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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/08/20 21:20:22
Subject: Missing Chaos God
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Been Around the Block
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If the gods are a reflection of emotion, and love is the strongest emotion (IMO), then why is there corresponding god representing love?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/08/20 21:33:05
Subject: Missing Chaos God
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Blood-Raging Khorne Berserker
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I think the chaos gods take the strong emotions and twist them. Thus love gets broken down into lust (slaanesh), dependency (tzeentch), possessiveness (khorne) and fear of loss (nurgle).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/08/20 21:40:58
Subject: Missing Chaos God
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Perfect Shot Black Templar Predator Pilot
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lunarman wrote:I think the chaos gods take the strong emotions and twist them. Thus love gets broken down into lust (slaanesh), dependency (tzeentch), possessiveness (khorne) and fear of loss (nurgle).
This ^^
Also remember that Chaos gods represent the most EXTREME of every emotion. The most EXTREME love you can experience is no longer love, but more obsession. All emotions are bad in excess, since there are so many humans feeding into the warp all emotions are in excess there.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/08/20 21:41:43
Subject: Missing Chaos God
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Been Around the Block
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Except I think love of one's children is among the strongest and most common and yet contains no lust, dependency, or possessiveness.
edit - forgot to add the "no!"
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/08/20 22:00:24
Subject: Re:Missing Chaos God
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Ork-Hunting Inquisitorial Xenokiller
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I dont think loving your kids is exactly chaotic.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/08/20 22:34:27
Subject: Missing Chaos God
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RogueSangre
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Chaos twists any emotion, no matter how pure it is initially.
How much do you love you children? Would you kill for them? Die for them? That's Khorne's domain. If your child was sick, would you not beg the Lord of Plagues to cure him? Don't you want your children to succeed and be happy? Even if it meant scheming and plotting to make sure they get ahead in life? Who does that sound like?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/08/21 01:53:31
Subject: Missing Chaos God
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Hurr! Ogryn Bone 'Ead!
Some Throne-Forsaken Battlefield on the other side of the Galaxy
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Perhaps love isn't the strongest emotion. Also, it could feed any Chaos God, depending on what you love.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/08/21 09:04:20
Subject: Missing Chaos God
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Kelne
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I think Nurgle is responsible for Love the most - his followers call him Father Nurgle and their relationship is similar to parent-child.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/08/21 11:11:35
Subject: Re:Missing Chaos God
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Norn Queen
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That would go to Papa Nurgle.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/08/21 11:49:39
Subject: Re:Missing Chaos God
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Gimlet-Eyed Inquisitorial Acolyte
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Yup, depending on the source, Nurgle can be quite pleasant. His domain can include compassion, acceptance (as in accepting other people, flaws and all), and familial love (although probably not romantic love).
If you are referring to romantic love, then you are probably looking at Slaanesh, since it is more of the pursuit of an ideal (an aspect of perfection).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/08/21 16:20:53
Subject: Missing Chaos God
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Fresh-Faced New User
Detroit
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adam_gipson wrote:Except I think love of one's children is among the strongest and most common and yet contains no lust, dependency, or possessiveness."
Are you sure???
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/07/powell-house-explosion_n_1259114.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/07/josh-powell-voicemail-_n_1259867.html
"I am not able to live without my sons, and I'm not able to go on anymore. I'm sorry to everyone I've hurt. Goodbye"
Loved them soooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much, he slammed the door in the social workers face, axed his kids, and then blew his home up while he was inside. If taken to "extremes" that the Ruinous Powers normally do, yes, it can contain ALL those things.
Commander Endova wrote:Chaos twists any emotion, no matter how pure it is initially.
How much do you love you children? Would you kill for them? Die for them? That's Khorne's domain. If your child was sick, would you not beg the Lord of Plagues to cure him? Don't you want your children to succeed and be happy? Even if it meant scheming and plotting to make sure they get ahead in life? Who does that sound like?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/08/21 16:50:17
Subject: Missing Chaos God
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Pyro Pilot of a Triach Stalker
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This has been discussed more times than I can count, but yes, gods of objectively 'good' emotions do exist.
