Kentucky Clerk’s Office Defies Court Order to Issue Same-Sex Marriage Licenses

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**WrentheFaceless**

Well they're both discrimination cases where one side was told they're wrong legally and are throwing hissy fits

Its pretty comparable, off topic, but comparable.

So she cant be fired because she was elected?

**WrentheFaceless**

Smacks wrote:
DarkTraveler777 wrote:
I never said this was your argument, but I do not see the same complications you do, either. It is pretty black and white to me.

Respecting this woman's religion in terms of her position as County Clerk violates other citizens' rights. Therefore she should either ignore her religious beliefs or quit. No one is stopping her from following the tenets of her religion. She just can't impose those tenets on others if she wants to keep her job. How is that not fair for everyone
I agree with you completely, and I hope that whoever is tasked with resolving this will come to the same conclusion. The only complication is that she is making a claim that her religious freedoms are being infringed. However much we might disagree with that, and find it ridiculous, she still has the right to due process of law. Even if it is pretty black and white (as you said).

The fact a court of law disagrees her 'religious freedoms' are being infringed on, she was allowed her due process is already and is now in contempt of multiple judgements.

**WrentheFaceless**

Smacks wrote:
WrentheFaceless wrote:
The fact a court of law disagrees her 'religious freedoms' are being infringed on, she was allowed her due process is already and is now in contempt of multiple judgements.
Where are you getting this from?

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/43d991ef406c49039fcf828d482e1cce/defying-order-clerk-wont-give-gay-couple-marriage-license

U.S. District Judge David L. Bunning said in his ruling Wednesday that Davis has likely violated the U.S. Constitution's protection against the establishment of a religion by "openly adopting a policy that promotes her own religious convictions at the expenses of others."

"Davis remains free to practice her Apostolic Christian beliefs. She may continue to attend church twice a week, participate in Bible Study and minister to female inmates at the Rowan County Jail. She is even free to believe that marriage is a union between one man and one woman, as many Americans do," Bunning wrote. "However, her religious convictions cannot excuse her from performing the duties that she took an oath to perform as Rowan County Clerk."

Multiple couples sued, judgement came back Wednesday saying that her reasoning isnt good eough, and even the Governor of the state has ordered her to issue licenses

Democratic Gov. Steve Beshear has told defiant clerks, who are elected, to issue licenses or resign.

She had her day in court so to speak and lost.

**WrentheFaceless**

Smacks wrote:
WrentheFaceless wrote:
judgement came back Wednesday saying that her reasoning isnt good eough, and even the Governor of the state has ordered her to issue licenses
Read your own source "Davis' attorneys have asked the judge for a stay, and Bunning has not yet ruled."

As I said, there hasn't been a ruling yet, and she hasn't been held in contempt (yet).

Hopefully soon.

Yea it was a bit confusing, the opening said "In the judge's ruling" then said "No ruling had been made"

I think the reporter is confused themselves

**WrentheFaceless**

Kilkrazy wrote:
Wasn't there something about a $44,000 fine? Surely the county government is not going to enjoy paying that.

The county shouldnt, it should be her herself

**WrentheFaceless**

Man need to get me a cushy government job, dont have to do my job and cant get fired for it

**WrentheFaceless**

Ouze wrote:
I just woke up and don't feel like pasting the whole article in the thread yet but she has petitioned the Supreme Court.

Supreme Court says do your job

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/08/31/supreme-court-rules-against-kentucky-clerk-in-gay-marriage-case/?intcmp=hpbt2

**WrentheFaceless**

Common sense isnt so common these days

**WrentheFaceless**

In a move that surprised absolutely no one

Pretty sure her paycheck isnt signed by "God"

**WrentheFaceless**

Yea she's probably eyeing that Kickstarter money as we speak

**WrentheFaceless**

Lets hope the "court motivation" isnt footed by the taxpayers like her paycheck for the job she isnt doing is

Should be out of her own pockets, and any kickstarter/go fund me should be shut down

**WrentheFaceless**

Because, if people are paying money to support her fines, its not a punishment, its no money out of her pocket.

They can pay for her lawyers, rather they pay for that than the state, but if they're paying her fines, its not much of a punishment or a deterrent.

**WrentheFaceless**

CptJake wrote:
WrentheFaceless wrote:
Because, if people are paying money to support her fines, its not a punishment, its no money out of her pocket.

They can pay for her lawyers, rather they pay for that than the state, but if they're paying her fines, its not much of a punishment or a deterrent.

I just see that as massively petty and tyrannical to me. Who cares how she raises the money to pay for any of it (lawyers/fines/what ever)? Is the goal just to bankrupt her? If so, just advocate for total confiscation of all her property. Folks have been finding ways to pay penalties/fines ever since penalties and fines existed. Crowd funding is a newer way of doing so, but not nearly the only way supporters have helped those they deemed worthy pay off fines and penalties.

