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Just starting this thread to get the ball rolling on predictions etc...

I played in the renegade open this past weekend. Someone asked for a report without Tau and/or Eldar so I am always up for the challenge. Though I didnt fall far. I elected to run The Ugly Misfits. Previously this army is 12-0 this year winning best overall at the midwest massacre and best general at the Indy Open. I made a few changes though from that original list to compensate for the meta change that the new Tau and Eldar brought about. I dropped the wraiths, dlord, and 1 squad of warriors and picked up trazyn and 10 deathmarks.

Here is the list:

HQ:
Trazyn the Infinite 175pts
Cryptek Harbringer of storm (lightning field; voltaic staff) 35pts

Daemon Prince of Tzeentch (ML 3, GoM, Black Mace, Spell Familiar, wings, armor) 365pts

Elite:
10 Deathmarks in night scythe 290pts

Troops:
5 Warrios in NS 165pts
5 Warrios in NS 165pts
5 Warrios in NS 165pts
10 Cultist 50pts

Fast Attack:
Heldrake with Baleflamer 170pts

Heavy:
Annihilation Barge with dual tesla 90pts
Annihilation Barge with dual tesla 90pts
Annihilation Barge with dual tesla 90pts

The way the event worked is if you were in top 16 after the first four rounds on day one then you made it to the finals. From there everyone played 3 games with the top 4 playing 4 games. Everyone not in the top 16 played in the rogue trader that was offered day two.

Ladies and Gents! What are your predictions?

The requestor was I, but I am not sure I prefer NS I mean Necron lists either

I like the list, but success depends a lot on how you are going to utilize that DP. As a loner I feel it is an easy target, for support it is very expensive. You got the Mace, so I suppose the DP will go close up.

You will make top 16, but that's it

Out of interest what does Trazyn the Infinite bring to your list? I get the other stuff but don't really see what he contributes.

Trazyn is an interesting choice. Deathmarks are actually quite good. However, if it was me, I'd probably opt for an Overlord + veil-tek for those deathmarks instead.

I vote Top 4 just because of your skill. Otherwise, in the hands of someone else, this army is probably a Top 16 at best.

 CaptainJay wrote:
Out of interest what does Trazyn the Infinite bring to your list? I get the other stuff but don't really see what he contributes.

He's scoring and he can help against horde armies like zombies. That's one of the weaknesses of this list - it has trouble dealing with horde armies.

 jy2 wrote:
Trazyn is an interesting choice. Deathmarks are actually quite good. However, if it was me, I'd probably opt for an Overlord + veil-tek for those deathmarks instead.

I vote Top 4 just because of your skill. Otherwise, in the hands of someone else, this army is probably a Top 16 at best.

 CaptainJay wrote:
Out of interest what does Trazyn the Infinite bring to your list? I get the other stuff but don't really see what he contributes.

He's scoring and he can help against horde armies like zombies. That's one of the weaknesses of this list - it has trouble dealing with horde armies.

I guess empathatic obliterator (the kill a model then all others w/same name die on a 4+) could be pretty useful but isn't it relatively easy to block (challenge w/sgt etc) strikes me as somewhat stituational...

 CaptainJay wrote:

I guess empathatic obliterator (the kill a model then all others w/same name die on a 4+) could be pretty useful but isn't it relatively easy to block (challenge w/sgt etc) strikes me as somewhat stituational...

Yes, which is why you need to make sure he doesn't get into a challenge. Trail him in the rear if you are expecting a charge so that he wouldn't be able to issue/accept a challenge, at least not on the 1st turn.

Naw wrote:The requestor was I, but I am not sure I prefer NS I mean Necron lists either

I like the list, but success depends a lot on how you are going to utilize that DP. As a loner I feel it is an easy target, for support it is very expensive. You got the Mace, so I suppose the DP will go close up.

You will make top 16, but that's it

lol, well it isnt wraith spam crons. Just 4 night scythe in 1850 which isn't too bad.

CaptainJay wrote:Out of interest what does Trazyn the Infinite bring to your list? I get the other stuff but don't really see what he contributes.

