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Starting Blood Angels and i'm fairly new to them, and have only been playing 40k for a month now. Here is my 2k general close-combat style Blood Angels army.

HQ:
Librarian, Shield and Sword Powers, JP = 125pts
Dante - 225


Elites:
Furioso Librarian Dreadnought (blood lance, wings of sanguinius) = 175 pts
2x Sanguinary Priest, JP = 75pts

Troops:
10x Assault Marines, PW, Meltagun x2 = 225
10x Assault Marines, PW, Meltagun x2 = 225
10x Death Company, 2x PF, all with bolters = 220 pts
Sanguinary Guard 4x Angelus Boltgun, 5x Glaive Encarmine, Infernus Pistol = 210 pts

Fast Attack:
Baal Predator, Assault Cannon, Heavy Flamers = 140 pts
Baal Predator, Assault Cannon = 115 points

Heavy Support:
Storm Raven MM, AC, Hurricane Bolters= 230 pts

Total = 2050 - Changes needed?

Remember Death Co. are not scoring units so you don't have too much to hold objectives. Also, 5 man assault squads tend to get ground up pretty fast in most 6th games I've played. I've had way better luck running them 10 deep. Anyway, something to ponder, good luck! Always glad to see more BA players!

Two assault squads put into one, and a tac squad with a rhino, brings it up to 2k, any more ideas?

Meph is good just for your interest I run dante cos he makes sang guard troops and therefore scoring (kind of cancels out the death company issue). also as dante can just drop where he wants i add another IP to the sang guard which will usually mean a dead scary vehicle. telling your friend/opponent that their HQ starts with less stats is also funny

Meph tends to be a more MECH build but he is always strong (will not ID to a power fist). I

consider using the dreadnought with the frag cannon and drop pod (i know that cost $ for stuff all points)

I run attack bikes now because I'd otherwise just have 1 or 2 tanks cruising around at 2000-2500 points

I'd try to sqeeze in a chap/reclus for DC as not much will stand up to DC re-rolling to hit and wound

I'm running SR with decent passengers (or any most of the time) as i don't want to hover (i.e. i put DC in a drop pod)

so what would i drop:

- a dreadnought prob
- maybe the baal although i have one on my shelf that i really like (preds should be at least 2 or 0)
- if tactical are just sitting at home they don't really need a rhino, but if combat squading i'd what to give the serg something to go with flamer
- can't decide myself whether sang priest are still work 85 points

anyway these are just some rambling thoughts of mine

 Tyriion wrote:
Starting Blood Angels and i'm fairly new to them, and have only been playing 40k for a month now. Here is my 2k general close-combat style Blood Angels army.

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HQ:
Mephiston = 250pts - Not sure on Meph' as a HQ yet.

eh... I agree with the above Dante is better with guard, a standard libby is better period (for points).

Elites:
Sanguinary Guard 4x Angelus Boltgun, 5x Glaive Encarmine, Infernus Pistol = 210 pts

see above. Also I've never used them so i cant give much advice... but I would go with 3 sword 2 axe (apparently good).

Furioso Librarian Dreadnought (blood lance, wings of sanguinius) = 175 pts

Ok, I like this though haven't seen it much. Although you dont have that many vehicles for cover... and I think he has a melta (not sure) so not sure if lance is good.

Sanguinary Priest, JP = 85pts

no this is 75.

Troops:
10x Assault Marines, PF, Meltagun x2 = 235

I would take a PW not PF but not bad.

10x Death Company, PF, Infernus pistol = 240 pts

K... i would drop the pistol... and try to fit another PF. Also I would add a pod and have all bolters... you can drop 1-2 if necessary.

Death Company Dreadnought w/ bloodtalons = 125pts

Eh. Not mobile. Add a pod or drop it.

10x Tactical Marines Missile Launcher, Flamer, Rhino = 220pts

Good. Nice, standard, fastish, Im glad people are taking this.

Fast Attack:
Baal Predator = 140 pts

Good... why 140? flamers? and main weapon is...

Heavy Support:
Storm Raven MM, LC, Hurricane Bolters= 230 pts

K... I would take MM AC HB not MM LC Hb, personally its better. more Dakka!!!

Total = 2000pts

Not a bad list overall, just a lack of mobility for your DC units. They just cant keep up with your RAS, who will be unsupported.

what the last post said.

I always have death company and i usually put them in a drop pod with boltguns. That way the drop pod assault and can rapid fire and get 20 shots plus the heavy bolter from the drop pod on the turn the arrive to soften something up. Or do like 7 boltguns 3 power axe.

I have made some changes based on what all of you have said, especially JAMOB's recommendations. I think Dante and a Libby is a better choice than just mephiston. Aswell as some of the changes I have added a Chaplain and removed a DC Dreadnought. Any more suggestions?

