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2013/07/15 05:03:03
Subject: It's about time...new Horus Heresy novel "Scars"
White Scars have been one of those neglected (perhaps the most neglected legion) legions. The Iron Warriors recently had their book. The Salamanders are about to get Vulkan Lives.
Thankfully, the White Scars will have their own book too (release date earyl 2014). It's written by Chris Wraight, same guy who penned Bortherhood of the Storm. I think this has a lot of potential:
thelordcal wrote: Indeed. And I felt slightly robbed when I ordered Brotherhood of the Storm for all that money and got a god damned Novella.
I did enjoy Brotherhood of the Storm. I felt that the authour really managed to give the Scars some unique character while staying true to the core inspiration: Mongolian space marines
...but yes, the novellas are ridiculously expensive
Muddypaw wrote: That full width illustration looks like a disco or mosh pit. Their primarch even has his own dance platform!
Someone on another forum said it looked like a brawl had broken out in a casino
I wonder how much hair gel that guy with the face paint uses to get his gigantic ponytail pointed straight back all the time. It sure can't be wind because of all that dramatic fog!
Dude...I just realized something. It's totally a heavy metal show! I swear the admech on the platform is flashing the metal salute.
\m/
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2013/07/15 12:50:17
Subject: It's about time...new Horus Heresy novel "Scars"
Its because ordinance is still a word.
However, firing ordinance at someone isn't nearly as threatening as firing ordnance at someone.
Ordinance is a local law, or bill, or other form of legislation.
Ordnance is high caliber explosives.
No 'I' in ordnance.
Don't drown the enemy in legislation, drown them in explosives.
2013/07/15 17:06:15
Subject: It's about time...new Horus Heresy novel "Scars"
He looks like a Fantasy Ogre, they've even got a gut plate on his power armor.
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2013/07/15 17:28:36
Subject: It's about time...new Horus Heresy novel "Scars"
"It is the great irony of the Legiones Astartes: engineered to kill to achieve a victory of peace that they can then be no part of." - Roboute Guilliman
"As I recall, your face was tortured. Imagine that - the Master of the Wolves, his ferocity twisted into grief. And yet you still carried out your duty. You always did what was asked of you. So loyal. So tenacious. Truly you were the attack dog of the Emperor. You took no pleasure in what you did. I knew that then, and I know it now. But all things change, my brother. I'm not the same as I was, and you're... well, let us not mention where you are now." - Magnus the Red, to a statue of Leman Russ
2013/07/15 23:35:06
Subject: It's about time...new Horus Heresy novel "Scars"
Marneus Calgar is referred to as "one of the Imperium's greatest tacticians" and he treats the Codex like it's the War Bible. If the Codex is garbage, then how bad is everyone else?
Just Dave wrote: Yeah, neither of the White Scars' covers have been impressive...
Could someone sum up what Brotherhood' tells us about the Legion if possible? It's nature and dynamic etc.
Basically...
The White Scars are the Redheaded step children of the Space Marine Legions. Most legions take issue with the White Scars seeing retreating as a tactical advantage rather than the never stop advancing approach to sweep aside their enemies.
The Terran born white scars and the Scars from Chogoris are often at odds on the battlefield. Terrans like to adopt defensive and strategic firing positions while the White Scars of Chogoris never abandon their momentum... keep moving as it were.
One little side note was how the Legion handled their dead. When one falls they strip the corpse of their armor and geneseed but leave the body to the Earth to better free the spirit back to the Wild Hunt on Chogoris.
It was also revealed that Khan and Horus are actually mates! Khan has a line where he basically states that Horus is the only one who understands how to use him. The White Scars aren't in it for the Glory or the flashy/sexy campaigns but are a tool to be used by Horus.
It really is a good read.
2013/07/16 03:50:51
Subject: It's about time...new Horus Heresy novel "Scars"
Just Dave wrote: Could someone sum up what Brotherhood' tells us about the Legion if possible? It's nature and dynamic etc.
Spoiler:
Brotherhood of the Storm (BoS) has surprising depth. If you're looking for major plot developments affecting the course of the Heresy, you won't find it in BoS. If you're interested in the character of the WS as a legion, you're in for a treat.
Wraight does an excellent job of infusing this previously obscure legion with tons of personality.
The book really fleshes out the legion's character/personality.
