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I run my local club (at school nonetheless) and I had to come up with house rules to make everyones time easier.

-No Eldar. Remove the problem completely. Sorry Eldar players .
-Shower please.
-Do not Rule Lawyer.
-Do not cri errytime you lose.
-Do not give advice to other people while painting/playing PERIOD, even if they ask for it.
-Do not pick up other peoples models IN A GAME.
-Do not complain about cheese.
-Do not bring idiotic proxies.
-Do not trash talk.
-Do not give up in the middle of a game.
-Do not homebrew without my consent (Primarchs,yes all 19 of them including Alpharius and Omegeon, Deathwatch and balanced Land Raider rules I have prepared already.)
-Do not, for the love of GOD, complain about loaded dice because WE ALL USE THE SAME DICE HERE.
-To use a model in a game, you must have at least all colours basecoated, there must be NO UNDERCOAT, RESIN OR PLASTIC SHOWING.
-If you swear, your opponent can make one model SPONTANEOUSLY EXPLODE (2D6" range) with a S10 AP1 hit, that model cannot be used in another game until you come back the next time.
-Do not criticize others painting skill.
-Got a HH character? He dead in the fluff? Can't use him in 40k.
And slightly unrelated(We don't often play WHFB):
-Rebased your Fantasy stuff for AoS? Too bad, back to squares because we dun allow AoS heresy.


Feel free to post your house rules here; I'm interested in what you guys do to work around issues in your local clubs!

There's a whole forum for this called Proposed Rules. This is General Discussion.

OP Your Napoleon complex is showing.

Also removing an entire army is a bit harsh, there are far easier ways to make Eldar fun than removing the army entirely

War Kitten wrote:
Also removing an entire army is a bit harsh, there are far easier ways to make Eldar fun than removing the army entirely

I agree, though Im going to give him the benefit of the doubt and suggest that his local Eldar player or two were TFG who refused to nerf the Eldar Codex so others had a fair chance.

What an awful-sounding club. This is a joke, right?

This has all of the hallmarks of the absolute worst in gaming clubs. Exclusive, shockingly egotistical, contradictory to the point of hypocrisy and far more focused on making the club unbearable for anyone who is not in on it than for growing a gaming community.

I hope for the sake of the players in your area that they have other options.

Thansk for the post rowboat! It can be really hard to make sure people are having a good time, and while I think that you *really* do have everyone's best intentions in mind, there are number of issues with this proposed list. I'll go through them point by point with you.

#1 -No Eldar. Remove the problem completely. Sorry Eldar players .

This rule is really, really harsh. Especially because you're in school. You are effectively saying "we don't want to play with you". Your friends with Eldar likely don't even have the funds to start another army, so this may just force them out of the hobby altogether. If there are some players that play Eldar and are also real jerks, then there's other ways to deal with them. Eldar may be powerful, but they're incredibly different from everything else in the game, and the game would be lesser without them.

#2 -Shower please.

I honestly can't fault this. It's totally true, but shouldn't be a house rule. Take your time and talk to your buddy on the side, while no one notices. It's really embarrassing to hear that you stink. There are some basic and easy hygiene tips to staying stink-free that some people don't know. I literally started keeping wet-tissues nearby because, for awhile, no amount of "wiping" would work by the time the end of the day came.

#3 -Do not Rule Lawyer.

Then how are rules issues disputed? If, however, you mean "don't interrupt someone else's game to correct them on rules", then I agree. Unless those players are asking for such help, of course. It's a complex game after all.

#4 -Do not cry everytime you lose.

Hey, you're growing up still. Some days it doesn't take much to push you over the edge, especially if someone's being a jerk while they play or just DEMOLISHING you after you built yourself up really high. All other points you made that effectively dance around this same issue are going to be answered with "don't be a jerk".

#5 -Do not give advice to other people while painting/playing PERIOD, even if they ask for it.

Again, this should just be "don't interrupt a game", because that's rude. However, if someone asks for help, then you shouldn't be disallowed from giving it. The only exception to this would be tournaments, where you want to fight the person across from you, not them and their four buddies.

#6 -Do not pick up other peoples models IN A GAME.

