Anyone else really like Regeneration/IWND abilities?

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**vipoid**

For some reason, I really hate my characters taking wounds and having no way to regain them. So, I really like IWND and similar abilities that let models regenerate wounds.

Anyway, I'm just curious as to whether anyone else feels this way?

Or am I just weird?

**Ashiraya**

No, I agree, it is very nice.

Of course, I don't think it has ever been relevant (my Defiler usually dies in one round of shooting and Lorgar does fairly well without it) but it's nice to have.

**HoundsofDemos**

Had a game where my librarian perils four times but would get the wound back the next turn. Rolling was hot that game, though he was probably thoroughly corrupted by the end of game.

**Jimsolo**

I make frequent use of Grotesques. IWND and FNP are two of my favorite abilities.

**saithor**

How I wish my IG HQs could get IWND or equivlanat. I can get them a medkit, but it's another 5+ save that rarely ever works in a faction of the 5+ save. *sigh* It can be dissapointing when the great strategist of Cadia goes done to a kriffin tac marine.

**War Kitten**

I like IWND when I can get it, it rarely works for me, but when it does it's quite handy

**godardc**

I hate these... To see all your work going to ashes because you opponent rolls well is pretty annoying/disapointing

**HoundsofDemos**

isn't there an IG relic that grants IWND

**ChiliPowderKeg**

I find it refreshing to return to CSM and use plague marines only to see that a unit of 7men doesn't get immediately removed from the table in 1 round of shooting.

War Kitten wrote:

godardc wrote:

Doppelgangers!

**BlaxicanX**

I've never actually gotten a wound back from it, too unlucky I guess.

It's one of the more fairly balanced mechanics in the game, I think. Right on the cusp before GW went full-slow.

**Quanar**

The trick is actually remembering to roll for it, at least in my gaming circle.

**Drasius**

I find it's usually a waste as things are usually a binary state of full health or exploded, with very little room in between. The odd game that it does work can be invaluable though.

On an Iron Hand Centurion Sarge, it's rarely going to be noticed.

On a Chaos Forgefiend, it will occassionally come into play, but definately nothing to be relied upon.

On an Imperial Knight, you are either facing a hard counter or you're going to be stomping face, again, facing the binary situation of either being at full hull points or a crater, though it wouldn't be the first time that a knight was left stomping face with 1 HP after reagaining one from IWND.

**Frozocrone**

I like the concept, but I find in experience that anything with Regen/ITWD is focused on so you don't make use of the points.

**KharnsRightHand**

It's saved my Heldrake's bacon on a couple of occasions, I like it.

**Ir0njack**

I like running the Cohort Cybenetica with IWND, the Kastelans are in that sweet spot of being dangerous and tough enough to survive most shooting directed at them, but usually less of a priority than the breachers or destroyers so they arnt being drown in fire.

As for my guard, I think it's the deathmask that gives IWND but for guardsmen its not that great as they just don't have wounds or toughness to make it worth the investment.

**Selym**

HoundsofDemos wrote:
isn't there an IG relic that grants IWND

To a T3 5+ save dude who'll never get to use it, due to being hit by a Str 6+ weapon

IG never get anything out of IWND.

**jreilly89**

Super cool. It just works about 33% of the time.

**TheAvengingKnee**

It is very nice, if I could ever succeed on my rolls.

**DoomShakaLaka**

IWND is a cool thing to have, but aside from gaining one HP back on a stormraven back in 6th the only one that has ever benefited from hit in my games has been Smash-Fether and even then only about two or three times ever.

**Freytag93**

33% of the time, it works every time

**Jayden63**

I actually hate them. Useful or not. There are too many saves in 40k as it is. One of the best blessings that came from when 2nd ed changed to third ed. Was the removal of multiple saves. You get one chance to save be it armor, cover, or Inv. Hope it works.all multiple saves do is slow down the game.

It's a war game. Stuff needs to die and stay dead so the game can move on. Ask anyone who plays against necrons. Playing against an army that doesnt die over and over isnt fun.

**Slayer-Fan123**

At the same time, that would make you wonder why that single Plasma shot went through Lysander's Storm Shield, Iron Halo, AND Terminator armor. I get it for simplicity's sake, but come on...

