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Would it be possible for xenos that are defeated to be occupied by worlds of the Imperium, or would the require the xenos to be exterminated? Would the loyalty or involvement in the Inquisition on other issues play a role in whether it would be allowed? If a region of the Imperium is extremely anti witch, would they be allowed to be more lenient toward xenos, especially if they could be relied on not to collaborate with them?

I am pretty sure upon claiming dominion of the xenos world, the surviving populace would be subjugated and systematically destroyed, i believe inquisitorial approval would be the only thing that would be a stay of execution for them. (Ala Jokero, Abhumans ect)

Tolerance of the Alien is the first step along the path of heresy. As I am sure someone somewhere has said.

If the sector doing the occupation has a lot of Inquisitors, would that work for Tau, or would that be considered too radical? Would it also not work if the Inquisitors were not Ordo Xenos?

I would hazzard to guess it would really really depend on the inquisitors in question, the resistance the populace put up, and to what end they aim to use the Xenos for, and when I say use, i mean use, labor camps ect ect most likely.

It's standard Imperial policy to wipe a planet clean of all known xenos then settle it with colonists.

Depends on if the xenos in question are intelligent or not. If, like the Jokaero, they are not, then they will probably be spared, so long as they are not dangerous to humanity. The Jokaero, specifically, are not an intelligent species, they simply have a built-in understanding of advanced technology that allows them to build digital weaponry. Of course, this could be a ruse, and the Inquisition is simply exploiting them for their own reasons, though the Jokaero do not seem to speak, have no known written language or culture to speak of.

Intelligent xenos are generally eradicated, I can't think of any xenos species that is "protected" or annexed by the Imperium.

If the Xenos are sentient the Imperium would wipe 'em out, especially if they were hostile or had the potential to do damage to Imperial interests.

Native creatures of a planet, which to us would be "aliens" (stuff like Ptera-squirrels, Grox) are usually not annihilated, unless they're dangerous, and are likely to be farmed etc. if there's a use for them.

Actual "cultures" of Xenos would get killed, because if it's sentient, and it has emotions then it might turn to Chaos. So if it's as advanced as a chimp, or, say, neanderthals, they'd get cleared away for colonists, just in case.

Ok. So I see occupation probably wouldn't work.

Maybe they could intend to occupy the Tau, another army from the Imperium arrives to "take over the occupation" and begins removing the population.

How exactly does the Imperium exterminate xenos anyway?


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They could also be sent to the Stardust Empire.

Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:

How exactly does the Imperium exterminate xenos anyway?

Orbital bombing...or a protracted search-and-destroy campaign by either the Imperial Guard or the Space Marines.

Look at Germany in the 40's , it's only genocide if you lose

Do you think that's actually how they'd do it? It would have to be extermination camps, because of the scale. While guardsmen might not have a problem shooting chimps or the equivalent, shooting massive numbers of civilized xenos would likely cause massive problems, especially since this would probably be on the scale of billions of xenos per world, depending on whether a civilization has started yet.


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Space Marines probably would not have a problem at all.

Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:Do you think that's actually how they'd do it? It would have to be extermination camps, because of the scale. While guardsmen might not have a problem shooting chimps or the equivalent, shooting massive numbers of civilized xenos would likely cause massive problems, especially since this would probably be on the scale of billions of xenos per world, depending on whether a civilization has started yet.

Humans view xenos as vermin...they would do it willingly and might even enjoy it.

That may be the case, but it would still get to them eventually through the numbers and being personally involved with it. The Nazis considered Jews to be vermin, and it still got to them. Maybe the Imperium would create special task forces of only sociopaths to do it, though I imagine that they would then be killed after the world was taken, since I don't see the Imperium wanting to have sociopaths around.

Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:That may be the case, but it would still get to them eventually through the numbers and being personally involved with it.

You underestimate the ruthlessness of the Imperium...orbital bombing to deal with the largest 'infestations' with Astartes/Guard specialists mopping up the rest. Astartes wouldn't care...if the Guardsmen go off the rocker, that's what Commissars and Chaplains are for...hey, who knew? Priests are good for something after all...

The Guard would have absolutely no problem exterminating Xenos civilians by the millions. They are taught, from birth, that the Xeno is vile, wicked, treacherous, a blasphemy made flesh in the eyes of the God-Emperor, utterly without merit or worth in any way, and also prone to various blasphemies like eating human babies, raping human women, practicing profane rites, and every other kind of crime and sin that you can lay onto them.

When it comes to Xenos, especially those whom have opposed/fought the Imperium before, there can be no mercy. While a few Guardsmen might have qualms about such things, that's what Commissars are for.

Maybe the Imperium would create special task forces of only sociopaths to do it, though I imagine that they would then be killed after the world was taken, since I don't see the Imperium wanting to have sociopaths around.

They're Guardsmen. War is hell... and in the grim darkness of the 41st millennium, there is only war. Most Guardsmen will never again know a life outside of the Guard, so them being cold-blooded, merciless killers works out just fine for the Adeptus Terra and the Munitorum.

Exalted, Psienesis.

One thing people need to remember about 40k... there are no good guys. The human group as a whole more or less kills every non-human they come into contact with, for the dark-ages every xeno encroached upon humans and its has been engrained in the culture since.

Wanna be a good citizen, go shoot that baby xeno in the face. Good job the emperor would be proud.

