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Hi, as someone just returning to The Hobby, and interested in making a CSM army, this is highly of interest to me.

There aren't many 6th ed articles on Dakka. Previously, I was reading 1d4chan...which isn't a serious source.

I look forward to seeing more content and feedback.

 Kommissar Waaaghrick wrote:
Hi, as someone just returning to The Hobby, and interested in making a CSM army, this is highly of interest to me.

There aren't many 6th ed articles on Dakka. Previously, I was reading 1d4chan...which isn't a serious source.

I look forward to seeing more content and feedback.

I feel like their somewhat serious. they're just a bit immature, but I've seen alot of places that share their opinions.

Thanks for the interest guys, I'll hopefully be adding some more tonight.

Hey, just read the article, pretty accurate with the Special characters, and a good read. I have just a few suggestions on what you could analyze next:

Chaos lord (i see most players w/ them, and i run one as well)
Heldrake (should sinking 70 dollars into this thing be worth it?)
Elite choices (Chaos have many choices when it comes to elites)

I've been playing Chaos for about six months now and I'm finally ready to start making them more competitive. I'll be keeping a close eye on this. Thanks!

I like the article and hope you will continue. Thanks for sharing.

Added Chaos Lords, Sorcerors and Daemon Princes. Thanks for the support so far!

HQs finished with the Dark Apostle and Warpsmith added!

 wolfmerc wrote:
Hey, just read the article, pretty accurate with the Special characters, and a good read. I have just a few suggestions on what you could analyze next:

Chaos lord (i see most players w/ them, and i run one as well)
Heldrake (should sinking 70 dollars into this thing be worth it?)
Elite choices (Chaos have many choices when it comes to elites)

Chaos Lords are done, and I'm planning to work through the codex in the order of the army list, so Elites will be next and the Heldrake will be a bit later on, but in the short run, yes it's downright incredible.

Have begun the Elites section with Possessed, Chosen and Mutilators. Think you'll be surprised at the Mutilator entry.

I am so thankful for this article!

Hi, been following this as I've been making a list.

Really helpful, I'd like to give positive feedback.

I really liked the Tzeentch Daemon Prince part. Here's why.

For a guy like me, returning to The Hobby, it's surprising.

My instinct was just to make a Khorne Daemon Prince.

But I neglected Overwatch, small arms fire on the charge.

From the game I played, Overwatch dakka is a killer.

So it made perfect sense, but I'd never think of it.

Part on Mutilators was an interesting take.

I just look forward to seeing more of this.

It's not my only source, but I like reading a total analysis.

Thanks, Elites are now finished, but Cult Troops I'll be analysing from a Troops FOC viewpoint rather than Elites, keeps the sections balanced in terms of content.

Great stuff. Just what I need to try and make a competitive list

Dont forget the nurgle biker lord with fist and claw

Nice article.

Thanks. Troops are now finished, will be moving onto Fast Attack soon.

Nice work man, a surprisingly forgiving look at berzerkers haha

I'm really enjoying your article. Keep it up.

Did you mean to give Nurgle's icon semi-competitive instead of competitive? Seems like it give what you wrote.

Distortionist wrote:
Did you mean to give Nurgle's icon semi-competitive instead of competitive? Seems like it give what you wrote.

Assuming you're talking about standard CSM. Well if you want cheap Plague Marine knockoffs, I think it's good for 3ppm.

Fast Attack finished!

Nice man keep it goin



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with the Helldrake one of its most poswerful applications is flying over transports, popping them with vector strike. Then youve got a nice bunhced up unit to baleflamerin the shooting phase. absolutely brutal against armies with low AV transports (orks, DE)

Are you going to do Heavy Support? I think there is a good debate about what units are best from that section.

Also I think you are too hard on cultists, 50 point scoring units are always highly competative if you build your list knowing their only purpose is to walk on to an objective hopfully late in the game. I run 4-5 minimum squads usually in reserve . I hide them out of sight or in terrain always gtg, and basically hope my opponet spends time trying to kill tyhem. Everytime an opponet takes time going after my cultists it repesents bad target priority on his part IMO because it take way more than 50 points to kill them. Zombies are better but you have to pay the typus tax which is ok but doesn't fit in a MTO type list.

Pony_law wrote:
Are you going to do Heavy Support? I think there is a good debate about what units are best from that section.

All in due time.

