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My friends and I are having a friendly tournament in two weeks and I was looking for some input on my list as I havent played 40k since 6th edition came out. The general idea is to park the leman russ behind the aegis line with the long fangs and the veterans to man the quad. You have the rune priest there to cast prescience on the long fangs and be a general gun line. The second list has two drop pods with combi melta and one with combi plasma to come in and take out that big nasty termy squad first turn or that land raider or other troublesome unit depending on the situation... What do you guys think between the two marine lists? Im set on the fortifications and allies...


Rune Priest-Divination/LL-Jaws
Rune Priest-Divination/LL-Tempest

10 Grey Hunters plasma x2 and wolf banner
10 Grey Hunters plasma x2 and wolf banner
10 Grey Hunters melta x2 and wolf banner

5 Long Fang
-3xML -1xLascannon
5 Long Fang
-3xML -1xLascannon


Or I was thinking of doing

Rune Priest-TDA

10 Grey Hunters plasma x2 and wolf banner+MoW
10 Grey Hunters plasma x2 and wolf banner+MoW

5 Wolf Guard-5 Combi Melta Drop Pod
5 Wolf Guard-5 Combi Plasma Drop Pod

Land Speeder MM

5 Long Fang
-4xML

Fortification
Aegis Defence Line
-Quad

Allies
CCS
Marbo
10 Veterans
Heavy Support
Leman Russ Executioner
-Plasma Cannon Sponsons
-Camo Netting

I'm no expert on wolves, but I like this list. It does lack manoeuvrability though. It looks decent, and even has some (albeit not a lot) anti-flier which wolves normally lack.

The exterminator I feel doesn't add a lot. Executioner might be better for ranged AP2 or maybe a Vendetta for even better anti-flier and anti-tank.

Biomancy on the PP isn't great, Telepathy is normally used (I think someone should probably clarify this).

Thats my bad I actually paid for the points for Executioner just put the wrong name on there. I believe the leman russ was part of the space wolves book at one point or another...
Executioner with 3 plasma cannon shots and 9 heavy bolter shots a turn is a pretty nice fire base with AV 14 and a 3+ cover...

yeh this is similar to my list i like my executioners having 3+ covers but why are the guard in there?
i don't see there big roll in this that's all sorry to bug you :(


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tedbpb wrote:
Thats my bad I actually paid for the points for Executioner just put the wrong name on there. I believe the leman russ was part of the space wolves book at one point or another...
Executioner with 3 plasma cannon shots and 9 heavy bolter shots a turn is a pretty nice fire base with AV 14 and a 3+ cover...

why not take side sponsor plasma cannons for 2 extra shots?
but 2 over heat roles as well :(

I need to take guard to get the executioner. The veterans run the quad cannon and are another scoring unit and the PP is another psyker.

Im just not sure where to get the extra 20 points for it without losing something. If i take out a grey hunter i lose my free special weapon I cant lose another of the guard stuff since its all barebones...

As far as psyker abilites go do the rune priests get 2 powers but can only cast one per turn like they had taken space wolf powers or do they only get one?

I would maybe change the Primaris psyker with a company command squad, with plasma and possibly a vox caster so you could let your vets go to ground and then they can stand back up with orders making them more survivable if they are just going to sit behind the defence line.

I would also maybe try give the vets some special weapons

Seems like a bit of a waster to stick such exepensive special weapons on just guardsmen...

Would it be worthwhile to take the command squad just for that instead of a psyker? I feel like the psyker is more useful in a general role...

Also wondering if it would just be better to scrap the whole guard and go all wolf?

I'd say keep the guard but throw some plasma on your puppies.

My pal has SW/Guard and it just hurts.. Bad.

My problem is a lack of heavy vehicle killers in the list if I take out the melta...

Shouldn't you inform which psychic powers your rune priest's have? As the swap for the different Disciples is done just before deployment.

A CCS is more way more useful and about the same points cost as the psyker. I don't know where to find the points, but Executioners are awesome with plasma sponsons. Maybe a barebones CCS and use the 20pt difference between the CCS and psyker?

Not sure what your asking there llama I said I was taking divination and not sure what to take for the psyker... That said ghastli has a great idea which I'm happy to try... I just wonder though is there any way to mitigate the possibity of glancing myself to death?

I said, psychic power choices are a part of your wargear. You have to choose power, even if you're going to change for divination, as the power listed on those cards are not wargear, like other psychic powers.

Ah so your saying I must pick powers even though I know I'm going to swap out for them? Humm seems kind of pointless but I guess it's a tournent thing?

Nope, it's a general rule. As a Rune Piest MUST take two powers. I think it's stated like that in codex itself. And Wolves can't have two of the same combinations.
This also gives you the opportunity to use variables if you wish.

Humm well maybe could end up with jaws and prescience and living lightning and presence on the other... Or is there maybe some other better combo?

tedbpb wrote:
Humm well maybe could end up with jaws and prescience and living lightning and presence on the other... Or is there maybe some other better combo?