If chaplain is going with the death company in the drop pod then you can only have 9 DC and the chaplain. Only 10 fit in the pod. That will free you up a few points too

Also look at divination on the librarian as well and play one game with those. they are pretty good

edit: Just noticed if you can squeeze one more pod in to make it 3 then you can drop pod assault 2 pods in turn one. I love drop pods more than rhinos personally. I might be tempted to put the tactical squad in one as well and drop them and the DC on round one and hope the Libby will come in round 2.

Also be careful what you assault with the Librarian. they only have 2 woulds and can get ripped apart quickly against certain groups.

steve2112 wrote:
If chaplain is going with the death company in the drop pod then you can only have 9 DC and the chaplain. Only 10 fit in the pod. That will free you up a few points too

Also look at divination on the librarian as well and play one game with those. they are pretty good

edit: Just noticed if you can squeeze one more pod in to make it 3 then you can drop pod assault 2 pods in turn one. I love drop pods more than rhinos personally. I might be tempted to put the tactical squad in one as well and drop them and the DC on round one and hope the Libby will come in round 2.

Also be careful what you assault with the Librarian. they only have 2 woulds and can get ripped apart quickly against certain groups.

Probs going to stick with a single pod, putting the tac one in one could be good though and the chaplain will hopefully meet up with the 10 DC's, I kinda wanna keep at 10, as its a round, good number and it means two boxes will make the squad without me having to get rid of one. Like the ideas though.

 Tyriion wrote:
Starting Blood Angels and i'm fairly new to them, and have only been playing 40k for a month now. Here is my 2k general close-combat style Blood Angels army.

Lets take a look

HQ:
Dante = 225 pts

ok, ok. I expect to see some Sang. Guard though, as its really his ability to make them troops that makes him worth it over, say Mephiston, or Tycho, or even a normal Libby. You might want to drop him if you dont take guard...

Librarian, Shield and Sword Powers = 100pts

I like the way you phrased that though I dont like the sword power that much... Its only good w/ epistolary, as you cant use FW afterwords and the only targets its good against are T>4, normally 6+

Elites:

Furioso Librarian Dreadnought (blood lance, wings of sanguinius) = 175 pts

k... I've never used this but have heard it's gotten worse in 6th. Again, no experience.

Sanguinary Priest, JP = 75pts

Love it. I take this in any game > 750

Chaplain = 100pts

Eh... that is all. There is a better use for points.

Troops:
10x Assault Marines, PF, Meltagun x2 = 235

I know this was the popular choice in 5th, but in 6th its better to just go with PW. Im not sure why people ever liked the PF, but they did. You dont need it.

10x Death Company, 2x PF, 8 with bolters, 2 with Bolt pistol, drop pod = 285 pts

K... Why 2 with boly pistol? They are relentless so give them bolters... Also you cant fit the chappie (the only place he could be worth the points) if you have 10.

10x Tactical Marines Missile Launcher, Flamer, Rhino = 220pts

K.

Sanguinary Guard 4x Angelus Boltgun, 5x Glaive Encarmine, Infernus Pistol = 210 pts

And thereby Dante is worth it. lol. Still though I never take them... that doesnt mean they're not good, I just dont happen to have the models

Fast Attack:
Baal Predator, Flamer sponsons, flame storm cannon = 140 pts

No. Give it either AC+HB, FS+HB, or AC+HF. FS+HF is just way too much fire, and its basically a suicide unit. Unless you normally face ridiculous hordes dont do it...

Heavy Support:
Storm Raven MM, LC, Hurricane Bolters= 230 pts - Kinda' wanna go for anti-tank, but i can magnetize to feature Assault cannons aswell

k... but a AC is better then LC in my opinion, and I've heard good things about TML.
Total = 1995

JAMOB wrote:

 Tyriion wrote:
Starting Blood Angels and i'm fairly new to them, and have only been playing 40k for a month now. Here is my 2k general close-combat style Blood Angels army.

Lets take a look

HQ:
Dante = 225 pts

ok, ok. I expect to see some Sang. Guard though, as its really his ability to make them troops that makes him worth it over, say Mephiston, or Tycho, or even a normal Libby. You might want to drop him if you dont take guard...

Librarian, Shield and Sword Powers = 100pts

I like the way you phrased that though I dont like the sword power that much... Its only good w/ epistolary, as you cant use FW afterwords and the only targets its good against are T>4, normally 6+

Elites:

Furioso Librarian Dreadnought (blood lance, wings of sanguinius) = 175 pts

k... I've never used this but have heard it's gotten worse in 6th. Again, no experience.

Sanguinary Priest, JP = 75pts

Love it. I take this in any game > 750

Chaplain = 100pts

Eh... that is all. There is a better use for points.

Troops:
10x Assault Marines, PF, Meltagun x2 = 235

I know this was the popular choice in 5th, but in 6th its better to just go with PW. Im not sure why people ever liked the PF, but they did. You dont need it.

