but then you would need to come up with a reason why the imperium would bother making a pariah into a SM when they already have a role for them.

CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Again, why would a Chaos Marine be a pariah?

maybe one normal Chaos Marine transered the promises. Or he gave to the pariah the ability to be normal

mmmBoBo wrote:Pariah's are soulless and are negative areas in the warp. Blanks, or untouchables have the ability to block out the warp.

Pariahs and Blanks are the same thing.

Again, why would a Chaos Marine be a pariah? The whole point of a Chaos Marine is that he is infused with the power of the warp.
Now a Renegade Marine, that may be possible, but then you would need to come up with a reason why the imperium would bother making a pariah into a SM when they already have a role for them.

Had the idea that a khorne lord found a pariah, made him a chaos marine and trained him so he could use him to block out any opposing sorcerors powers.
it's rather the same principal as having a vampire working for a chaos lord in fantasy, the gods cant claim his soul, but he would have other uses to the lord.

Chaos Emperor wrote:

Again, why would a Chaos Marine be a pariah? The whole point of a Chaos Marine is that he is infused with the power of the warp.
Now a Renegade Marine, that may be possible, but then you would need to come up with a reason why the imperium would bother making a pariah into a SM when they already have a role for them.

Had the idea that a khorne lord found a pariah, made him a chaos marine and trained him so he could use him to block out any opposing sorcerors powers.
it's rather the same principal as having a vampire working for a chaos lord in fantasy, the gods cant claim his soul, but he would have other uses to the lord.

Not really possible as Pariahs can't be touched by the warp at all.
I suppose you could have CSM kidnap a pariah and somehow make him into a SM...but then you would have a pissed off superhuman warrior whose very presence messes up their powers and connection to the warp. For some reason, I just don't find that to be likely.

Psienesis wrote:For Dark Heresy, it details Untouchables on page 38 of The Radical's Handbook.

Yes in there it says untouchables are 'completely immune' to psychic powers but that's a rule for in game. Taking that as fluff would be like saying every standard IG soldier in the galaxy has exactly the same skill at shooting.

We know untouchables aren't completely immune to psychic powers as Alizabeth Bequin was killed (or near enough, I know she's going to be revived in the new book) by a psychic backlash from a chaos titan she was trying to disrupt.

Right....

... care to explain, from a medical standpoint, what a "psychic backlash from a Chaos Titan" is and its effects on human biology?

We don't know exactly what happened here, as Titans are normally driven by Princeps who are tied to the War-Spirit of the Titan. It could very well be that the "psychic backlash" was nothing of the sort but, instead, infrasonic damage caused by something in the Titan overloading. She, at the time being the forward-most of the party, and out of cover, simply suffered brain damage from it. We don't know, and until Abnett tells us, cannot ever know, exactly what aspect of the Titan caused Bequin's fall.

Psienesis wrote:Right....

... care to explain, from a medical standpoint, what a "psychic backlash from a Chaos Titan" is and its effects on human biology?

We don't know exactly what happened here, as Titans are normally driven by Princeps who are tied to the War-Spirit of the Titan. It could very well be that the "psychic backlash" was nothing of the sort but, instead, infrasonic damage caused by something in the Titan overloading. She, at the time being the forward-most of the party, and out of cover, simply suffered brain damage from it. We don't know, and until Abnett tells us, cannot ever know, exactly what aspect of the Titan caused Bequin's fall.

Have you even read the book? Alizibeth is actively using her powers to disrupt the Titan's psychic power.

This is the line from when it happens...

"The backrip of the Titan's terrible sentience tore into her, overwhelmed her untouchable quality by dint of its sheer force, and broke her mind."

That and the line in the first book which says untouchables are "virtually immune" to psychic powers tells me, as clear as day, that untouchables are not "utterly immune" to psychic powers.

Right, I've read the book several times. Remember, though, that the novel is written from Eisenhorn's PoV, as gathered from his journal, case notes, etc. at some point in the future, so we have to take Eisenhorn's word for it as to things that go on. Same again in the Ravenor series, though that has additional third-person perspective chapters not presented in Eisenhorn.

So we are left to ask, "Is Eisenhorn an expert on this subject, as a psyker, to know what is really going on, or is he making assumptions because he, as an Inquisitor, is not really in the know about Titan operation on that level?"

Or you could just refer to somewhere viable where it says differently.

So far we have evidence for A with none for B. Rather than question A, first look for evidence to support B. Just because A is questionable, that doesn't mean an idea seemingly convoluted from nowhere is true.

Pada wrote:
if you read Ravenor you can see that a Pariah can be normal human if a stong phycker try to get to his mind. so the Black Pariah maybe wasnt a 100% Pariah but only a part of him was Pariah when he sumited to Chaos

i can also add here the batle vs the Titan

also: Eisehorn understood what happenig.remeber: he get into its mind