Nothing wrong with this, so long as you ask permission. If it's something important, permission won't be granted. Again, in tournaments this would be a different story.

#7 -Do not complain about cheese.

Don't be a jerk.

#8 -Do not bring idiotic proxies.

Don't be a jerk. But also, the person disallowing the proxies shouldn't be a jerk either (maybe let them now and then).

#9 -Do not trash talk.

Don't be a jerk.

#10 -Do not give up in the middle of a game.

Don't be a jerk. However, if the game really is unwinnable, don't be a jerk by forcing the game to go on either. It's perfectly reasonable to concede a game.

#11-Do not homebrew without my consent (Primarchs,yes all 19 of them including Alpharius and Omegeon, Deathwatch and balanced Land Raider rules I have prepared already.)

What's this "MY" consent? Should it be the opponent's consent? You're setting yourself up here as the kingpin, the lord of the gamers. You're not - you're a person who is helping to facilitate the enjoyment of others. You want to think of yourself as their slave, not their master.

#12 -Do not, for the love of GOD, complain about loaded dice because WE ALL USE THE SAME DICE HERE.

I'm kind of thinking at this point that you're like the Riddler from Arkham Knight, spewing off an endless number of rules .

Oh... "Don't be a jerk."

#13 -To use a model in a game, you must have at least all colours basecoated, there must be NO UNDERCOAT, RESIN OR PLASTIC SHOWING.

Ummm... why? I know there are a number of Games Workshop stores that do this, because they're advertising the game, and the game looks best when fully painted armies are on the table. But seriously, some people just don't enjoy that part of the hobby. They don't enjoy it so much, they pay others to paint for them! You can't force people not to play for this reason because they're "playing it wrong". Instead, encourage painted armies by doing other things; only post Facebook pictures with painted armies. There are other ways to encourage this. Maybe painting competitions too? Using your painting skills for extra credits with art class?

#14 -If you swear, your opponent can make one model SPONTANEOUSLY EXPLODE (2D6" range) with a S10 AP1 hit, that model cannot be used in another game until you come back the next time.

It's not your job to police bad language. Leave that to the establishment (and even then; consider protesting against it!).

#15 -Do not criticize others painting skill.

Don't be a jerk.

#16 -Got a HH character? He dead in the fluff? Can't use him in 40k.

What? Why? This is a game we're talking about here! And even in 40k, characters can fall through wormholes, get sucked and spit out by the warp in another time, or be resurrected by gods and/or technology! Anything is possible, because it's a story. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PlwDbSYicM is a great video for showing how you can do anything with make-believe stories.

#17 -Rebased your Fantasy stuff for AoS? Too bad, back to squares because we dun allow AoS heresy.

Or you could just say that you're a 40k club instead of coming off as jerks.



I hope this was helpful! Good luck with the club!

Like the idea of the thread and hopefully it will grow into the name the " 'Big' thread of house rules".

That said, some of OP's house rules seem self contradictory. Don't cry when you lose or complain about cheese. BAN ELDAR, ALL ELDAR, NO MATTER WHAT. Huh?

I get the don't offer input on a game even if asked restriction, but don't understand the ban on offering input on painting even if asked. Makes no sense to me unless you are running painting competitions.

"Do not complain about cheese"... remove eldar all together? how does that make sense?

Gwaihirsbrother wrote:
Like the idea of the thread and hopefully it will grow into the name the " 'Big' thread of house rules".

That said, some of OP's house rules seem self contradictory. Don't cry when you lose or complain about cheese. BAN ELDAR, ALL ELDAR, NO MATTER WHAT. Huh?

I get the don't offer input on a game even if asked restriction, but don't understand the ban on offering input on painting even if asked. Makes no sense to me unless you are running painting competitions.

LOL I think he meant, don't give advice to other, he was giving examples of what they might be doing before giving that advice. I hope at least because I always like helpful hints while painting.

Disagree with some of what Yarium is saying. Even if it is not a tournament players shouldn't be pawing models during a game and offering tips. People may not want to sound like a jerk by saying don't touch that, or stop helping my opponent. And even if you are ok with someone touching your models, they shouldn't be doing it if the model is one the board as they may change position and mess up the game in some way. Spectators keep your hands off and don't interfere is a reasonable rule. The only caveat for me is if both players ask for help figuring out a rule.


