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A thought popped in my head as I was reading over Lucious' profile, what would happen if a Grey Knight killed him instead of just a run of the mill space marine? Is Lucious' power based off more of a curse like the one that affects Draigo therefore the Grey Knight would begin his transformation into the twisted form of Lucious or is a corruption that a Grey Knight could use its power to resist? I mean it is the will of Slaanesh so a Grey Knight would still fall to it but would that count as a Grey Knight falling to Chaos or just being killed by Lucious?

As much as I love the Grey Knights this is still something that is over their heads. Honestly, I don't think I would count it as a Grey Knight falling to Chaos but I still think the ever rebirth of Lucious would go on.

It would probably count as the GK being killed by Lucius.

They must feel pride over the kill first for it to work.

I am not sure if a GK would fall for that.

Why not?

I vote for the Inquisitor that was responsible for having the GK show up where Lucious was in the first place. Those guys are notorious for turning to Chaos.

Also, it's Lucius.

 Ashiraya wrote:
They must feel pride over the kill first for it to work.

I am not sure if a GK would fall for that.

Of course they would, Astartes basically have pride hard-wired into them and the Grey Knights are no exception. It isn't just pride that will trigger it either.

Also worth noting that it's not just pride. The CSM codex describes the effect as anyone who takes "even a moment of satisfaction from the act" as falling into Slaanesh's trap.

I guess it's a little vague. Does lucious bubble up from below and slowly overtake the previous occupant of that bit of mortal flesh, or does the person himself convert into lucious?

It feels more like the former than the latter. The person doesn't transform into what he vanquished, more than lucious dies and then comes back in the world's most depraved version of tag. It's the armor of shrieking souls because his victims are unwilling participants in the process.

I'd think that a GK soul would shriek extra loudly, knowing that he was the emperor's purest and finest before he was imprisoned in demon armor.

clively wrote:
I vote for the Inquisitor that was responsible for having the GK show up where Lucious was in the first place. Those guys are notorious for turning to Chaos.

The GK don't rely on the Inquisition. The Grey Knights are capable of surviving almost automonously. Sure, Inquisitorial sanction helps but the Grey Knights have old, wizened Astartes called Prognosticars to predict the locations of Daemonic incursions.

Lucius has been sort of retconned, prior to taking over a body that feels pride he was killed, dead as a door nail and apothecary fabius declared him as such, and then he came to life again and no one knows why, fluff wise only 1 other faction can do this to date and that the perpetuals, ref: Angel exterminatus.

And Thawn.

 Ailaros wrote:
And Thawn.

Thawn is a perpetual

Is he? Grey knights codex yeah, justicar thawn?

 Formosa wrote:
Is he? Grey knights codex yeah, justicar thawn?

Yup, read the short story The Ghost Halls. The Eldar recognize him as the last perpetual.

Well the elderp are mistaken clearly, there's the big e and lots of other perpetuals running around, unless they all somehow died during and after the heresy.

 Formosa wrote:
Well the elderp are mistaken clearly, there's the big e and lots of other perpetuals running around, unless they all somehow died during and after the heresy.

I'm not sure the Emperor really counts as a perpetual at this point. If the Star Child prophecy is true then he can be resurrected, but he apparently will not just resurrect on his own. If that were the case then he wouldn't have bothered telling Dorn how to rig the Golden Throne to act as his life support.

EDIT: The old Lost and the Damned claims that the battle with Horus literally removed the Emperor's soul from his body, and that his soul is roaming the warp. He uses his body connected to the Golden Throne as a conduit through which he can wield his power in the material realm. Not sure if this is still valid or not though.

That makes sense

So I wonder what happened to all the other ones, as by my last count there are what? 4 and the emp kicking round in the heresy, possibly 5 if lucius does indeed turn out to be one too.

There are some that say Vulkan is currently acting as a statue in Trazyn's personal museum...

