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If there was one ork rule or concept that you want brought into 6th ed what would it be? Personally it would be orks having 6+ fnp.

I want Mob Up to be a thing again.

They did it for the Green Tide apoc formation, make it normal (only a choice to do it)!!!

Giving every model a 6+ fnp would slow down the game a lot, but I can see the fluff precedence for it, even though T4 should honestly cover that.

I think Ork boyz mobs could get more characters - oddboyz, spannerboyz, what have you - to eat challenges. Nobz tend to get killed before they can swing in challenges, and as the chief damage dealer of a boyz mob, they're not getting to really do their work on the squad you're assaulting.

Old school Furious Charge, where you get both +1S and +1I when you assault. Either that or just an increase to I3 for all Orks (statline changes can happen, witness Eldar Guardians going to BS4).

Right now Orks are swinging at the same time as Tau (known for mostly scorning CC) and Necrons (slow and clumsy in CC), and for an army that makes close-up fighting a way of life that just doesn't feel like it fits with either fluff or rules.

Is it bad that my brain immediately went "One ork to find them..."

Anyways, I would want their WAAAGH to make their charge 6+D6" instead of fleet and +1 I for the turn.

I thought that too

For me it would be giving Orks an extra pip of strength on the statline, more than a rule. Orks have biceps the size of Bournemouth, so why are they the same strength as some weedy Eldar janitor?

More reliable transports for normal infantry, more stuff vs av 14.

Green tide. Basically similar to Necron Resurrection Protocols.

On a 5+ the defeated Ork is removed but another is added to the back of the mob.

New Ork rule:

GrotHammer 40k.

At the beginning of each of their turns, the Ork player rolls a d6. On a 1, for the rest of the game, all models (in both players' armies) with T4 or more have the same profile as a Grot.

Maybe to stop the Nob from being challenged out all the time make a rule that on a roll of (something dependent on the number of Boyz left) a Boy rushes ahead to attack the challenging character rather than the Nob.

 Brother SRM wrote:
Giving every model a 6+ fnp would slow down the game a lot,

I can't see it being to much of an issues really. In most cases weapons are >AP6 so it's just like rolling a standard save.

I would like to see some proper clan traits, along with a slight combat boost. But the waaagh definitely needs to be sorted to accurately reflect the fluff.

Fezman wrote:Old school Furious Charge, where you get both +1S and +1I when you assault. Either that or just an increase to I3 for all Orks (statline changes can happen, witness Eldar Guardians going to BS4).

Right now Orks are swinging at the same time as Tau (known for mostly scorning CC) and Necrons (slow and clumsy in CC), and for an army that makes close-up fighting a way of life that just doesn't feel like it fits with either fluff or rules.

This actually makes a lot of sense. Why are their initiative so crappy if they love CC? Furious Charge losing the +1I bonus kinda ruined them in a way. Literally everything that doesnt loathe melee combat out initiatives orks and only reason they dont wipe out before they can swing is not many units can kill 15+ models in 1 turn of CC lol.
A blanket increase to i3 would make sense, also improving bosses and nobz to I5/4 respectively. More for sweeping advance help since both are usually wearing a pklaw anyway.

Brother SRM wrote:Giving every model a 6+ fnp would slow down the game a lot, but I can see the fluff precedence for it, even though T4 should honestly cover that.

I think Ork boyz mobs could get more characters - oddboyz, spannerboyz, what have you - to eat challenges. Nobz tend to get killed before they can swing in challenges, and as the chief damage dealer of a boyz mob, they're not getting to really do their work on the squad you're assaulting.

6+ FNP wouldnt really slow the game down. After whatever save i have failed i just grab the failed dice and immediately throw them again. It would add ~2-5 seconds to each shooting IF that.

Giving Orks 6+ FNP is actually a pretty big deal. Yeah, its a 6+ so unlikely but its still an ARMY WIDE free chance to ignore most guns even ones that stripped your t-shirt off your back. i'd actually be surprised if we got that and they didnt increase the costs of our army by a bit (even 1-2 pts per boy makes a huge impact on costs)

It's fairly common in the fluff for an ork to suffer a killing blow, but hang on to life long enough to throttle someone, then slump over dead.

