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I'm having a rest from 40k for a bit, now that my eldar are well under way, so i decided to get a fantasy army. Wood elves look really good, but i'm still stuck on what to get.

What are all of the armies like to play with. What are there strong and weak points? Are they expensive to get? Why should i get them?

Please tell me about the armies in the way listed above, so i can decide which one to get.

Thank's guys!

There are a lot of posts on this topic you can search for in these forums or elsewhere. In fantasy play what you like.

The thing with Fantasy is that your tastes and styles can come a lot more into it than in 40k. There is far more balance between the armies in WFHB (for the most part) so the question really is what kind of method do you want to use? Do you want speed. strength, magic, defense? Some of both? Bit of everything?

Also, check the appearance and fluff of everything.

Prefferably, i wan't an army that looks good, is fast and defensive, and packs a punch

Hmmm....High Elves might be up your alley, then.

are they easy to use? And are they expensive to get?

Any Elf army has some precision elements to it. All Elves are very fragile on an individual basis, so you can't afford to be reckless or sloppy with your movement of them. But with Steadfast and solid defensive units like Phoenix Guard, High Elves can usually be counted on to stick around.

And they are not too bad to collect, the IoB set has a lot of High Elves in it, so you can snap up some core troops pretty easily. But, as always, codex first, that's what I always do with a new fantasy army.

From what I'm reading, with fast, defensive, and packing a punch I'm interpreting this as quick, able to take a hit, and combat proficient. Magic and shooting Will not interest you at this point in time. If this is incorrect, please inform us.

Warriors are decent speed, hard to kill, and very combat proficient. They have almost no shooting and average magic.

Bretonians are fast and defensive. However they're often struggling to kill things in this edition.

Beastmen are fast and combat heavy.

Daemons are combat proficient and hard to kill with thier ward save. Fast if you do slaanesh. Magic is ok. Shooting ok

OaG is combat proficient, goofy, and fun. Not that fast and not reliable but good at everything.

High elves and dark elves are fast and combat proficient.

Really it's all about the different minute things you like to do with your armies. Pick a theme and then look for that one model you wish to paint more than any other and that's your army.

what are the other armies like? Such as lizardmen, wood elves, skaven, e.t.c

Lizard men are decent overall. Strong magic. Decently able totals a hit. Good shooting, not very good at dealing damage in combat.

Skaven are huge in number. Strong magic. Strong shooting. Die in droves. Not at all combat proficient. Rely on massive numbers to win.

Wood elves are fast and shooting. Decent magic. Bad at combat.

Tk rely on large monsters to kill. They die fast but they rez themselves back up almost as fast. Good shooting. Good magic.

Vc is similar but has stronger heros. Die in droves. Rezzes in droves. Strong monsters. A little worse at magic then Tk.

Empire is jack of all trades. It can do everything well, but not really specializing in one thing.

Ogres are hard hitting, powerful and good. Decent magic, strong shooting, strong combat, takes a hit averagely.

I feel like I am forgetting someone...

dwarfs
dark elves

Dwarves are slow, heavy hitters with shooting. No magic. Decent at combat.

Dark elves are basically evil high elves. Better at shooting, worse at magic.

Read some army books, then decide on what you like from there. Works very well, and in Fantasy the balance between the armies are much greater than in 40k. All armies can be devastating if played correctly

Sorry for all of the questions, but what are the armies like when it comes to painting, and how much they cost to collect?

Well I collect Beastmen, Ogres and WoC.

Beastmen : The models are fine, and fun to paint if you don't mind painting a lot of fur and hide. The bigger models offers a great opportunity to make your army really shine. They do require a lot of models and hence will be somewhat expensive to collect but worth it.

Ogres : These are the ones I enjoy the most to paint, you don't need a lot of them and they lend them self well to conversions. As a low model count army they are affordable
and not too heavy on the wallet.

WoC : You can paint hordes of Marauders witch means a lot of flesh tones and such, or Warriors that involves a lot of metallic and fur to paint. They are very nice to paint since they are nice and detailed models for the most. Depending on the build you run you may need a lot of Marauder boxes or fewer Warrior kits. either ways the battalion is a great way to start

Thanks for the suggestions guys! If you think there is more to say about the armies, or you just wan't an input, feel free to comment on any of the topics in this thread!

No problem, always a pleasure to help a fellow gamer out.

I've wittled it down to two armies, chaos daemons, and orcs+ogres. Any other info on these armies such as
What are they like to paint?

What are there strenths and weaknesses?