How is that petty? She's skirting the punishment, why would she feel any different if there is no punshiment to her actions if others are footing the bill. Thats far from petty, making her pay her own fines is justice

Though I dont see any reason to punish the lawyers.

**WrentheFaceless**

whembly wrote:
I have a problem that this elected Democrat official has the key to the office under lock to prevent other officials from issuing licences.

Why hasn't she been held in contempt yet?

This sets an awful precedent the longer this goes...

Rhetorically asking here... what's the response if she's in charge of issue "shall issue CCW" permits, and refuses? What about refusing to follow VoterID regulations?

Think her and all members of her office were supposed to report to court today regarding Contempt charges

**WrentheFaceless**

Looks like she's asking for a do-over

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/kentucky-clerk-asks-judge-way-out-gay-marriage-order-n420446

**WrentheFaceless**

sebster wrote:
whembly wrote:
I have a problem that this elected Democrat official...

I was waiting for someone to mention that

This sets an awful precedent the longer this goes...

I really can't see this ending in any way that would make other people want to try the same stunt.

Shes a Democrat only in the tradition that most of the south were "Democrats" durring the civil war.

**WrentheFaceless**

What are we? Ancient rome now? Jeeze, next they're going to claim they're going to be fed to the Lions.

**WrentheFaceless**

Yea the mainstream news websites are starting to update their headline bulletins, she's been found in contempt and taken into custody.

**WrentheFaceless**

Smart of the judge to realize in the days of Kickstarter and GoFundMe, that Fines wouldnt be much of a punishment

**WrentheFaceless**

Dont even engage Grog, its not worth the effort

**WrentheFaceless**

I told you guys to not engage him

**WrentheFaceless**

Christian Bale Moses or Charlton Heston Moses?

Anyways, I had heard that the assistant clerks were given the same ultimatum. Any word on their decisions?

**WrentheFaceless**

She should be feeling hypocritical anyways due her 3 prior marriages and reported infidelity.

And it was reported that she had no issue signing a license for a Transgendered individual prior to the SCOTUS rulling

**WrentheFaceless**

Wasnt aware converting was a free pass

So I could murder, rape and pillage all my life, but If i convert its all good?

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generalgrog wrote:
WrentheFaceless wrote:
Wasnt aware converting was a free pass

So I could murder, rape and pillage all my life, but If i convert its all good?

wow....really?

GG

Thats what you just said, she converted so anything before that isnt applicable.

Polonius wrote:
WrentheFaceless wrote:
Wasnt aware converting was a free pass

So I could murder, rape and pillage all my life, but If i convert its all good?

It depends what you mean by "free pass."

Most Christian theology holds that sincere regret is sufficient. Catholic view also requires appropriate penance.

I think the main driving factor is to avoid the trip to the hot place downstairs right? Conversion is essentialy a 'free pass' to that if what i've been reading around the internet regarding this woman's infidelitys and divorces are concerned that they dont count upon her moral standing since she converted

You'll have to excuse me, I'm not a very religious minded person

**WrentheFaceless**

AlmightyWalrus wrote:
WrentheFaceless wrote:
generalgrog wrote:
WrentheFaceless wrote:
Wasnt aware converting was a free pass

So I could murder, rape and pillage all my life, but If i convert its all good?

wow....really?

GG

Thats what you just said, she converted so anything before that isnt applicable.

He's right though. If I murder a bunch of people and then realize that doing so was a really gakky thing to do and actually, genuinely, repent I'm not a hypocrite for spreading that message.

So its another case of "Do as I say, not as I do"?

**WrentheFaceless**

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Not at all, unless you're claiming that people aren't allowed to change their mind, ever.

People are allowed to change their mind, most certainly. Only issue is when they're hypocrites about it.

**WrentheFaceless**

http://gawker.com/kim-daviss-deputies-agree-to-issue-same-sex-marriage-li-1728569873

Turns out 5 of the 6 clerks agreed to issue licenses durring her incarceration. The only deputy clerk to not agree is, surprise surprise, her son.

**WrentheFaceless**

Steelmage99 wrote:
generalgrog wrote:

The point being.... that Christians are not required to follow laws that contradict clear Biblical teachings.

Are you for real?!?

No ones required to follow the law technically.

Though they should be prepared for consequences if they dont.

**WrentheFaceless**

Ouze wrote:
The crowdfunding is off to a slow start.

From what I was reading, GoFundMe was deleting all attempts for crowdfunding due to their policy of not allowing funds for people to support her due to no funds being allowed for

‘Campaigns in defense of formal charges or claims of heinous crimes, violent, hateful, sexual or discriminatory acts.’