[spoiler]The WS take great delight in expressing their savage nature, their style of battle is wild and free. They are truly the "laughing killers", perhaps finding more joy in battle than any other legion. Their love of speed goes hand in hand with their love of freedom and open spaces. They get a thrill out of "lightning warfare", viewing it as the most beautiful way to make war.
Their way of thinking shows a penchant for poetry and mysticism. They are less practical than the Wolves. The Scars view war as an expression of their souls. Staying true to their philosophy and to their own nature seems to outweigh maximising of efficiency. That is, the Scars would likely rather fight in their way (the way they enjoy) than in a more efficient way they don't enjoy.
They respect strong enemies, even xenos (the Scars are quite fond of the Orks as worthy foes). Shiban even remarked that the mighty Ork warlord slain by the Khan didn't deserve such a pitiful death.
The book does a great job of highlighting the strengths and weaknesses of the legion. They're extremely skilled at what they do, but they're also shown to be rather set in their ways and slow/unwilling to adopt change. I'm sure the Scars would be competent at other styles of warfare, but they truly aren't what I'd call a versatile legion. They have more of a "specialist" mentality, exhibiting a strong inclination to stick to what they enjoy/are best at.
The book gives us an insight to Jaghatai Khan and his relationship with the legion. The Khan comes across as a bit haughty and cold, a ruthless, ambitious warlord in line with the more negative portrayals of Genghis Khan. He's almost like a cross between Fulgrim and Russ, though I'm sure Mr. Wraight will cast more light on the Khan's personality in the future. The Khan is constantly on the move and his warriors view him as the epitome, the perfect embodiment of all the values they hold dear.
The Khan is described as always at the centre, which, I think, not only means that the Khan is usually where the fighting is most crucial (the heart of the storm, so to speak) but also that the Khan is the centre and his army must follow. The WS don't have stationery bases. They're supremely mobile and self-sufficient (like historical Mongol warriors). Thus wherever their Khan is, that is the centre. Here ends my ramblings
b1soul wrote: White Scars have been one of those neglected (perhaps the most neglected legion) legions. The Iron Warriors recently had their book. The Salamanders are about to get Vulkan Lives.
Thankfully, the White Scars will have their own book too (release date earyl 2014). It's written by Chris Wraight, same guy who penned Bortherhood of the Storm. I think this has a lot of potential:
All I can think of when I see that cover is...
NTZ NTZ NTZ NTZ NTZ NTZ
Midnightdeathblade wrote: Think of a daemon incursion like a fart you don't quite trust... you could either toot a little puff of air, bellow a great effluvium, or utterly sh*t your pants and cry as it floods down your leg.
2013/07/17 11:30:57
Subject: It's about time...new Horus Heresy novel "Scars"
Kain wrote:
All I can think of when I see that cover is...
NTZ NTZ NTZ NTZ NTZ NTZ
White Scars make no apologies for their love of dubstep. They like to party.
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Marneus Calgar is referred to as "one of the Imperium's greatest tacticians" and he treats the Codex like it's the War Bible. If the Codex is garbage, then how bad is everyone else?
Kain wrote:
All I can think of when I see that cover is...
NTZ NTZ NTZ NTZ NTZ NTZ
White Scars make no apologies for their love of dubstep. They like to party.
I thought "WUB WUB WUB WUB WUB" was the Dubstep thing and "NTZ NTZ NTZ NTZ NTZ" was techno?
Midnightdeathblade wrote: Think of a daemon incursion like a fart you don't quite trust... you could either toot a little puff of air, bellow a great effluvium, or utterly sh*t your pants and cry as it floods down your leg.
2013/07/17 15:49:24
Subject: It's about time...new Horus Heresy novel "Scars"
Dubstep sounds like two Transformers having rough sex. Just imagine that, and you'll more or less have the idea.
Marneus Calgar is referred to as "one of the Imperium's greatest tacticians" and he treats the Codex like it's the War Bible. If the Codex is garbage, then how bad is everyone else?
Psienesis wrote: Gayest disco? Nah, that place ain't got gak on the Slaaneshi Roadhouse Pleasure Pit of Pernicious Perspiration down on Route 19.
But that's not gay so much as omnisexual.