He is scoring. He can get back up and/or take my crypteks spot if he dies. I had to drop a troop to pick up the new units and he helps keep me at the same amount of scoring troops. Most games he rode with the deathmarks and stayed in the transport when they got out.

jy2 wrote:Trazyn is an interesting choice. Deathmarks are actually quite good. However, if it was me, I'd probably opt for an Overlord + veil-tek for those deathmarks instead.

I vote Top 4 just because of your skill. Otherwise, in the hands of someone else, this army is probably a Top 16 at best.

 CaptainJay wrote:
Out of interest what does Trazyn the Infinite bring to your list? I get the other stuff but don't really see what he contributes.

He's scoring and he can help against horde armies like zombies. That's one of the weaknesses of this list - it has trouble dealing with horde armies.

Yea hordes can be an issue but I have a good amount of dakka and the heldrake to help mitigate it. Between the heldrake and the prince I do okay against hordes. I accidentally forgot a key new addition. I added the harbringer of storm and his voltaic staff to help against enemy armor. In addition, I had 10pts left over with nothing to buy so I picked up the lightning field on him. Naturally I forgot to use it the whole event.



Seeing a lot of doubters out there. I am 12-0 with the crons/csm combo to date in GT's. Did the meta break this list that much?

I like Trazyn but only in a douche canoe... He can spank blob units and needs the canoes to quickly reach them.

The DP seems a little dated, if you need EW on him you could ally in Black Legion with the artifact that gives him EW. I think the meta has increased in terms of skyfire to the point where your DP and single Helldrake aren't going to be enough.

I'd also consider dropping the armour on him due to Grav weapon prevalance. My Tau/SM/=I= just whipped a Trazyn list today, so I wasn't hugely impressed by him. Zandrek/Oberyon seems to be quite good, however.

Asmodai Asmodean wrote:
The DP seems a little dated, if you need EW on him you could ally in Black Legion with the artifact that gives him EW. I think the meta has increased in terms of skyfire to the point where your DP and single Helldrake aren't going to be enough.

I'd also consider dropping the armour on him due to Grav weapon prevalance. My Tau/SM/=I= just whipped a Trazyn list today, so I wasn't hugely impressed by him. Zandrek/Oberyon seems to be quite good, however.

But then he wouldn't be able to take the Black Mace, no? IMO, the Black Mace is more critical to his success than EW. Take the Black Mace and he still has a chance to get Iron Arm. Take the BL artifact and I don't believe he can get the Black Mace.

And now with the seer council coming to the forefront, I think the Black Mace has become an even better weapon.

true, the mace can make some critical extra kills, but however there is zap change the prince will survive the combat against all those witchblades...

I think Trazyn is joining the Deathmarks?

 Valek wrote:
true, the mace can make some critical extra kills, but however there is zap change the prince will survive the combat against all those witchblades...

I think Trazyn is joining the Deathmarks?

Oh yes he can. Keep in mind that witchblades have no AP and the DP has 3+ with re-roll 1's for being Tzeentch.

What would be more painful is when the seer council Hit-&-Run out of there and leaves the DP out in the open for the rest of the eldar army to shoot down. If there is a wraithknight, then that means the DP is most likely going down.

Of course, there is a small chance that the Mace can take out the Baron with a failed Toughness test.....

It's silly not to take the power armor... It's not everyone is playing White Scars now.

 Dozer Blades wrote:
It's silly not to take the power armor... It's not everyone is playing White Scars now.

Also, thanks to a 34 point inquisitorial jerk almost everyone can take there wont be that many scouting bike lists at tournaments.

One less thing to worry about.

Poor Scars had their two minutes in the sun. All those people who bought tons of bikes and grav guns... I suppose you still can outflank with them.

Khorne dog rush wont like it either, i think that was the biggest thing to counter

HI so when are we gong to start seeing the game tombking i cannot wait.

 patrickekirby wrote:
HI so when are we gong to start seeing the game tombking i cannot wait.

I am finishing up the feast one first. I might just summarize the end of the report for feast.