They are extremely limited, however, because of the overwhelming misery that is the 40k grimdark setting. Also, such beings would have little interest in effecting the material realm anyway and thus would have even a less of a chance to be seen.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/08/21 16:58:12
Subject: Missing Chaos God
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Lone Wolf Sentinel Pilot
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adam_gipson wrote:Except I think love of one's children is among the strongest and most common and yet contains no... possessiveness.
Nonsense, there are plenty of parents that are possessive of their parents. They are like people that baby their children far longer than they should.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/08/21 18:11:52
Subject: Missing Chaos God
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Journeyman Inquisitor with Visions of the Warp
York/London(for weekends) oh for the glory of the british rail industry
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adam_gipson wrote:Except I think love of one's children is among the strongest and most common and yet contains no lust, dependency, or possessiveness.
edit - forgot to add the "no!"
In the latest WD deamon fluff it mentions that even a "mother's pray for he feverish child" feeds chaos.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/08/22 07:29:03
Subject: Missing Chaos God
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Giggling Nurgling
The Bottomless Pit
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How about the Eldar gods?
Also, what about depression and saddness, what gods represtent them??
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Destroy, for the sake of Destruction
Kill, for the sake of Killing
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/08/22 09:02:21
Subject: Missing Chaos God
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Alluring Sorcerer of Slaanesh
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I absolutely LOVE taking skulls with my big shiny axe
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No pity, no remorse, no shoes |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/08/23 08:17:14
Subject: Missing Chaos God
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Wight Lord with the Sword of Kings
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/08/23 11:34:04
Subject: Missing Chaos God
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Lethal Lhamean
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Plague-Master wrote:How about the Eldar gods?
Also, what about depression and saddness, what gods represtent them??
The eldar gods were completely different, and didn't represent evils. Ask someone else who knows more about them, but they weren't formed in the same way as chaos gods (otherwise Slaanesh would be an eldar god, which she isn't).
As for depression and sadness, I think these are caused by the gods rather than being parts of them.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/08/23 13:29:29
Subject: Missing Chaos God
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Alluring Sorcerer of Slaanesh
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Slaanesh is an Eldar God, it was the direct actions of the Eldar that gave birth to Slaanesh and the reason why the Dark Eldar hide in the Webway and the Craftworld Eldar wear Soulstons.
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No pity, no remorse, no shoes |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/08/23 19:42:23
Subject: Missing Chaos God
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Stubborn Dark Angels Veteran Sergeant
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According to Lexicanum the Eldar Gods are Warp Beings, so yeah, they would seem to be Chaos Gods. However, I do seem to recall there once being many more minor Chaos Gods than only the big four there are today.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/08/23 19:52:27
Subject: Missing Chaos God
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Jovial Plaguebearer of Nurgle
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Ratbarf wrote:According to Lexicanum the Eldar Gods are Warp Beings, so yeah, they would seem to be Chaos Gods. However, I do seem to recall there once being many more minor Chaos Gods than only the big four there are today.
There was a short story a while back ago about the minor chaos god malice and I think think the story was called Sons of Malice. The CSM in the story ate live people and there was even a live space marine they ate lol.
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Heralds of Rot CSM 4000 pts
"In short there is no Order only Chaos eternal so lament and be quelled with fear if you serve the False Emperor or accept the gifts bestowed by the pantheon of the four gods and rejoice as the galaxy burns." - Unknown Wordbearer |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/08/23 19:56:53
Subject: Missing Chaos God
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Mutated Chosen Chaos Marine
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Plague-Master wrote:How about the Eldar gods?
Also, what about depression and saddness, what gods represtent them??
Nurgle probably, being the god of despair.
And Slaanesh ate most of the Eldar gods.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/08/25 10:41:31
Subject: Missing Chaos God
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Journeyman Inquisitor with Visions of the Warp
York/London(for weekends) oh for the glory of the british rail industry
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Ratbarf wrote:According to Lexicanum the Eldar Gods are Warp Beings, so yeah, they would seem to be Chaos Gods. However, I do seem to recall there once being many more minor Chaos Gods than only the big four there are today.
Warp being does not equal chaos god, but chaos god does equal warp being.