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 Ghazkuul wrote:

Gwaihirsbrother wrote:
Like the idea of the thread and hopefully it will grow into the name the " 'Big' thread of house rules".

That said, some of OP's house rules seem self contradictory. Don't cry when you lose or complain about cheese. BAN ELDAR, ALL ELDAR, NO MATTER WHAT. Huh?

I get the don't offer input on a game even if asked restriction, but don't understand the ban on offering input on painting even if asked. Makes no sense to me unless you are running painting competitions.

LOL I think he meant, don't give advice to other, he was giving examples of what they might be doing before giving that advice. I hope at least because I always like helpful hints while painting.

If you're painting and someone comes along telling you you are doing it wrong and to do it this way, that could be real annoying. So the rule banning unsolicited painting advice makes sense to me, but if you ask for it there shouldn't be a rule preventing it.

Just saying, I could sum up a lot of these points by just saying don't be a dick. No need for specifics.

With regards to the whole painting rule, and no undercoat, plastic or resin showing, doesn't that contradict Rule 15? Also, what if I play an army with a lot of black or white? Do I need to paint over the black undercoat with black paint? What if there are a lot of black features on the model? I do a bit of Deathwatch, and the most frequent colour on the model is black. Can I not play them at your club?

Also, "my consent"? Why are your homebrews valid, but others aren't? Either disallow homebrews all together, or put the decision down to a majority vote.

The HH/40k rule is kinda stupid too. If two players are playing HH, then they can use whatever they want. Likewise, HH technically shouldn't be playing against 40k armies, especially not Tyranids, Necrons, Tau or any Ork army with any named character. Just let them take what they like, and forge the narrative!

Your school club sounds awful

Erhm. I like the idea of this thread. And I would add to it... but this is just way more fun:

rowboatjellyfanxiii wrote:
I run my local club (at school nonetheless) and I had to come up with house rules to make everyones time easier.

-No Eldar. Remove the problem completely. Sorry Eldar players .
There are Eldar players who never use cheese units. This is just silly. Not all of them are evil (though most are / I'm a Templar, and hate witches).
-Shower please.
What, no baths? And how often? Twice hourly? Should I come in with my bathrobe on? Please tell me you at least have a sauna.
-Do not Rule Lawyer.
Player 1: I get +15 attacks on the charge, due to being cool. Player 2: That's BS, it's here in the book! Player 1: No Rules Lawyering.
-Do not cri errytime you lose.
Ima live with that one
-Do not give advice to other people while painting/playing PERIOD, even if they ask for it.
Why? If someone asks for advice, why not give it. Especially on the painting front. Do you want to see crappy paintjobs everywhere?
-Do not pick up other peoples models IN A GAME.
KK.
-Do not complain about cheese.
Said the guy who banned Eldar. Hypocrites ftw.
-Do not bring idiotic proxies.
But I don't have a real Thunderhawk, I just wanna see what it would be like.
-Do not trash talk.
Yo Mama's so fat- *BANHAMMER*
-Do not give up in the middle of a game.
What if I get almost tabled on T1, and only have 2 IG squads left. That's not a game.
-Do not homebrew without my consent (Primarchs,yes all 19 of them including Alpharius and Omegeon, Deathwatch and balanced Land Raider rules I have prepared already.)
What about if it's "me vs not you"?
-Do not, for the love of GOD, complain about loaded dice because WE ALL USE THE SAME DICE HERE.
They're loaded. There, I said it.
-To use a model in a game, you must have at least all colours basecoated, there must be NO UNDERCOAT, RESIN OR PLASTIC SHOWING.
Eh? "All colours basecoated". Basecoat /is/ undercoat. Also, how do you "basecoat all colours"?
-If you swear, your opponent can make one model SPONTANEOUSLY EXPLODE (2D6" range) with a S10 AP1 hit, that model cannot be used in another game until you come back the next time.
Well that's just racist to the Irishmen of the world.
-Do not criticize others painting skill.
Said the guy who is having two tantrums about painting.
-Got a HH character? He dead in the fluff? Can't use him in 40k.
Why not? It's less heretical than Mattards fluff.
And slightly unrelated(We don't often play WHFB):
-Rebased your Fantasy stuff for AoS? Too bad, back to squares because we dun allow AoS heresy.
Many many people enjoy it. Just because you don't does not mean others should reject it.