Sorry ladies and gents!
Between work to include some 24 hour shifts, catching up on admin stuff missed, & inspections I haven't had much time to do this report.
Cope that with the fact that it might be a flame war later on and it kind of sucked the spirit out of me wanting to do the report.
I finally have time to do this report if people are still interested... lmk.

Also note that getting an xbox one didnt help me stay motivated to do the report either.

Write it up. You said, he said... Does it matter?

You could give a brief summary of each game rather than a full batrep. Always interesting to see how a successful tournament player does.




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Oh, and I'd try to downplay any drama or edit it out completely.

I'd like to see it finished. : )

I am also still interested. With or without drama.

Naw wrote:Write it up. You said, he said... Does it matter?

Tbh, a little bit. I never even knew there was drama past the game until I saw the reports on here. Either way I will post the game as I saw it and try to avoid any further.

jy2 wrote:You could give a brief summary of each game rather than a full batrep. Always interesting to see how a successful tournament player does.


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Oh, and I'd try to downplay any drama or edit it out completely.

I am not so much a fan of the brief summary. I will start out with the full report and then fall back into summary if needed.

And the drama made me not want to do the report to begin with. Pretty sure I will aim to avoid it but some of it will be addressed as some things obviously wont match up with previous accounts.

Dozer Blades wrote:I'd like to see it finished. : )

Then it shall be so.

Round 1:
Deployment: Vanguard
Mission:
Special Rules: Follow all rules for a standard game of WH40K (WH40kRB)
Primary Objective: 5 Objective Markers (pg 126 WH40kRB) Objective Markers must be placed on the
table more than 9 inches from a Table Edge and must be more than 12 inches
4pts from another Objective Marker.

Secondary Objective: Purge the Alien (Kill Points): Kill Points as per Purge the Alien (pg 127 WH40kRB)
3pts

Tertiary Objectives: (1 point is awarded for accomplishing each of these) Solo-Blood (pg 2 Renegade
3pts Packet), Slay the Warlord (pg. 122 WH40kRB), and Line Breaker (pg. 122 WH40kRB).
 

Opponent: Connor Hogan
Army: Necrons

Destroyer Lord (MSS, Weave)
Destroyer Lord (MSS, Weave)

Troops:
5 Necron Warriors in night scythe
5 Necron Warriors in night scythe
5 Necron Warriors in night scythe

Fast Attack:
6 wraiths(5 whip coils)
6 wraiths(4 whip coils)
6 wraiths(4 whip coils)

Heavy Support:
Annihilation barge
Annihilation barge
Annihilation barge

Initiative necrons!

Pre-Game Analysis: Connor is a good guy. I have seen him at a couple of events and talked 40k with him a couple of times. The meta has changed a bit so I was hoping to see less 18 wraith list. My list does okay against them but those wraiths and/or that dlord will eat my prince for lunch. I roll enfeeble and life leach. So I at least have an option to instant gib them. The plan will be to go second because you are never in range first turn for maledictions otherwise. This will maximize the amount of instant death shots I can put on him. I have seen it countless times though. If I cant do enough damage to his wraiths before they reach me then they will destroy me. There is no outrunning them. His heavy support and flyers mirror mine so it should be an interesting game.

Deployment: He deploys all 3 wraith units with a Dlord in two of them at the front of his deployment zone. He deploys his 3 barges back a little bit on his right flank. I place my barges at his max range. If he wants a shot at me he will have to move 12" and only one barge will get it. I deploy the prince up front on my right flank just out of range of the barges. I reserve everything else. I do not attempt to seize.

Necron turn 1:

Necron/csm turn 1:

Necron turn 2:

Necrons/Csm Turn 2:

Mid-game analysis:

Necron Turn 3:
Necrons/Csm Turn 3:

Necron turn 4:

Necron/ CSM turn 4:

Necron Turn 5:

Necron/Csm Turn 5:

Game Results and Analysis:

It's a nasty list, though he could have made it even worse by dropping all the whip coils and maybe 1-2 wraiths for a 4th troop unit in night scythe.

