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Hey,

I've been playing WFHB and 40k for about 2 years, and I'm thinking of getting into Warmahordes. I've been reading about it and watching some batreps, and I was wondering how big the hobby side of the game is. In the batreps I've seen, there doesn't seem to be a whole lot of diversity in paint schemes. Is this just a coincidence, or would it be really frowned upon if I painted a bunch of Skorne in Scottish tartan or something?

Perfectly allowed, but most people just pain them how they are in the book

The conversion rules are a bit finicky, but just like 40k if someone's being a dick about it, surprise they are a dick. Counts-as wacky armies are pretty strictly forbidden though (in a tourney at least)

The studio paint schemes are a guideline not a hard fast rule. You can paint your models however you'd like. I currently run Legion in a red and white scheme.

ComTrav wrote:
Hey,

I've been playing WFHB and 40k for about 2 years, and I'm thinking of getting into Warmahordes. I've been reading about it and watching some batreps, and I was wondering how big the hobby side of the game is. In the batreps I've seen, there doesn't seem to be a whole lot of diversity in paint schemes. Is this just a coincidence, or would it be really frowned upon if I painted a bunch of Skorne in Scottish tartan or something?

Conversion rules are a bit more strict due to the nature of the game, so if you plan on participating in tournaments know that the TO could disqualify parts of your army if they don't meet the requirements.

The biggest thing is.

Conversions, if a model has a sword base, he needs to have a sword. People need to be able to tell exactly what a model is by glancing at it.


Paint scheme's. Any color you want is fine, You can Paint Cygnar Red.. Khador Blue.. or Pink.. w/e you want.

There are many good Conversions and paint schemes out there, they just don't seem to show up on Dakka.



Anyone have a link to the Khador models Converted to look like Cygnar ?

I consistantly paint my models completely different or opposite of the official paint schemes.

Some people like to follow official colours, some like to make up their own.

My experience so far is: There will never be any problem regarding colours in Warmahordes.

ComTrav wrote:
Hey,

I've been playing WFHB and 40k for about 2 years, and I'm thinking of getting into Warmahordes. I've been reading about it and watching some batreps, and I was wondering how big the hobby side of the game is. In the batreps I've seen, there doesn't seem to be a whole lot of diversity in paint schemes. Is this just a coincidence, or would it be really frowned upon if I painted a bunch of Skorne in Scottish tartan or something?

You do not have to follow the paint schemes that the studio puts out on their models and that (I do a blue-and-red Protectorate of Menoth scheme), but that is up to your prerogative. Conversions on the other hand are a bit more strict compared to the Warhammers, since Warmachine/ Hordes does not really have the choice to have different load-outs than what is stated they have, but they have a stated rule on what the conversion has to be for Tournament play.

Just to add, it's Warmachine or Hordes. Both are completely different games that are compatible with each other.

 Tamwulf wrote:
Just to add, it's Warmachine or Hordes. Both are completely different games that are compatible with each other.

Which is very commonly referred to as Warmahordes instead of Warmachine and Hordes.

Not sure the point of your reply.....

 Tamwulf wrote:
Just to add, it's Warmachine or Hordes. Both are completely different games that are compatible with each other.

They are completely different games that are almost exactly alike, use 90%+ of the same rules and are made to be played against each other. And pretty much whenever someone is talking about Warmachine the hordes armies are included automatically.

So yeah, they are the same game.

Thanks for the answers, everyone!

I enjoy doing some conversions/kitbashing, but I understand the need to be WYSIWYG.

ComTrav wrote:
Thanks for the answers, everyone!

I enjoy doing some conversions/kitbashing, but I understand the need to be WYSIWYG.

no problem then

my menoth:

ComTrav wrote:
Thanks for the answers, everyone!

I enjoy doing some conversions/kitbashing, but I understand the need to be WYSIWYG.

It's an interesting thing. I've seen some pretty outlandish conversions allowed even in larger/more official tournament settings. I have a suspicion that their conversion rules are more to stop completely bizarre/home-made armies. However, if you do like more 'dramatic' conversions, if you go to a more official tournament, or one run by people you don't play with on a regular basis, you'll probably want to bring along a 'normal' version of said model.