All Sentient Xenos must be exterminated. Occasionally, the Inquisition may keep some specimens alive for study to see if they find anything useful. other then that they are not tolerated.

For the record, Jokaero are NOT sentient. They are animals, that utilize technology. its no different to chimps using tools. The Jokaero just make highly advanced tools that the Imperium finds useful. So they are kept like pets by some individuals.

Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:Do you think that's actually how they'd do it? It would have to be extermination camps, because of the scale. While guardsmen might not have a problem shooting chimps or the equivalent, shooting massive numbers of civilized xenos would likely cause massive problems, especially since this would probably be on the scale of billions of xenos per world, depending on whether a civilization has started yet.


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Space Marines probably would not have a problem at all.

I think you've got it backwards. Marines tend to be well travelled and not as indoctrinated into the Imperial Cult of hate as much as humans. Space Wolves and Ultramarines have a tough time shooting unarmed people even if they are Aliens. Imperial Guard have that SS trained way of dehumanizing people - especially when they are not human. Every chapter is different of course. Black Templars and Dark Angels wouldn't blink an eye at exterminating a planet of xenos.

Unarmed civilians are one thing... Xenos are something entirely different.

A Xeno civilian is, by its very nature, inferior to humanity, and not deserving of the same respect or accord from the Astartes. After all, even the Space Wolves and Imperial Fists, who are noted for defending the common folk of the Imperium, do this because these civilians are, after all, the people of the Emperor.

There are some exceptions. On worlds with quite lax Imperial control xenos mercenaries, traders and the like sometimes operate, not openly but they are fairly accepted. On worlds tightly controlled by the Imperium, or on worlds where the Imperial cult is strongly entrenched, Xenos would be killed on sight by the civilian populace.

The only sanctioned example of sentient Xenos working for/with the Imperium on an offical basis is in a Rogue Trader's entourage.

On the subject of dehumanization calling it "SS" like approaches Godwin's Law. Every army in history has applied dehumanization to allow it's soldiers to kill. Murdering our own kind is not something that is natural to human beings. They must be conditioned to it.

http://northstarguide.wordpress.com/2011/07/31/dehumanization-and-the-psychology-of-killing/

This article from the mists of college might be a little relevant on the psychological condition therein but when it comes down to it, every human soul in the Imperium identifies the Xenos as the enemy and has been raised to from birth. In one of the Ciaphas Cain novels Amberly Vail fondly remembers a children's book she enjoyed as a child with amusing depicitions of heretics being burned to death. I'm sure if one pressed her she could remember further examples involving various forms of Xenos and mutant. Throw in a lifetime of church services with true hatred and rightful destruction of the heretic, mutant, etc being hurled from the pulpit every sunday and you're going to have a populace that is more then ready to do some killing on or even before you give the order. You might have one or two men out of a given regiment of Guardsmen who snap after burning a fresh batch of Tau civilians but like someone else said, that's what commissars are for.

I don't know killing our own kind seems to come quite natural to us.

That guy only had seven footnotes in his whole paper... And five of them were from the internet, including blogspot.com and sites.google.com by someone who didn't even have a domain for it... One was from personal interviews, and his only book source was anecdotal.

On topic,

I was referring to the fact that people had not been able to handle killing large numbers of people directly. Since we already went Godwin, look up Einsatzgruppen.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:I don't know killing our own kind seems to come quite natural to us.

Look at a riot or an angry mob...

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

I think you've got it backwards. Marines tend to be well travelled and not as indoctrinated into the Imperial Cult of hate as much as humans. Space Wolves and Ultramarines have a tough time shooting unarmed people even if they are Aliens. Imperial Guard have that SS trained way of dehumanizing people - especially when they are not human. Every chapter is different of course. Black Templars and Dark Angels wouldn't blink an eye at exterminating a planet of xenos.

Most Space Marines disdain xenos as filth...they wouldn't flinch at xenocide.

I cant tell if this is a very well mannered troll or not...

Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:That guy only had seven footnotes in his whole paper... And five of them were from the internet, including blogspot.com and sites.google.com by someone who didn't even have a domain for it... One was from personal interviews, and his only book source was anecdotal.

On topic,

I was referring to the fact that people had not been able to handle killing large numbers of people directly. Since we already went Godwin, look up Einsatzgruppen.

I trimmed down my biblography of the paper for the blog. If you want the full biblography I can grab that for you. The interviews were all conducted with US, UK and Canadian military veterans on dehumanization in the modern military. As I explained there I took the redacted ink all over that for their sake and OpSec. All website publishers were contacted, vetted and the vetting of those sources were turned in with the paper itself.

and I wouldn't say On Killing or On Killing II were anecdotal Col Grossman is one of the few psychologists with actual military experience who's done work on dehumanization.

Ok. That's good. It makes sense that it would be shortened before posting it there. I assume you limited it to web sources since it's online? I just thought it was strange to have so few footnotes in a college paper. I think doing interviews was really great (good primary source). Often times though they aren't considered great for using on the internet since they basically require trust

I'll read it at some point, since it looks really interesting.

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We also might want to consider toning back the discussions of genocide possibly.

I don't see the Guard as having any issues doing mass extermination. It is what Nazi Germany would have done had bullets not been needed elsewhere. Since Lasguns don't really use bullets, problem solved!

Purge the unclean?