Ah. Much better.


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Just noticed this jem:

rowboatjellyfanxiii wrote:
balanced Land Raider rules I have prepared already.

What is this gak? Land Raiders are slightly overcosted, if anything.


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Ah, thought it was you:

rowboatjellyfanxiii wrote:
We have a house rule on Land Raiders;
-Front 14
-Side 12 if it's Crusader or Redeemer
-Side 13 of it's a standard.
-Rear 12 no matter what.

Also, if you have HH stuff, and that Character is dead, (Proper Dead), You can't use him/her/it.

As far as rule lawyering, I agree with that one completely. If you have ever spent any time reading our YMTC forum you will understand there are people trying to get ANY kind of advantage out of poor rules wording. "Well according to this rule in the necron codex is doesn't make my RRP better then a 4+ what it does is i rolled a 2 and then the bonuses made it higher to a 4 so therefore I can have a 2+ RRP."

So yeah, im ok with that rule completely, I doubt he means don't look up rules, more along the lines of don't try to interpret them in any way beyond what they should be.

 curran12 wrote:
What an awful-sounding club. This is a joke, right?

This has all of the hallmarks of the absolute worst in gaming clubs. Exclusive, shockingly egotistical, contradictory to the point of hypocrisy and far more focused on making the club unbearable for anyone who is not in on it than for growing a gaming community.

I hope for the sake of the players in your area that they have other options.

This was my first reaction.

If I was feeling charitable, I might say the house rules were just badly written.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/656197.page#7980108

These are mine, I don't have any jerks in my club, and the only reason to have you custom unit run by me for approval is my friends have made their stuff too expensive before by adding unneeded rules. Checking with the opponent is because they could never have planned for a unit that didn't exist before.

The only house rule I really ever see is the ability to discard maelstrom objectives that, at the start of the game, are impossible to complete (ie: opponent has no psykers, or you have no psykers and draw harness the warp).

If it's turn 6 and you draw hold all objectives, that is to bad for you, though. :(

Lythrandire Biehrellian wrote:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/656197.page#7980108

These are mine, I don't have any jerks in my club, and the only reason to have you custom unit run by me for approval is my friends have made their stuff too expensive before by adding unneeded rules. Checking with the opponent is because they could never have planned for a unit that didn't exist before.

These are a well thought through set of house rules.

We have three.

1. By default, we do not use Mysterious Objectives/Terrain. (If you roll a power/trait that manipulates these, reroll.)
2. By default, when a wound should be randomly allocated, the controlling player may allocate that wound if the squad numbers 6+.
3. Impossible Maelstrom cards may be redrawn.

All three can be done by book with your opponent's consent.

Rowboat, can you tell us where you play, please? Your rules may work for you, but I'd like to steer clear of your club if possible.


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Lythrandire Biehrellian wrote:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/656197.page#7980108

These are mine, I don't have any jerks in my club, and the only reason to have you custom unit run by me for approval is my friends have made their stuff too expensive before by adding unneeded rules. Checking with the opponent is because they could never have planned for a unit that didn't exist before.

Conversely, where do YOU play? A trip out of my way might be in order to use my Hellions and DE characters again!

Hey guys I'm gonna ban Eldar ok, but stop crying about cheese or you'll be banned also.

 ColonelFazackerley wrote:

Lythrandire Biehrellian wrote:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/656197.page#7980108

These are mine, I don't have any jerks in my club, and the only reason to have you custom unit run by me for approval is my friends have made their stuff too expensive before by adding unneeded rules. Checking with the opponent is because they could never have planned for a unit that didn't exist before.

These are a well thought through set of house rules.

Thank you! It has made our games pretty intense, and it is good to see characters with all the bells and whistles because a single lucky shot didn't just invalidate a 60+ point model.