I don't want an army-wide 6+ FNP, because I don't see the random ork shrugging off a lascannon shot or a tank round.

However, a rule where, unless the ork suffers Instant Death, all orks get to make their attacks in close combat, even if killed earlier in the initiative order, would be awesome!

This would make Ork Nobs with powerklawss a little better (you might kill him in the challenge, but he might take you out too) and make ork charges a frightening thing again. It wouldn't increase their resiliency at range at all, and it would provide a little buff to the slugga/choppa boy who is currently so inferior to the shoota boy. If I KNEW that I could get my 4 attacks on the charge, even if my lads all died in the attempt, I wouldn't mind the snapshots so much.

Not a bad idea butcha.

Also they wouldnt be shrugging off lascannons. S8+ shots would deny the FNP unless they were on bikes or koptas
If youre shooting lascannons or non-blast tank shots at ork blobs though, you have issues lol (or are very desperate)

Burnas in boyz mobs would be lovely.

Da Butcha wrote:
It's fairly common in the fluff for an ork to suffer a killing blow, but hang on to life long enough to throttle someone, then slump over dead.

I don't want an army-wide 6+ FNP, because I don't see the random ork shrugging off a lascannon shot or a tank round.

However, a rule where, unless the ork suffers Instant Death, all orks get to make their attacks in close combat, even if killed earlier in the initiative order, would be awesome!

This would make Ork Nobs with powerklawss a little better (you might kill him in the challenge, but he might take you out too) and make ork charges a frightening thing again. It wouldn't increase their resiliency at range at all, and it would provide a little buff to the slugga/choppa boy who is currently so inferior to the shoota boy. If I KNEW that I could get my 4 attacks on the charge, even if my lads all died in the attempt, I wouldn't mind the snapshots so much.

I think that's a great idea especially when 10 boys are assaulting 10 marines and there are not enough left to kill a decent amount.

Well lets see here


1. Make Kans an Elite
2. Make Big Meks make ALL deff dreads of choice into Troops AND they can take objectives and count as denial troops.

3. Give Ork Boys a Burna option to where ALL of them can take a burna! For 2 points more per model.

4. Junka from FW available.

5. OH and how about giving Ork Nobs the hit and run ability if they take bikes and bikers too also normbal mobs get preferred enemy.

6. Meganobs get Shred and bulky

7. Boss gets It will not die and Rampage and Shred and Strikedown special rules.

I going to say.

Give boyz squads 1 nob per 10 orks. and secondly remove the limit to ard boyz squads.

 cormadepanda wrote:
I going to say.

Give boyz squads 1 nob per 10 orks. and secondly remove the limit to ard boyz squads.

No no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no a million times no

That would mean that I could just make a Ard boy squad of 2000 Ard boys as one squad. Throw in the cheapest shittiest boss and a 12 boy squad. Call it my 2500 point army and multi assault my opponents entire army and win.

NO

Ork HQs getting EW, because they're that damn tough.

its almost doubling the cost of the boy for a 4+ armor. Its not that great since really only infantry guns dont pen 4+ and most armies have plenty of it.

Hell, the most common non-infantry grade weapon thats spammed is S7 AP4 across the board, not just missilesides or quad guns. Ive used 'Ard Boyz a few times, and regretted it because i almost never got the 4+ save.

I would definitely vote for the old mob up rule, as it reflects the spontaneous nature of the orks

 Vasarto wrote:

 cormadepanda wrote:
I going to say.

Give boyz squads 1 nob per 10 orks. and secondly remove the limit to ard boyz squads.

No no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no a million times no

That would mean that I could just make a Ard boy squad of 2000 Ard boys as one squad. Throw in the cheapest shittiest boss and a 12 boy squad. Call it my 2500 point army and multi assault my opponents entire army and win.

NO

I think what was meant was remove the limit of 1 Ardboy mob per army, not remove the model limit for Ardboy mobs.

Though being able to essentially use Apocalypse formations with the normal Codex would be hilarious even as it destroyed the game.

Were the limit on such mobs per army to be removed they could introduce new HQ that unlocks this, similar to the way you can unlock Wraithguard as troops.