**vipoid**

Jayden63 wrote:
I actually hate them. Useful or not. There are too many saves in 40k as it is. One of the best blessings that came from when 2nd ed changed to third ed. Was the removal of multiple saves. You get one chance to save be it armor, cover, or Inv. Hope it works.all multiple saves do is slow down the game.

It's a war game. Stuff needs to die and stay dead so the game can move on. Ask anyone who plays against necrons. Playing against an army that doesnt die over and over isnt fun.

I get what you're saying, but I think it would be better to look at actual saves rather than IWND.

I think stuff like FNP, Necro-no-Pain, 2+ armour, rerollable invulnerable saves and such are much more of a problem in terms of stuff not dying.

**The Wise Dane**

I love'em. I've tried to persuade my local Necron player that he'd have a lot more fun if his army revolved around raising dead models, rather than ignoring them outright, but so far, no luck xD

There are really few items that give that ability, too. I'd kinda think that Orks or Blood Angels would have it, somehow.

**Jayden63**

vipoid wrote:
Jayden63 wrote:
I actually hate them. Useful or not. There are too many saves in 40k as it is. One of the best blessings that came from when 2nd ed changed to third ed. Was the removal of multiple saves. You get one chance to save be it armor, cover, or Inv. Hope it works.all multiple saves do is slow down the game.

It's a war game. Stuff needs to die and stay dead so the game can move on. Ask anyone who plays against necrons. Playing against an army that doesnt die over and over isnt fun.

I get what you're saying, but I think it would be better to look at actual saves rather than IWND.

I think stuff like FNP, Necro-no-Pain, 2+ armour, rerollable invulnerable saves and such are much more of a problem in terms of stuff not dying.

Things like FNP and IWND are awesome rules for scripted sinerio based games. Like say Space Hulk. There its awesome where specific models have to do battle with other fairly specific models. But in a game where any model can show up, it is just impossible to accurately point its impact on the game, positive or negatively.

**eskimo**

Shame Regen isn't worth it for Nids as i like IWND. It's a good excuse to taunt your enemy, but in a balanced non-eldurrr kinda way

**Furyou Miko**

The Wise Dane wrote:
I love'em. I've tried to persuade my local Necron player that he'd have a lot more fun if his army revolved around raising dead models, rather than ignoring them outright, but so far, no luck xD

There are really few items that give that ability, too. I'd kinda think that Orks or Blood Angels would have it, somehow.

Tell him that as a Necron player, I agree with you: We'll be Back was much cooler than Resurrection Protocols, and resulted in far more disbelieving swearing on the parts of my opponents. Now they just take it in stride as an 'eh'.

**The Wise Dane**

Furyou Miko wrote:
The Wise Dane wrote:
I love'em. I've tried to persuade my local Necron player that he'd have a lot more fun if his army revolved around raising dead models, rather than ignoring them outright, but so far, no luck xD

There are really few items that give that ability, too. I'd kinda think that Orks or Blood Angels would have it, somehow.

Tell him that as a Necron player, I agree with you: We'll be Back was much cooler than Resurrection Protocols, and resulted in far more disbelieving swearing on the parts of my opponents. Now they just take it in stride as an 'eh'.

I'd take it farther than We'll Be Back, though . Just rolling a flat IWND is kinda cool, but what if the army revolved around certain models (Lords) made models within his reach regenerate, with some gear being able to boost that or make it work differently? Sort of like Vampire Counts combined with the Iron Legion from Avengers: Age of Ultron - The leader characters are tough as nails, but also needed to keep the army trekking along.

I'd properbly never get through with it, though... He still tries to convince me that Necrons are one of the weaker codeces...

**Selym**

Just wave the IG, BA and CSM dexes in his face.

**The Wise Dane**

Selym wrote:
Just wave the IG, BA and CSM dexes in his face.

Dontchu worry, I play Orks and we have two IG players. Then again, he mostly plays the Eldar and Space Marine player, who I must say gang up on him in a pretty brutal manner. He plays fluffy (marching colums of Warriors) too, so maybe that has something to do with it.