But what if someone who killed Lucius happen to be a mentally ill guy which killed him accidentally and have no feeling

 Formosa wrote:
Lucius has been sort of retconned, prior to taking over a body that feels pride he was killed, dead as a door nail and apothecary fabius declared him as such, and then he came to life again and no one knows why, fluff wise only 1 other faction can do this to date and that the perpetuals, ref: Angel exterminatus.

I am actually getting through Angel Exterminatus right now. It kind takes the allure away if they retconned it although it had me thinking of why Slaanesh would care about one lowly space marine.

I think he was a perpetuall that was corrupted by slaanesh and it's original form of reincarnation was perverted into something new, it is also stated in another book that perpetuals are coveted by deamons more than any other soul and this could account for slaaneshs interest in a lowly space marine.

 Metaljunx wrote:
But what if someone who killed Lucius happen to be a mentally ill guy which killed him accidentally and have no feeling

Then Slaanesh would resurrect him elsewhere.

Or, you know, use warp magic to fix the mental illness and then direct a few cultists to inform the person how proud they should be that they killed lucious.

It just says if the person takes pride, not takes pride immediately. Even if it took a few years and some machinations of a chaos god, it would still be fixable.

 Ailaros wrote:
Or, you know, use warp magic to fix the mental illness and then direct a few cultists to inform the person how proud they should be that they killed lucious.

It just says if the person takes pride, not takes pride immediately. Even if it took a few years and some machinations of a chaos god, it would still be fixable.

The simple solution to Lucius? Don't kill him, dismember him, then lock up his armless, legless body. Eventually his lust for stimulation will drive him to suicide. Problem solved.

 Deadshot wrote:

 Ailaros wrote:
Or, you know, use warp magic to fix the mental illness and then direct a few cultists to inform the person how proud they should be that they killed lucious.

It just says if the person takes pride, not takes pride immediately. Even if it took a few years and some machinations of a chaos god, it would still be fixable.

The simple solution to Lucius? Don't kill him, dismember him, then lock up his armless, legless body. Eventually his lust for stimulation will drive him to suicide. Problem solved.

A limbless body can't commit suicide...

Plus Slaanesh would probably just regenerate him anyway.

 Wyzilla wrote:
A limbless body can't commit suicide...

Oh yea of little faith.

I think a quasi-immortal monster with acid saliva as well as the voice of a quasi-omnipresent deity in his head could probably figure it out.

 Jimsolo wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:
A limbless body can't commit suicide...

Oh yea of little faith.

I think a quasi-immortal monster with acid saliva as well as the voice of a quasi-omnipresent deity in his head could probably figure it out.

Except Astartes are sometimes depicted as being immune to their own acid. So he couldn't burn himself to death.

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:

 Ailaros wrote:
Or, you know, use warp magic to fix the mental illness and then direct a few cultists to inform the person how proud they should be that they killed lucious.

It just says if the person takes pride, not takes pride immediately. Even if it took a few years and some machinations of a chaos god, it would still be fixable.

The simple solution to Lucius? Don't kill him, dismember him, then lock up his armless, legless body. Eventually his lust for stimulation will drive him to suicide. Problem solved.

A limbless body can't commit suicide...

Plus Slaanesh would probably just regenerate him anyway.

He could smash his head repeatedly against the adamantium floor. Bite or melt the metal enough that he has a jagged piece and could put it in his mouth and use his tongue to push it up into his brain.

Get creative!

 Metaljunx wrote:
But what if someone who killed Lucius happen to be a mentally ill guy which killed him accidentally and have no feeling

On a similar note: what if Lucius was unknowingly killed by say; an artillery shell and then the gunner(s) we're killed before finding out they'd killed him? Therefore no moment of satisfaction.

Or you could just kill the mentally ill guy.

Also: what happens if someone else takes satisfaction in that Lucius has been killed rather that having actually killed by said person. Eg. The gunners from the tank die but then the commander finds out Lucius dies and then share a moment of satisfaction. Does Lucius take the commander's body?

And them what happens if Lucius is killed by a Mechanicum Adept who has long been unable to feel the emotion of satisfaction and/or has no flesh for Lucius to take over?

I feel like I could come up with more of these but I think I'd better stop... What do you guys think of the scenarios?