 Vasarto wrote:
Well lets see here


1. Make Kans an Elite
2. Make Big Meks make ALL deff dreads of choice into Troops AND they can take objectives and count as denial troops.

3. Give Ork Boys a Burna option to where ALL of them can take a burna! For 2 points more per model.

4. Junka from FW available.

5. OH and how about giving Ork Nobs the hit and run ability if they take bikes and bikers too also normbal mobs get preferred enemy.

6. Meganobs get Shred and bulky

7. Boss gets It will not die and Rampage and Shred and Strikedown special rules.

Are you serious??

That would be 30 burnas for 240pts.

You started well with the move kans but then the insanity slipped in and you just wishlisted broken rules.

I don't think 6+fnp army wide is quite right either.

However how about 6+ fnp for units that announce charges and remains in effect till the end of the players turn.
And perhaps all units get FNP6+ on Waaagh player turns as well.

I want a "loot" rule.

Whenever any ork character kills anyone, you get all his wargear. If he kills a vehicle he increases his armor by one. Challenge-baited my warboss with a tactical sergeant? Look at his new shiny power armor!


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Minijack wrote:
I don't think 6+fnp army wide is quite right either.

However how about 6+ fnp for units that announce charges and remains in effect till the end of the players turn.
And perhaps all units get FNP6+ on Waaagh player turns as well.

That's a lot of dice doing a lot of nothing. If you suffer 180 wounds you are saving 20 of them using that safe. You might just as well decrease the point cost of boyz to 5 for just about the same effect.

Piggybacking on the loot idea, let big meks revive wrecked vehicles even the enemy's and retain normal weapons, but only 1 hp and can fire 1 weapon that turn (so you atleast get to use the main gun once before it gets re-popped). Would be hilarious to repair an Ionhead or LRBT and pi plate something trying to deny your objectives on YOUR side of the board

So many rules i'd want.

1) Mobs over 20 boyz strong get fnp, +1I, and +1S on the charge.
2) A mek or a nob as an upgrade for boyz.
3) Flash gits having variable Strength and ap weaponry (1d6 Str, 1d6 AP) and a lower points cost
4) More vehicles having ramshackle
5) Fielding ghazzy gives the entire army fearless instead of his waaagh.
6) Squigs, as a unit.
7) Being able to take larger squads of stormboyz.
8) Warbosses being able to take anything from the ork armory. I want a stormboss with KMB and PK.
9) Waaagh causes hatred, rage, and must be done turn 3 or later.
10) Any unit that can take a mek( lootas, burnas) being able to take a looted wagon as a dedicated transport.

wild ideas. some possibly crazy and cheap. But some kinda fluffy too

I'd love to see more Gretchin options. A HQ and perhaps some more Grot-run vehicles and weapons for Elite, FA and HS slots. Make it possible to run an entire Gretchin army, if you're that nuts.

Vasarto wrote:

 cormadepanda wrote:
I going to say.

Give boyz squads 1 nob per 10 orks. and secondly remove the limit to ard boyz squads.

No no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no a million times no

That would mean that I could just make a Ard boy squad of 2000 Ard boys as one squad. Throw in the cheapest shittiest boss and a 12 boy squad. Call it my 2500 point army and multi assault my opponents entire army and win.

NO

read the codex. Limit ard boys 0-1 not body count. I would have suggested removing the unit limit cap on Orks otherwise. Sesh. No problem. To take an ard army would be cool.

Fezman wrote:
I think what was meant was remove the limit of 1 Ardboy mob per army, not remove the model limit for Ardboy mobs.

Though being able to essentially use Apocalypse formations with the normal Codex would be hilarious even as it destroyed the game.

Were the limit on such mobs per army to be removed they could introduce new HQ that unlocks this, similar to the way you can unlock Wraithguard as troops.

I would also be fine with this. Another rule i would like to see is if you can take your Nob squad like wolf guard and split them up over troop squads to further increase the nob capacity mixed with boyz. To get a really Orky fluffy feel of six or seven nobs leading twenty seven boyz,

Also to make flash gits eilites with a third shot or +1 bs would do it for me.