What kind of army are they? i.e. Fast Hoardy, e.t.c

Are they hard to build and play?

Are they wallet friendly?

Or just say what you feel about the armies

Orcs? You mean orks & goblins I assume.

Ogre play style :
With Ogers you will always be outnumbered, so be aggressive and go on the offensive with your Ogre bulls & Iron guts. They are a army that needs some practice but not much. As for building they are nice, although the Stone horn/ Thunder tusk kit can be somewhat frustrating when assembling the beast. Most kits are very simple to assemble. They are also rather wallet friendly as you really don't need a lot of troops, the battalion + a box of bulls and some Mournfangs and a Slaughterer and fire belly will gt you far. BSB you can build from the Bull kit.

sorry, no ogres, just orcs and goblins, and chaos daemons. It was just a typo

Ah I see, I was wondering if it was anything in that manner.

Demons of Chaos

The main strengths of the army is that demons are all usually very good at what they do. Bloodletters are pretty awesome melee fighters, Plaguebearers are excellent line-holders, Horrors can provide magical support and Demonettes are nice, fast fighters. This is made even more true when they have a Herald included in the unit. So long as you have the unit doing their job, they will likely do that job very, very well.

In addition, you have a lot of versatility and effective builds for your characters. Bloodthirsters and Keepers of Secrets are melee monsters, especially once you kit them out in Gifts. Great Unclean Ones are super durable and Changers of Ways are top-notch casters. Tzeentch casters can have access to all of the core lores in Fantasy, which make them all stars at either casting for damage or unit support.

Also, all Demons have a ward save (equivalent of an invul in 40k) so no matter where the damage is coming from, you will almost always get some kind of save against it.

The weaknesses, however, is that you have an army of specialists. While they do their specific jobs very well, the different flavors of demon tend to falter and not be able to fill in gaps that are not their style. For example, Bloodletters on defense will tend to get killed quickly, Horrors in melee will not really shine.

Also, while you have plenty of ward saves, you almost never have armor saves, and the ward saves are generally below average, yes you usually have a 5++ save against everything, but you'll rarely have more than that 5++ save, so you gotta be careful. Also, demon armies are a bit expensive points-wise, losses will be felt and you do not have access to many chaff units. Combined with relatively low toughness (outside of Nurgle) and poor saves, you need to play aggressive to do your damage, otherwise you will get picked off at range or ground down in attrition.

Daemons also are immune to psychology which is important and makes them beginner friendly. They also cause fear which can make your opponent WS1 so they hit you less and you hit them more. They also will not break and run instead they are unstable and lose models when combat is lost.

As for orcs and goblins it's a great starter, they are like Empire as they can do many things and have a very large model/unit range they generally run cheaper in point costs though as they do have an animosity rule which can ruin your plans, but it does make them more fun and generally people love playing against them more then daemons so you'll get more friendly pick up games if you play at a gaming store.

ok. Thanks guys for alk your help, i've decided to get orcs&goblins, because they seem to be a better starting army for fantasy. Thanks everyone!


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when talking about ogres, Trondheim, you mentioned bulls, but i can't seem to find them on games workshop


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was going for orcs, but they're not competative enough. Please help!

Orcs are competitive. Just random.

Also, do not think of 'competitive' because that is something that is much, much smaller of an issue in Fantasy. All armies can be powerful in the right hands. It is not like 40k where new codicies has an inherent advantage.

curran12 wrote:Also, do not think of 'competitive' because that is something that is much, much smaller of an issue in Fantasy. All armies can be powerful in the right hands. It is not like 40k where new codicies has an inherent advantage.

This.

curran12 wrote:Also, do not think of 'competitive' because that is something that is much, much smaller of an issue in Fantasy. All armies can be powerful in the right hands. It is not like 40k where new codicies has an inherent advantage.

Not this. If you're saying that Bretons / WE are on the same power level as Demons / Lizardmen / Dark Elves, then I'd say that you're downright wrong.

The difference is still lesser in Fantasy.

OrkzCrazy wrote:ok. Thanks guys for alk your help, i've decided to get orcs&goblins, because they seem to be a better starting army for fantasy. Thanks everyone!


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when talking about ogres, Trondheim, you mentioned bulls, but i can't seem to find them on games workshop


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was going for orcs, but they're not competative enough. Please help!

Ogre bulls are the mainstay of any Ogre army.

This is the kit you where looking for, its the same as mentioned bulls

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat670005a&prodId=prod1320015a&rootCatGameStyle=