Also I think you are too hard on cultists, 50 point scoring units are always highly competative if you build your list knowing their only purpose is to walk on to an objective hopfully late in the game. I run 4-55 minimum squads usually in reserve . I hide them out of sight or in terrain always gtg, and basically hope my opponet spends time trying to kill tyhem. Everytime an opponet takes time going after my cultists it repesents bad target priority on his part IMO because it take way more than 50 points to kill them. Zombies are better but you have to pay the typus tax which is ok but doesn't fit in a MTO type list.

Don't know how you're getting 55-man units but ok, here's my counter-argument

1. Even a few casualties is going to force Ld checks, which Cultists aren't great at.
2. 4x 35 man squads is 600 points. For that I could buy 3x Infantry Platoons of 3 squads each with upgrades, do the same role but better, which have more models (165 compared to 140), and that's even before you pay extra to give the Cultists Autoguns which drives up the price even more by about 150pts.
3. Yes, Typhus is expensive but his damage output is massive when used correctly.
4. I don't get how Cultists fit into MTO. Yes there's a large number of bodies but they're easy to send running, with the only real way to ensure good Leadership is via a Dark Apostle, which is another 105 points down the drain and an HQ slot gone.

My main point is that while Cultists are generally ok, Imperial Guard allies just do everything better, although I do mention that if you're not taking allies, then they're a suitable substitute.


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chuxfm wrote:
Nice man keep it goin



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with the Helldrake one of its most poswerful applications is flying over transports, popping them with vector strike. Then youve got a nice bunhced up unit to baleflamerin the shooting phase. absolutely brutal against armies with low AV transports (orks, DE)

That's an excellent point, I'll be sure to add it.

@Valkyrie, That was a typo where i accidently double tapped the 5 key. I was trying to say 4-5 minimum sized squads.

On leadership, if you place the sargent correctly you are rolling on an 8 which you will pass most of the time. also cultists should be kept out of LOS as much as possible untill you make that move to the objective. With the new Tau codex cultists took a hit because of the really good ignore cover no LOS needed SMS.

Cultist fit into Massive threat overload because for 250 points you get 50 wounds spread accross 5 scoring units. This gives you the points to field 3 Maulerfiends, 2 Daemon Princes (if you want I rock 1 DP and 1 Decked out Lord), multiple heldrakes, spawn. allies ect. those 250 points will take the attention of much more than 250 points of your opponent to kill, and while they are trying to do that all of your dangerous things are not getting shot at or dealt with. Basically my list gives an opponet 1 maybe 2 turns to cripple my army before it's uppon them. Most armies don't have the tools to deal with 6 deadly pretty survivable threats (and of course helldrakes are lurking as well) in only 1 to 2 turns and kind of bad/hot dice early or target prioirt mistakes basically will cost them the game.

I agree with you Typhus is good, my point was simply that he is slow for MTO lists (Which I happen to believe is Chaos Marines best build)

Contrary to popular belief, the Hades autocannon on a heldrake is pretty good. S 8 with a 36" range with 4 shots means minced or exploding flyers, and all but the vendetta are going to cry when hit by that thing. If by chance a ally psyker was in prescience range to a Hades auto-drake, prescience will definitely improve the decent killiness on it.

Simply put, if you are not trying to burninate ground units, like say poping side armor on transports/tanks or shooting at flyers, the autocannon is your choice.

I would love to see a Nurgle 2000 point army list, using Typhus and zombies.

 ace101 wrote:
Contrary to popular belief, the Hades autocannon on a heldrake is pretty good. S 8 with a 36" range with 4 shots means minced or exploding flyers, and all but the vendetta are going to cry when hit by that thing. If by chance a ally psyker was in prescience range to a Hades auto-drake, prescience will definitely improve the decent killiness on it.

Simply put, if you are not trying to burninate ground units, like say poping side armor on transports/tanks or shooting at flyers, the autocannon is your choice.

Oh yeah, the Autocannon's hardly a bad choice, but the Baleflamer is better in pretty much every occasion apart from if you're going up against Deathwing, Loganwing, Draigowing, basically any TEQ force. Nevertheless though I'll be sure to add it to the article.

Ok, I've finished Fast Attack, but I can't fit any more into the article due to size constraints, so I'll be starting a second part containing Heavy Support, Armoury and Playstyles/Army Lists.


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