The Eldar gods were the creation of the Old Ones to guide the Eldar, they each represented a particular aspect (but as their end goal was not chaos and destruction they are not chaos gods). Slaanesh is not an Eldar god as it was not created as part of that pantheon, but much later by the Eldar themselves.
It is similar to how Gork and Mork are warp entities but not chaos gods.
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Relictors: 1500pts
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/08/25 18:01:06
Subject: Missing Chaos God
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Crushing Black Templar Crusader Pilot
Philippines
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lunarman wrote:I think the chaos gods take the strong emotions and twist them. Thus love gets broken down into lust (slaanesh), dependency (tzeentch), possessiveness (khorne) and fear of loss (nurgle).
best answer i've seen for this thread
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/08/26 07:22:50
Subject: Missing Chaos God
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Death-Dealing Devastator
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Ratbarf wrote:According to Lexicanum the Eldar Gods are Warp Beings, so yeah, they would seem to be Chaos Gods. However, I do seem to recall there once being many more minor Chaos Gods than only the big four there are today.
I believe for a short while in the late 80's GW had a 5th chaos god named Balrog that ruled them all. Until the Tolkien family told them to cease a desist.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/08/26 14:16:44
Subject: Missing Chaos God
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Willing Inquisitorial Excruciator
Croatia
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spacewolved wrote: Ratbarf wrote:According to Lexicanum the Eldar Gods are Warp Beings, so yeah, they would seem to be Chaos Gods. However, I do seem to recall there once being many more minor Chaos Gods than only the big four there are today.
I believe for a short while in the late 80's GW had a 5th chaos god named Balrog that ruled them all. Until the Tolkien family told them to cease a desist.
Really?
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Dorn won’t help you either. He’s too busy being the Emperor’s groundskeeper, hiding behind the palace walls. The Wolf is too busy cutting off heads as our father’s executioner, while the Lion holds on to his secrets, and has no special fondness for you. Who else will come? Not Ferrus, certainly. Nor Corax either. Even as we speak, I suspect he flees for Deliverance. Sanguinius?’ Curze laughed cruelly. ‘The angel is more cursed than I. The Khan? He does not wish to be found. So who is left? No one, Vulkan. None of them will come. You are simply not that important. You are alone.’ Konrad Curze to Vulkan
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/08/26 14:42:21
Subject: Missing Chaos God
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Willing Inquisitorial Excruciator
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DarthMarko wrote: spacewolved wrote: Ratbarf wrote:According to Lexicanum the Eldar Gods are Warp Beings, so yeah, they would seem to be Chaos Gods. However, I do seem to recall there once being many more minor Chaos Gods than only the big four there are today.
I believe for a short while in the late 80's GW had a 5th chaos god named Balrog that ruled them all. Until the Tolkien family told them to cease a desist.
Really?
No.
Edit: to answer the OP's question, the four Chaos powers are based on the four classical humours; love wasn't one of them.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/08/26 15:45:32
Subject: Missing Chaos God
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Mutating Changebringer
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DarthMarko wrote: spacewolved wrote: Ratbarf wrote:According to Lexicanum the Eldar Gods are Warp Beings, so yeah, they would seem to be Chaos Gods. However, I do seem to recall there once being many more minor Chaos Gods than only the big four there are today.
I believe for a short while in the late 80's GW had a 5th chaos god named Balrog that ruled them all. Until the Tolkien family told them to cease a desist.
Really?
No. Balrog was an old name for the Bloodthirster. Even Heroquest had a Bloodthirster named Balrog.
I think he meant to say "Malal" the 5th god who worked against the other gods. No need for a 5th god when everything revolves around 4.
4 Chaos Gods, 4 C'Tan, 2 Ork Gods (but they encompass 4 aspects, cunning and brutal, brutal and cunning) 4 Tau Castes (then came Etherials)... ect.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/08/26 20:39:46
Subject: Missing Chaos God
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Nurgle Predator Driver with an Infestation
Dover
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What does the emotion of hatred feed into? That hasnt been mentioned yet.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/08/26 23:14:19
Subject: Missing Chaos God
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Pyro Pilot of a Triach Stalker
Somewhere over the rainbow, way up high
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Hatred....Khorne...easy
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