This game will be won by whoever goes 2nd. First of all, it is objectives. Secondly, the person going 2nd will be able to beta-strike his opponent's flyers.

ROUND 2:
Deployment: Dawn of War
Mission:
Primary Objective: Purge the Alien: Kill Points (pg 127 WH40kRB) Heavy Metal: Heavy Support units are 4pts worth 2 Kill Points per Big Guns Never Tire(BGNT)
Secondary Objective: 3 Objective Markers (Objectives) Big Guns Never tire: Place the first objective
3pts marker at the center of the table. Then each player (starting with the Player that won choice of side) places one objective marker on the table. The markers cannot be within 9" of a table edge, or within 12" of another objective marker. The player that holds the most objective markers wins the Secondary Objective. Heavy Support units are both Scoring the Denial units.

Tertiary Objectives: (1 point is awarded for accomplishing each of these) Solo-Blood (pg 2 Renegade
3pts Packet), Slay the Warlord (pg. 122 WH40kRB), and Line Breaker (pg. 122 WH40kRB).

Opponent: Jorell Rohan
Army: Ethereallly Annoying (Tau Empire) Just noticed his army name!

Ethereal

Troops:

12 Warriors
12 Warriors
12 Warriors
20 Kroot w/ shaper and sniper rounds
10 Kroot w/ shaper and sniper rounds
10 Kroot w/ shaper and sniper rounds

Fast attack:

5 Pathfinders
5 Pathfinders
5 Pathfinders

Heavy Support:

Hammerhead (BS Filter, Automated repair system, railgun, sms)
Sky Ray (BS Filter, Point defence targeting relay)
Sky Ray (BS Filter, Point defence targeting relay)

Allied Detachment: Farsight Enclave

Ethereal

Elite:

Riptide (Velocity Tracker, Early warning override, Heavy Burst Cannon, SMS, Earth Caste Pilot Array, Talisman of Arthas Moloc)

Troops:

3 Crisis suits (burst/fusion)
3 Crisis suits (burst/fusion)

Pre-game Analysis: Hello dakka my name is TK . This is one of those games where assaulting isnt a great idea and shooting them to death also is not a great idea. Makes you think how can someone fit that many units into an 1850 list. My only real thing that is going to help me in this one is the daemon prince if he can make it to the enemy and the heldrake which can flame him to death. The tau leadership isnt an issue because he has two ethereals. TBH I am kind of worried about this one. However, I do have one thing that falls my way that helps a little. I roll my gift of mutation and get +1 AS on the prince. He now has a 2+ re-rollable armor save thanks to tzeentch. This doesnt fix the issue of a railgun punching him square in the face and instant killing him but it does help me survive the possible missile and dakka barrage that he will need to endure. I roll my exact same psyschic powers, life leach and enfeeble.


What are your predictions?

I predict a close win for the Ugly Misfits! That Tau army looks really nasty... Can't wait to see how you go about taking it on. Daemon Prince could be the game winner.

Maybe I am always unlucky with my DP, gets grounded by mass fire from a full squad of FW's with Fireblade, and then he gets pasted..

You should be a bit worried about the HBC Riptide, but otherwise you should be fine. Besides the Crisis suits, he can't really touch your AB's, they should put out some real hurt.

Dozer Blades wrote:I predict a close win for the Ugly Misfits! That Tau army loo. ks really nasty... Can't wait to see how you go about taking it on. Daemon Prince could be the game winner.

Yea getting the 2+ save helps a ton but we will see if it even matters.

Naw wrote:Maybe I am always unlucky with my DP, gets grounded by mass fire from a full squad of FW's with Fireblade, and then he gets pasted..

You should be a bit worried about the HBC Riptide, but otherwise you should be fine. Besides the Crisis suits, he can't really touch your AB's, they should put out some real hurt.

His missile sides and rail gun can also make short work of my annihilation barges. His list has some serious fire power for me.

Also ladies and gents this report is on hold. Had a death in the family and then also Christmas. Won't be able to even look at this until next Sunday.