10x Death Company, 2x PF, 8 with bolters, 2 with Bolt pistol, drop pod = 285 pts

K... Why 2 with boly pistol? They are relentless so give them bolters... Also you cant fit the chappie (the only place he could be worth the points) if you have 10.

10x Tactical Marines Missile Launcher, Flamer, Rhino = 220pts

K.

Sanguinary Guard 4x Angelus Boltgun, 5x Glaive Encarmine, Infernus Pistol = 210 pts

And thereby Dante is worth it. lol. Still though I never take them... that doesnt mean they're not good, I just dont happen to have the models

Fast Attack:
Baal Predator, Flamer sponsons, flame storm cannon = 140 pts

No. Give it either AC+HB, FS+HB, or AC+HF. FS+HF is just way too much fire, and its basically a suicide unit. Unless you normally face ridiculous hordes dont do it...

Heavy Support:
Storm Raven MM, LC, Hurricane Bolters= 230 pts - Kinda' wanna go for anti-tank, but i can magnetize to feature Assault cannons aswell

k... but a AC is better then LC in my opinion, and I've heard good things about TML.
Total = 1995

sorry I kinda forgot... It was just fairly different to the first one (at least the HQ) and I didn't scroll down all the way. Meh. I like the second better, and the third the best.
With 115 points, throw in a Baal. Another AC. Thats just my standard... or an AC dread, though I like the baal better.

JAMOB wrote:
sorry I kinda forgot... It was just fairly different to the first one (at least the HQ) and I didn't scroll down all the way. Meh. I like the second better, and the third the best.
With 115 points, throw in a Baal. Another AC. Thats just my standard... or an AC dread, though I like the baal better.

Added AC Baal, any final suggestions guys?

Not really looks good Except... where the hell are you putting your libby? Cuz... you dont have room in transports or anything... looks like he'll just be alone :/

Any Final-Final Suggestions from anyone - Jamob has done enough!

no seriously im curious... where does the libby go? Like... I just want to know.

JAMOB wrote:
no seriously im curious... where does the libby go? Like... I just want to know.

Gave him a Jump pack, he can go along with the Assault marines.

Any more thoughts?

Any ideas?

Come on guys, any input, please?

Personally, I'd switch the Tac Marines for a 2nd ASM squad. Otherwise it looks ok. Not quite the list I would build but you aren't asking me for what list I would build.

 Mordechai wrote:
Personally, I'd switch the Tac Marines for a 2nd ASM squad. Otherwise it looks ok. Not quite the list I would build but you aren't asking me for what list I would build.

I think i'll keep the tac squad, as I have lately got the battleforce, so I should find some use for them. Got any thoughts on how to make it a bit more competitive, or is that ok?

Yeah replace the Tac Marines with another ASM squad. Your Rhino is a big squishy red target with no real way to return fire. If you're inside it, I'll make a point to pop it to kill as many Tac Marines as I can. Your Tac Marines are slow and will be left behind by the rest of your army. They are out of place in this list and don't really lend anything to it.

Personally I think Dante is a point sink. I see no real reason to use him in anything under 3000 same as Astorath the Grim. The Librarian should work just fine. The Sang Guard are the same points Elites as they are Troops and you're only taking 1 of them. The Furioso Librarian is great in theory but usually ends up a heap in the middle of the field. The regular Furioso with Blood Talons would be a much better choice in my opinion and not as expensive.

 Mordechai wrote:
Yeah replace the Tac Marines with another ASM squad. Your Rhino is a big squishy red target with no real way to return fire. If you're inside it, I'll make a point to pop it to kill as many Tac Marines as I can. Your Tac Marines are slow and will be left behind by the rest of your army. They are out of place in this list and don't really lend anything to it.

Personally I think Dante is a point sink. I see no real reason to use him in anything under 3000 same as Astorath the Grim. The Librarian should work just fine. The Sang Guard are the same points Elites as they are Troops and you're only taking 1 of them. The Furioso Librarian is great in theory but usually ends up a heap in the middle of the field. The regular Furioso with Blood Talons would be a much better choice in my opinion and not as expensive.

I made your changes, but added a Furioso rather than swap it for the librarian furioso. However, this leaves me with 105 points spare suggestions guys?

105 points to spend, Ideas?

I actually like your first list best! If you do go with it... use the extra points for another Sanguinary Priest, and keep both with the Assault Squads. That should keep those valuable Troops alive long enough to hold objectives if supported when necessary.

 Super Ready wrote:
I actually like your first list best! If you do go with it... use the extra points for another Sanguinary Priest, and keep both with the Assault Squads. That should keep those valuable Troops alive long enough to hold objectives if supported when necessary.

Ive made it look a little more like my original, do you or any others want to make any suggestions?

Need some more thoughts!

I guess its solid then?

Is the posted list your final list?

Martel732 wrote:
Is the posted list your final list?

Not final, but sort of. Its what ive come up with so far, but it needs some changes.