If you spend any time on the PP forums (specifically, the painting and modeling subforum) you'll see a LOT of different paint schemes for armies. Looking through the painting choices that others have made that are outside the box is one of my favorite reasons to visit their forums.

As others have said, you can go wild with your paint scheme, they don't really have any standard rules about it.

As for conversions, due to the gameplay first nature of warmahordes, there are stricter guidelines than in 40k. As a general rule of thumb, a conversion is acceptable if you can take a player who knows the faction well, show them the model, and have them correctly identify it within 5 to 10 seconds. There are more formal conversion rules but they end with a caveat that it is ultimately at the TO's discretion to allow or disallow a model.

 Spyder68 wrote:
The biggest thing is.

Conversions, if a model has a sword base, he needs to have a sword. People need to be able to tell exactly what a model is by glancing at it.


Paint scheme's. Any color you want is fine, You can Paint Cygnar Red.. Khador Blue.. or Pink.. w/e you want.

There are many good Conversions and paint schemes out there, they just don't seem to show up on Dakka.



Anyone have a link to the Khador models Converted to look like Cygnar ?

The Khador painted/converted to look like Cygnar is called Stormhammer: The Assault on Sul. Well worth a look for anyone.

A player at my local store has some absolutely jaw dropping conversions. The best is probably eHaley made from the pHaley model (the good one, not the crappy one) with a robotic arm and GS'd robes holding her up off her base as she lunges. The robs make it so as you are never going to confuse it with pHaley (the robotic arm does that too) and it is an amazing model.

Conversions are more difficult to execute on PP models. Typically the only spare parts you have (jack weapons) are the very ones you shouldn't use. The models themselves are made from fewer and larger pieces so there is less opportunity for the common exchange of parts you might be used to from 40k/fantasy. This isn't to say conversions can't be done, simply that they require a greater commitment.

The good news is that you will rarely have more than two of anything so making models distinct is far less a concern. Even units have several different designs within a faction. Sometimes they are the normal bland weapon swaps but those are migrating to plastics which are easier to re-pose.

I have several conversions myself and enjoy having a few personalized pieces in my army. Not every unit needs to be a special snowflake though, Most of the stock models are very cool.

The conversion thing is largely a matter of whether or not you are going to play in tournaments and what the TO is feeling like that day. I have an entire proxy army where my gun mages and infantry are made from old Rackham Confrontation Alahan miniatures. Even my Jacks are technically not warmachine miniatures-- they're from the Grind game with converted weapons. On the PP Forums someone used the same Alahan miniatures for the Mercenary Gunmages:

(not mine)

That looks pretty awesome.

i just started myself, and far as i can tell as long as it is clearly what you are using it as, its legal. Adding stuff to a model i dont see a problem with, swapping things around can be an issue.

Paintschemes is just preferences. Im painting my trollbloods, which are normally blue with silver armor, to be Ogre-colored with green armor. I'd give a pic of my Doomshaper i just finished but getting good light in dorms isnt easy and im at work during the daylight so i dont have one yet.

Related hobby question:

Since I've played GW games, I have a pile of Citadel paints already.

Will these work basically fine for PP models, or is it worth it to buy a whole other set of paints?

Will using GW products on a PP product cause the universe to implode, like combining matter with anti-matter?

ComTrav wrote:
Related hobby question:

Since I've played GW games, I have a pile of Citadel paints already.

Will these work basically fine for PP models, or is it worth it to buy a whole other set of paints?

Will using GW products on a PP product cause the universe to implode, like combining matter with anti-matter?

just make sure you wash the models first, there are no injection molded PP models, it's all resin, so standard forgeworld policies when it comes to washing, sanding, ect. apply

 Grundz wrote:

ComTrav wrote:
Related hobby question:

Since I've played GW games, I have a pile of Citadel paints already.

Will these work basically fine for PP models, or is it worth it to buy a whole other set of paints?

Will using GW products on a PP product cause the universe to implode, like combining matter with anti-matter?

just make sure you wash the models first, there are no injection molded PP models, it's all resin, so standard forgeworld policies when it comes to washing, sanding, ect. apply

No they're not. The plastics are injection molded PVC. While washing them is still a good idea (even plastic can have mold release sticking to it), there's no need for a ventilator to work with Privateer plastics.