Midnightdeathblade wrote: Think of a daemon incursion like a fart you don't quite trust... you could either toot a little puff of air, bellow a great effluvium, or utterly sh*t your pants and cry as it floods down your leg.
2013/07/17 21:01:44
Subject: It's about time...new Horus Heresy novel "Scars"
Just Dave wrote: Yeah, neither of the White Scars' covers have been impressive...
Could someone sum up what Brotherhood' tells us about the Legion if possible? It's nature and dynamic etc.
Basically...
The White Scars are the Redheaded step children of the Space Marine Legions. Most legions take issue with the White Scars seeing retreating as a tactical advantage rather than the never stop advancing approach to sweep aside their enemies.
The Terran born white scars and the Scars from Chogoris are often at odds on the battlefield. Terrans like to adopt defensive and strategic firing positions while the White Scars of Chogoris never abandon their momentum... keep moving as it were.
One little side note was how the Legion handled their dead. When one falls they strip the corpse of their armor and geneseed but leave the body to the Earth to better free the spirit back to the Wild Hunt on Chogoris.
It was also revealed that Khan and Horus are actually mates! Khan has a line where he basically states that Horus is the only one who understands how to use him. The White Scars aren't in it for the Glory or the flashy/sexy campaigns but are a tool to be used by Horus.
It really is a good read.
b1soul wrote:
Just Dave wrote: Could someone sum up what Brotherhood' tells us about the Legion if possible? It's nature and dynamic etc.
Spoiler:
Brotherhood of the Storm (BoS) has surprising depth. If you're looking for major plot developments affecting the course of the Heresy, you won't find it in BoS. If you're interested in the character of the WS as a legion, you're in for a treat.
Wraight does an excellent job of infusing this previously obscure legion with tons of personality.
The book really fleshes out the legion's character/personality.
[spoiler]The WS take great delight in expressing their savage nature, their style of battle is wild and free. They are truly the "laughing killers", perhaps finding more joy in battle than any other legion. Their love of speed goes hand in hand with their love of freedom and open spaces. They get a thrill out of "lightning warfare", viewing it as the most beautiful way to make war.
Their way of thinking shows a penchant for poetry and mysticism. They are less practical than the Wolves. The Scars view war as an expression of their souls. Staying true to their philosophy and to their own nature seems to outweigh maximising of efficiency. That is, the Scars would likely rather fight in their way (the way they enjoy) than in a more efficient way they don't enjoy.
They respect strong enemies, even xenos (the Scars are quite fond of the Orks as worthy foes). Shiban even remarked that the mighty Ork warlord slain by the Khan didn't deserve such a pitiful death.
The book does a great job of highlighting the strengths and weaknesses of the legion. They're extremely skilled at what they do, but they're also shown to be rather set in their ways and slow/unwilling to adopt change. I'm sure the Scars would be competent at other styles of warfare, but they truly aren't what I'd call a versatile legion. They have more of a "specialist" mentality, exhibiting a strong inclination to stick to what they enjoy/are best at.
The book gives us an insight to Jaghatai Khan and his relationship with the legion. The Khan comes across as a bit haughty and cold, a ruthless, ambitious warlord in line with the more negative portrayals of Genghis Khan. He's almost like a cross between Fulgrim and Russ, though I'm sure Mr. Wraight will cast more light on the Khan's personality in the future. The Khan is constantly on the move and his warriors view him as the epitome, the perfect embodiment of all the values they hold dear.
The Khan is described as always at the centre, which, I think, not only means that the Khan is usually where the fighting is most crucial (the heart of the storm, so to speak) but also that the Khan is the centre and his army must follow. The WS don't have stationery bases. They're supremely mobile and self-sufficient (like historical Mongol warriors). Thus wherever their Khan is, that is the centre. Here ends my ramblings
"It is the great irony of the Legiones Astartes: engineered to kill to achieve a victory of peace that they can then be no part of." - Roboute Guilliman
"As I recall, your face was tortured. Imagine that - the Master of the Wolves, his ferocity twisted into grief. And yet you still carried out your duty. You always did what was asked of you. So loyal. So tenacious. Truly you were the attack dog of the Emperor. You took no pleasure in what you did. I knew that then, and I know it now. But all things change, my brother. I'm not the same as I was, and you're... well, let us not mention where you are now." - Magnus the Red, to a statue of Leman Russ