As I understand, you have to replace both powers or neither one.
Most wolf players I've heard of prefer LL + JOTWW and LL + MH

1st issue, you need to put something on one of your rune priests. That's 5 points you need to spend.
You have to give them different wargear and different powers. Take jotww and ll on one and put either murderous hurricane and one of the previous two on the second priest.
You can still load up on the BRB powers, you just have to do your list out right first.

Secondly, there is no combat units in this army. There are 2 power weapons on characters not fit for combat. If you want to make a stab at cc with GH you need to put in MOTW.
Melta is only good if you build units to get up in the enemies face, with your build plasma is probably a better choice. You can keep at 24-12 inches and will probably do more damage to all but the heaviest armour


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Humm well maybe could end up with jaws and prescience and living lightning and presence on the other... Or is there maybe some other better combo?

You cannot do that, you have to choose brb or your codex powers not half of one and the other.

1 give one dude a bolter for 0 points.

2 yeah well it's a gun line army the people I'm going to be fighting in cc are either pushovers or I don't want to be in close combat with. That said where would you get the pts?

3. Gotcha guy before ya nailed it.

Can't give a TDA priest a bolter, so back to the 5 point minimum spend. That's either a combi-melta or melta bomb.

I'd drop marbo, he's a one trick pony and will be out on his own if you're going to be playing a gun line. Other than that I don't know what to do. Either drop the tank for filled out long fangs or maybe another unit of them. If something is scared of heavy bolters it'll really not enjoy 4 frag missiles in the face.

This is a well rounded guard and SW list. It can do a great job of a killer gunline with a blob of guard rolling more dice than god. I'd switch njal out for two priests like your current hq choices.
http://space-wolves-grey.blogspot.ie/2012/09/space-wolves-with-imperial-guard-allies.html

I revised my list I dropped the TDA on the priests and ill give one the bolter it leaves me with 50 points exactly.

Should I...

1. Get Master of Runes for one of the Rune Priests?

2. Get an Iron Priest to try and fix the tank

3. Buy a single thunderwolf

4. ???

Anything, but a single thunderwolf...
Maybe Master of Runes?

oh god no drop the quad gun leaves you with 100 drop another 30 points then take a vendetta for 130 points with 3 twin-linked lascannons!

I'm still thinking you should get a transport or preferably two. Drop pods are great for getting you exactly where you need to be.
Marching power armoured dudes always makes me smile as most armies are packing plenty of AP2 shooting since the PW nerf. It's just asking for them to get blown to pieces before they do anything.

I would also drop the HB sponsons on the executioner, they don't add a hell of a lot to that tank for 20pts. Only some weapon destroyed piece of mind. You could throw on some Multimelta sponsons since your army is lacking anti-av 14 other than your GHs. Or go for ap2 awesomeness with the plasma sponsons. The MMs work pretty well if you have transports as they can provide cover for your advancing LR, while your LR also draws fire that'd be normally directed at them. The PCs are good if you want a mid-range ap2 kill zone, but I feel your GHs already cover that.

If one of your Rune Priests is going to be using prescience on your plasma GHs, you might consider swapping it out for a Wolf priest and take preferred enemy. This'd also save you on a transport as you could throw Saga of the Hunter and outflank plasma. It's happened to me and it's scary good. It'd also mean you don't have to worry about the other RP's wargear!

So if I drop a rune priest and the quad cannon then buy the vendetta that gives me 70 points leftover.

Now I could buy two drop pods that gives me a bit of maneuverability but at the same time that's almost a third of my army tied up there cut off from the rest of my main force. I could also buy an iron priest with two servitors to keep the LR from glancing itself to death...

I could keep the quad cannon and with the remaining 20 points I could put terminator armor on the rune priest(doesn't seem worth it) put plasma cannons on the LR(not bad but I worry firing 5 PC a turn would melt itself in a hurry then again five pie plates of doom a turn ) or I could buy a master of ordinance just for giggles.... Or something else?

5 plasma shots a turn, only 2 of which require "gets hot" (the 3 shots from the main cannon don't have this rule). The vend seems kinda pointless imo. Yeah they're good, but it doesn't bring a lot to your list if you only bring one.

Vendetta has 3 tl Lascannons which I'll happily trade my rune priest for it is an additional anti flyer weapon and will help my list more with the anti av-14. Not seeing too much of a downside here...

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5 plasma shots a turn, only 2 of which require "gets hot" (the 3 shots from the main cannon don't have this rule). The vend seems kinda pointless imo. Yeah they're good, but it doesn't bring a lot to your list if you only bring one.

I think you're thinking of a Leman Russ Executioner?

tedbpb wrote:Vendetta has 3 tl Lascannons which I'll happily trade my rune priest for it is an additional anti flyer weapon and will help my list more with the anti av-14. Not seeing too much of a downside here...

The down side is, most armies bring some AA redundancy. You're just giving those units one thing to shoot at, a single vendetta won't last long. Losing your unit after it fires once will make you realise why it's a poor idea to just bring one.

ghastli wrote:I think you're thinking of a Leman Russ Executioner?

OP put Executioner in the army list. I hate the Exectioner/Exterminator, can't they be named Plasma tank and autocannon tank?