Mind you, there are resin models in the Privateer line: The colossals, battle engines, and a few hybrid sculpts like the Drakhun and Bronzeback Titan. Those still need appropriate safety measures if you're going to be sanding or drilling into them.

ComTrav wrote:
Related hobby question:

Since I've played GW games, I have a pile of Citadel paints already.

Will these work basically fine for PP models, or is it worth it to buy a whole other set of paints?

Will using GW products on a PP product cause the universe to implode, like combining matter with anti-matter?

Dont blame us if you grow a second, or third head!

But yeah, citadel paints, are fine for painting PP stuff... i suppose...

I'll be honest with you. I got annoyed with GW a long while ago. Paints included. Like you, i have a load of old Gee Dub paints. and i used them mainly to paint my PP stuff. and then, through a variety of reasons, i got more and more fed up with GW. and that extended to their paints as well. Mainly because they canned gryphonne sephia, and the replacement was glossy trash. In the end, i bit the bullet and shelled out for the whole range of PP paints, inks and washes. Ill be honest. it was a revelation. PP paints are, IMO, so much nicer and easier to use than GW ones. With GW, you need multiple watered down layers for the best effects. PP ones have better coverage and only need the one, or two layers, tops. quality is great and you actually get a good dollop of paint in your jar. Now, moving on from that, what sold me on PP paints was their washes. their armour wash is sublime!

Yeah, entirely personal POV, but im not going back to GW for paints. YMMV of course.

Deadnight wrote:

ComTrav wrote:
Related hobby question:

Since I've played GW games, I have a pile of Citadel paints already.

Will these work basically fine for PP models, or is it worth it to buy a whole other set of paints?

Will using GW products on a PP product cause the universe to implode, like combining matter with anti-matter?

Dont blame us if you grow a second, or third head!

But yeah, citadel paints, are fine for painting PP stuff... i suppose...

I'll be honest with you. I got annoyed with GW a long while ago. Paints included. Like you, i have a load of old Gee Dub paints. and i used them mainly to paint my PP stuff. and then, through a variety of reasons, i got more and more fed up with GW. and that extended to their paints as well. Mainly because they canned gryphonne sephia, and the replacement was glossy trash. In the end, i bit the bullet and shelled out for the whole range of PP paints, inks and washes. Ill be honest. it was a revelation. PP paints are, IMO, so much nicer and easier to use than GW ones. With GW, you need multiple watered down layers for the best effects. PP ones have better coverage and only need the one, or two layers, tops. quality is great and you actually get a good dollop of paint in your jar. Now, moving on from that, what sold me on PP paints was their washes. their armour wash is sublime!

Yeah, entirely personal POV, but im not going back to GW for paints. YMMV of course.

Yeah, and how it is 3.50 USD for a pot, but it has less than the P3 Formula pots from how I see it. Although I do love the washes and terrain one (although that dries up quickly) the Citadel brand has, but the rest is complete crap.

Paint is paint, use what you have and what you like. Heck I use P3, Vallejo (model air, game color, model color), Reaper, and a select few if the older GW. It all works well. However I have found that the P3 coverage on the whites, tans, and off whites is by far the best I've ever used.

On paints I use reaper, i don't think my minis care much.

On colour , knock yourself out, my skorne force which I've started collecting is going to have green skin as i view skorne as the orcs of the Iron Kingdoms, not them nancy bashed by everyone Trollkin.

 Gentleman_Jellyfish wrote:

ComTrav wrote:
Hey,

I've been playing WFHB and 40k for about 2 years, and I'm thinking of getting into Warmahordes. I've been reading about it and watching some batreps, and I was wondering how big the hobby side of the game is. In the batreps I've seen, there doesn't seem to be a whole lot of diversity in paint schemes. Is this just a coincidence, or would it be really frowned upon if I painted a bunch of Skorne in Scottish tartan or something?

Conversion rules are a bit more strict due to the nature of the game, so if you plan on participating in tournaments know that the TO could disqualify parts of your army if they don't meet the requirements.

That is the one thing I still dont understand about the game, From what i have read very few units can change weapon if at all, So why does it matter if the Warpwolf stalker has an Axe and not a sword, you just have to show them it is a stalker, should it not be fine?

Because a warpwolf with an axe is typically Ghetorix.