@jimsolo, I live in lake county Ohio, if you're anywhere near there we play a slew of games the second Sunday of every month and my garage/tables are always there for other games you may want to get together. Just gotta let me know first

That's not so far away that I'll never be out that way.

If you're ever in Southern Illinois, hit me up. We play in Marion.

Will do!

Yay. People starting to add house rules instead of just piling on OP.

There may be some context which makes his house rules somewhat more reasonable. It seems to me that it is a younger group and perhaps most of those involved have very little if any experience in the game. If he is the most experienced player and the other's trust him enough to task him with developing the rules, maybe the other players need the admittedly heavy handed to stop them from homebrewing something like "my special marine troops all have 2++++ invulnerables, toughness 8, s8 and their bolters are S6 rending, small blast, AP2, assault3, 36" for 30 points because that is how they are in the fluff and it would be cool".

Not saying I agree with everything even if giving the most generous benefit of the doubt, but some of the heavy handed stuff may be reasonable in the right contest. With more experience in the group, assuming it is an inexperienced group, it should probably change though.

Our house rules:

#1 - We ask if we're playing with Mysterious Objectives or Night. If anyone wants them, then we use them, or in the case of Night roll for it. Otherwise, neither are in effect. (Usually no one wants these, but sometimes when we want full-random we do)

#2 - Whoever rolls highest for choosing deployment zones is also counted as having rolled highest going first. Just speeds things up.

#3 - We always tell each other if there's going to be a super-heavy or a formation coming to the table. Generally that's always, but it just feels like a common curtsey.

 Yarium wrote:

#2 - Whoever rolls highest for choosing deployment zones is also counted as having rolled highest going first. Just speeds things up.

This one's a rule already

The only ones I know of (and while I do not agree with all of these, I do abide by them).
1. If you draw a Maelstrom Objective, that you would not have been able to complete at the start of the game (eg "harness the warp" when you have no psykers in your army) you can immediately discard and draw a new objective. You cannot utilise this if you would have been able to accomplish it on an earlier turn. For example, if you bring a Librarian and he dies, and then you draw Harness the Warp, you must keep it (but can discard it as normal).
2. Witchfire powers that do not have profiles (including Focussed Witchfire), roll a single To Hit roll. If it misses, the power fails to go off.

Yeah that's pretty much it.

Oh yeah, another set of houserules I have are the vehicle and monstrous creature design rules linked in my signature.

There are a couple of point discrepancies in regards to weapons, that was intentional and deliberate. You will see the suggested point total from games workshop in parenthesis if there is one.

Hope you guys enjoy

 Yarium wrote:
Our house rules:

#1 - We ask if we're playing with Mysterious Objectives or Night. If anyone wants them, then we use them, or in the case of Night roll for it. Otherwise, neither are in effect. (Usually no one wants these, but sometimes when we want full-random we do)

Wow yeah, I guess this is not an explicit rule book rule, it must have been at one time though right (oh how the editions stack up).

 Yarium wrote:
#3 - We always tell each other if there's going to be a super-heavy or a formation coming to the table. Generally that's always, but it just feels like a common curtsey.

We did this for a while with fliers and then with super heavies, then with the knight and now not so much.

So our only actually agreed upon house rules at the moment are:

1. We run one of the three Nova missions from the current year's tournament at random (or agree on one).
2. Instead of re-random wound allocation we roll the to wounds on separate colored dice for each model, I still think this is close enough to the same result and much easier, even with polyhedrals widely available.
3. Barrage and Blasts in ruins or other multilevel terrain work the way they did in the last printed explanation.

We have some proposals that we talked about, but there are many issues. Mostly one of our players is considerably better at the game than the rest of us, and he views additional rules as a distraction from improvement of generalship. I certainly see his point, but would still like to have a list similar to Lythrandire such that we can run fluffy stuff from time to time without it pre-deciding the game. Also it would be great to have access to Last Chancers, or Genesteeler Cults, or various forgeworld units that need a faq.
Still, I think that at our current play level that I can understand the position that our group should not be producing the FAQ or update that makes Thousand Sons playable again.