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Hi, I'm new around here and need some advice from the Dakka community.

I'm currently looking into getting a book from the 'Black Library', but I am not really a fan of Chaos or Daemons at all. Are there any Black Library books without Chaos Marines and Daemons? What's confusing me is that most books seem to feature some 'dark plot' or 'dark enemy', that could be almost anybody! I'm thinking of getting the Ultramarines Omnibus, mainly because of 'Warriors of Ultramar' (I quite like stories about the struggle for survival against unstoppable Tyranids!), but I would like to make sure there are no Daemons in it, I have sort of a moral objection to them.

Suggestions for other good books are appreciated as well

Thanks,

40k Pirate

I would suggest something about the Heresy, ahh wait no .. that has Daemons. Um, Storm of Iron, err .. no, that has a Daemon in it. Um Daemonworld, no .. the title is a give away there. Maybe Eisenhorn, no wait, that has Daemonhosts in it.

Battle of the Fang, no, Daemon Primarch...

The Ultramarines Omnibus has Dead Sky, Black Sun in it, which is on a Daemon World, so I would miss that out.

Honestly, some of the best Black Library books ever written involve Daemons.

You could try Fall of Damnos, which has Necrons and Space Marines or the Purging of Kadillus, which is Orks and Space Marines.

If you like IG, try Dead Men Walking. Death Korps of Krieg v. Necrons.

The Ciaphas Cain series is a good one if you want a dark-humorous twist on the 41st millennium. Cain is an enjoyable character to read about, and most of the secondary characters are a riot in of themselves. The book also uses footnotes written in-universe that add a lot to draw you in and have some of the best jokes. If you don't like chaos as an enemy, then just avoid the books in the spoiler below from the series.

Books I've read that have no Chaos:

1.) Path of the Warrior
2.) Path of the Renegade
3.) 15 Hours
4.) Ice Guard
5.) Fear the Alien

Helsreach is Black Templars versus the Orks.

Rynn's World is Crimson Fists versus the Orks.

Last Chancers Omnibus, I am at the beginning of book three and thus far no true Chaos (some secessionists iirc)

Last Chancers is massively demon based. Someone who has a moral objection to warp-born space predators isn't going to like that un.

The space marine battles books are likely going to be your best bet. They tend to be very clear who is fighting in it. - And most take the form of simple X v Y books.

Read Fulgrim and like it!

Deathshead420 wrote:Read Fulgrim and like it!

Except that is the exact opposite of what he was requesting. It is also mostly useful as toilet paper.

Some more info what OP is looking for would be cool. There's lots of BL novels that do not feature daemons! Don't you have a favourite faction, Mr. Pirate?

SoB novels without daemons: Faith & Fire (vs Psykers), Hammer & Anvil (vs Necrons)

Except that is the exact opposite of what he was requesting. It is also mostly useful as toilet paper.

So in your 3000+ posts you have yet to run across sarcasm ?

40k Pirate wrote: I would like to make sure there are no Daemons in it, I have sort of a moral objection to them.

I...

I don't understand.

Is this a religious thing?

Rynn's World would be my vote.

The Ultramarines series doesn't involve chaos for the first few books.

Savage scars is nice. I enjoyed it(although it was my first 40k novel so this may be love speaking)
They fight Tau.
Death or glory, I cant recommened that one enough.

Wow, there seems to be more than I thought! You've given me a lot to think about, I reckon I might start with 'Warriors of Ultramar' (because Tyranids rule!) or one of the Space Marine Battles. I've heard lots of praise for 'Gaunt's Ghosts' though, any daeomons in that?

Lynata wrote:Some more info what OP is looking for would be cool. There's lots of BL novels that do not feature daemons! Don't you have a favourite faction, Mr. Pirate?

By far my favourite race is Tyranids, though I am particularly interested in any Tau or SM vs Tyranids, as they're the races I come up against the most.

Kaldor wrote:

40k Pirate wrote:I would like to make sure there are no Daemons in it, I have sort of a moral objection to them.

I...

I don't understand.

Is this a religious thing?

Yeah, it is. I'm Christain and I just don't feel completely comfortable with them. (Not that the rest of 40k is all that friendly either, but I can cope with that!)

I'm a Christian too. I have no problems with it.

Chaos makes the best bad guys to be honest.

40k Pirate wrote: Yeah, it is. I'm Christain and I just don't feel completely comfortable with them.

You know these daemons are fictional, right?

40k Pirate wrote:Yeah, it is. I'm Christain and I just don't feel completely comfortable with them. (Not that the rest of 40k is all that friendly either, but I can cope with that!)

But, they're not even religious daemons. They're just aliens from another dimension.

Yeah, I know they're fictional, and they may just technically be 'aliens', but they have a very demonic theme (surprise surprise) which I'm personally not comfortable with at the moment, so I'd just rather avoid that kind of stuff for the time being.

Grey Templar wrote:Chaos makes the best bad guys to be honest.

