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There are plenty of rules that affect 'weapons.' (The Eldar ability to disarm, there are some Codex entries that state that 'you must give up a weapon to get X,' etc.)

If a model is equipped with grenades (every time I've seen it come up, the model had krak grenades, but any grenade which has a weapon profile would work, I suppose) do they count as a weapon?

They are listed under the Weapon section of the core rulebook, just under their own heading (other than ranged or melee) because of the special way they are used, but everything I can find points to the fact that grenades do count as weapons and can therefore be traded for other pieces of equipment that require you to give up any one weapon.

Can an Eldar with that funky disarm power (say, Khaine?) disarm you of them?

Yes, as currently they are weapons

 Jimsolo wrote:
Can an Eldar with that funky disarm power (say, Khaine?) disarm you of them?

Khaine can disarm people?!?! Oh boy.

 legolooney wrote:

 Jimsolo wrote:
Can an Eldar with that funky disarm power (say, Khaine?) disarm you of them?

Khaine can disarm people?!?! Oh boy.

I assume he means Khaine, Avatar of.

Or, if I bought the Burning Brand for a Warpsmith, could I replace his Krak grenades?

Yes, technically - theyre a weapon

no nosferatu is wrong, they are still wargear

they have a special use not anything else they cannot be replaced with another weapon as just about every codex i have read states replace x with y and can replace z with a

Chris Lysander wrote:
no nosferatu is wrong, they are still wargear

they have a special use not anything else they cannot be replaced with another weapon as just about every codex i have read states replace x with y and can replace z with a

So you have, as a matter of following the tenets of this forum, provided a rules quote to back up your assertion?

Because page 61, under the WEAPONS section, states otherwise. Oh, and they (often) have a WEapon profile. So, care to back up your stance with any rules?

The newer codexes state you can swap a WEAPON for "x" - so find a weapon (grenades technically count) and swap it.

Done.

If that's the case, then do grenades count as having a second weapon when in cc? Melee weapon plus krak grenade gives +1 attack? That doesn't sound right.

In addition, they aren't regular weapons, despite the weapon profile. Only one person can use a grenade at a time; for every other model in the unit, the grenade remains wargear, not a weapon with a profile. They only seem to become a weapon under specific, limited circumstances.

 Mastiff wrote:
If that's the case, then do grenades count as having a second weapon when in cc? Melee weapon plus krak grenade gives +1 attack? That doesn't sound right.

In addition, they aren't regular weapons, despite the weapon profile. Only one person can use a grenade at a time; for every other model in the unit, the grenade remains wargear, not a weapon with a profile. They only seem to become a weapon under specific, limited circumstances.

Grenades don't have the melee type. They are weapons and they have restrictions but that doesnt' take away from them being weapons.

Ah, you are correct sir. I just tend to associate grenades with the melee phase.

Cheers

 liturgies of blood wrote:

 Mastiff wrote:
If that's the case, then do grenades count as having a second weapon when in cc? Melee weapon plus krak grenade gives +1 attack? That doesn't sound right.

In addition, they aren't regular weapons, despite the weapon profile. Only one person can use a grenade at a time; for every other model in the unit, the grenade remains wargear, not a weapon with a profile. They only seem to become a weapon under specific, limited circumstances.

Grenades don't have the melee type. They are weapons and they have restrictions but that doesnt' take away from them being weapons.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the rulebook say that a model can use them as a Melee weapon?

Not exactly. The BRB says that a model with a grenade can choose to make a single attack with it instead of doing its normal close combat attacks. They aren't ever stated as being a "melee" weapon anywhere in the rules. Which can be a very important distinction for some things...

Ah, found it - page 61:
A model can use such a grenade as a Melee weapon, but can only ever make one attack...

Yes, it says you can use Grenades as a melee weapon against a Vehicle or MC.

Even then none of the Grenades have the Melee type.

Krak and Plasma Grenades are type -
Meltabombs are Type Armourbane, Unwieldy (Neither of which is a type).
and Haywire Grenades are Type Haywire (Which is not a Type either).

DR, are grenades a single-handed weapon?

It doesn't matter how many hands it is.

Page 24, Bonus Attacks -
Engaged models with two single-handed weapons get +1 Attack.

Page 50, Weapon Profiles, Range -
If the weapon's range contains a '-' is is a Melee weapon (unless otherwise stated).

Page 61, Grenades, Vehicles and Monstrous Creatures -
A model can use such a grenade as a Melee weapon, but can only ever make one attack.

Page 62, Various Grenades -
Range : '-'

Therefore, Grenades are melee weapons, they are not specialist, nor are they two-handed and thus grant a bonus attack.

Well I would say the 3rd rule means you don't get a bonus attack, as if you are using it as a melee weapon then it only ever makes one attack.

 Happyjew wrote:
Ah, found it - page 61:
A model can use such a grenade as a Melee weapon, but can only ever make one attack...

I stand corrected!

 shamikebab wrote:
Well I would say the 3rd rule means you don't get a bonus attack, as if you are using it as a melee weapon then it only ever makes one attack.

Except you are not using it. The rules never say you have to use two melee weapons, only that you have two single-handed weapons (and melee weapons are only used for melee, as ranged weapons are only used for shooting).

When attacking a MC or vehicle you should get the +1 attack bonus for two melee weapons but only when attacking with the other weapon and not attacking with the grenade.

Against everything else you would not.

"Some grenades can be used against vehicles and/or Monstrous Creatures" (62)

DR, you never answered my question from earlier - is a grenade a single-handed weapon? If so you still get the bonus attack as per page 24.

 Happyjew wrote:
DR, you never answered my question from earlier - is a grenade a single-handed weapon? If so you still get the bonus attack as per page 24.

They are one handed because the default is one handed, unless a weapon has the Two handed rule it is a one handed weapon. That does not matter as grenades are only allowed to be used against MC's or vehicles.

Grenades do not have the melee type so they are not Melee weapons (Unless attacking MC's or Vehicles, as there is a special provision allowing them to be melee weapons in that instance).

I think pg 51 clears this up.

More than one weapon:
if a model has 2 or more melee weapons he gains +1 attack.

If we look at the grande types, they are not listed as melee weapons.

Please cite where you must be armed with two single-handed melee weapons to gain the bonus attack. Per page 24, you just need two single-handed weapons. I have a power sword and a krak grenade. How many single-handed weapons do I have?

 Happyjew wrote:
Please cite where you must be armed with two single-handed melee weapons to gain the bonus attack. Per page 24, you just need two single-handed weapons. I have a power sword and a krak grenade. How many single-handed weapons do I have?

It is on Page 51, More than one weapon section.

Editing again:
All melee grenades specify that they only work against MC's and Vehicles

Krak Grenades say "'When they are used in assaults against vehicles or Monstrous Creatures, krak grenades have the following profile:" (62)

So they only have the melee type when used against MC's and Vehicles. The other grenades are worded similarly.

Would you seriously try to play this or let people try and play this against you?