How so? Dislike of daemons aside, they seem to be just as bad as all the other alien races to me.

Warrior Brood is one I enjoyed;

The world of Herodian IV is doomed when the nightmarish Tyranid Hive Fleets descend from the depths of space, intent on devouring every living thing on the planet. In the vital hours before the planet is lost, Inquisitor Kalypsia and a team of Deathwatch Space Marines are sent on a mission to investigate a vital research outpost. The terrible secret they uncover could spell a fate worse than death for Kalypsia and her warriors - maybe even for the whole of humanity, but can they escape to safety before they are torn apart by the ravenous alien hordes?

It was followed by Warrior Coven;

The iconic Deathwatch Space Marines and their remit to hunt down the foul alien creatures that besiege mankind from all fronts. Warrior Coven sees the Deathwatch being forced to ally with those they have sworn to destroy. Can they hold their fanatical hatred in check to prevent a bigger evil from entering the universe?

40k Pirate wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:Chaos makes the best bad guys to be honest.

How so? Dislike of daemons aside, they seem to be just as bad as all the other alien races to me.

The Dark Gods of the Warp are the bitter enemy of the God Emperor of Mankind. They seek nothing more than his destruction. The corruption of the Emperors favoured son Horus by the Dark Gods led to the darkest time the Imperium has ever known, the Horus Heresy. Brother fought brother and the galaxy burned. The outcome of the Heresy led to the Emperor being incarcerated on the Golden Throne, to protect mankind forever as those Traitors which survived the Heresy seek nothing more than the Imperiums Destruction. For ten thousand years the Long War has been fought and will continue until their goals have been achieved.

DEATH TO THE FALSE EMPEROR!

I see your point, but the Tyranids won't stop until everything has been eaten, the Necrons won't stop until they've reclaimed their empire, the Orks will never stop fighting anybody and everybody.....
Despite being Daemons, is there anything that makes them particularly worse, or are they just more determined about the Imperium's destruction?

Also, thanks everybody for the suggestions, I think I have a large enough list to keep me busy

40k Pirate wrote:I see your point, but the Tyranids won't stop until everything has been eaten, the Necrons won't stop until they've reclaimed their empire, the Orks will never stop fighting anybody and everybody.....
Despite being Daemons, is there anything that makes them particularly worse, or are they just more determined about the Imperium's destruction?

The difference with the other Xenos races is that they weren't ever part of the Imperium

So Chaos Daemons weren't, but their allies were.

40k Pirate wrote:I see your point, but the Tyranids won't stop until everything has been eaten, the Necrons won't stop until they've reclaimed their empire, the Orks will never stop fighting anybody and everybody.....
Despite being Daemons, is there anything that makes them particularly worse, or are they just more determined about the Imperium's destruction?

Also, thanks everybody for the suggestions, I think I have a large enough list to keep me busy

To me, Daemons are worse not because of their voracious appetite (Nids), or for their soulless destruction (Crons), but for their corruption (basically as Pilau said). They are not only capable of killing you in many many horrble ways, they are capable of corrupting you to turn against everythng you believe in, taking your soul in the bargain...

Because the Daemons (and Chaos in general) actively seek out the specific destruction of the Imperium, whereas Tyranids care not what species' planet the just devoured, no the Necrons what ancient stronghold of theirs they reclaimed. Also, Chaos is the everlasting enemy, it will ALWAYS be there, as the warp is its realm.

OT: Rynn's World is very good, as is the Fall of Damnos

My vote would be for Helsreach. ADB is a ridiculously good author, and that book is pure, grade-a, solid gold perfection. Plus, y'know, it's all Space Marines and Orks, no Chaos nastiness if that ain't your thing.

40k Pirate wrote:Yeah, I know they're fictional, and they may just technically be 'aliens', but they have a very demonic theme (surprise surprise) which I'm personally not comfortable with at the moment, so I'd just rather avoid that kind of stuff for the time being.

Grey Templar wrote:Chaos makes the best bad guys to be honest.

How so? Dislike of daemons aside, they seem to be just as bad as all the other alien races to me.

As in "best bad guys" I mean that from a literary standpoint.

You want a classic good vs evil story.

I don't want my enemies to be your Satuday Morning Cartoon Disney villain that teased me, called me a brat, stole my milk money, and kicks puppies just because he can. I want someone who is really evil. Something that corrupts(because thats what real evil is, it isn't something that is obviously bad. Its seductive and compelling)

Chaos fits the bill.

Grey Templar wrote:

You want a classic good vs evil story.

I don't want my enemies to be your Satuday Morning Cartoon Disney villain that teased me, called me a brat, stole my milk money, and kicks puppies just because he can. I want someone who is really evil. Something that corrupts(because thats what real evil is, it isn't something that is obviously bad. Its seductive and compelling)

Chaos fits the bill.

Why can't my signature fit this whole thing . This is truly what makes them such a compelling antagonist. Probably the reason I like the inquisitor series