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Hey All,

I'm a DA player who goes mostly pure Ravenwing these days, though this weekend I was looking at my Deathwing models and remembered how sweet they were. I would really like to put together a semicompetative list utilizing more terminators in conjunction with my Bikes.

The problem with terminators the way I see it is they are so expensive and bring a minimal amount of fire power. DW knights are awesome but they don't move around the board very fast and have no ranged capabilities if you can't chase someone down.

I guess what I am asking here is what is the best load out for a regular Termy squad? do they work best by keeping them shooty? Assault cannons? Cyclone missle launcher?


Side question, Grey Knight terminators are cheaper, have more utility, can come in turn 1 with no scatter using my bikes, and I could bring a dread knight as well. Would I be better off allying with Grey Knights rather than Deathwing?

This thread has been done to death. There really is no way to make 2+ T4 W1 infantry work in 7th. There are too many weapons that kill them death or attrition them out. Paying for the powerfists is just murder.

Grey knights... the only terminators that are worth it

 Tactical_Spam wrote:
Grey knights... the only terminators that are worth it

Even that's debateable.

 Tactical_Spam wrote:
Grey knights... the only terminators that are worth it

That was kinda what I was thinking too. Instead of deathwing I'd bring a couple of Grey Knight terminators, a GK libby, and a Dread Knight.


Do you think that would be much more viable?

Play Zone Mortalis. They absolutely kick arse in boarding actions. As they should.

GK terminators are pretty amazing. I like doing one squad and then a Paladin Squad with a libby for each. It gets gak done.

LunaWolvesLoyalist wrote:
GK terminators are pretty amazing. I like doing one squad and then a Paladin Squad with a libby for each. It gets gak done.

I usually see squads like this die under a sea of grav/D/scatterlaser/plasma/IA fire.

I still use terminators every now and then. Here's how you want to do it.

Chaplain
assault terminators, 4 w/ TH/SS and 1 with LC
2 Astra Militarum Priests.
Inquisitor w/ ordo hereticus and whatever grenades you can buy
in Land Raider

So the Ordo hereticus on the Inquisitor will (on a roll of 1-10) allow you to scout your Land Raider 12" forward.

This gets you halfway across the field and closer to enemies so that even if you get immobilized or wrecked, you are still close enough to get in the fight on foot.

Land raider is assault vehicle. So with that scout, you are guaranteed a 2nd turn charge. Once in close combat you can use the Priests' Hymns to reroll failed armor/invuln saves, and failed to-wound rolls. So with the chaplain you are already re-rolling to-hits but with the priests, you pretty much get to reroll everything. And yes, that means a 2+ rerollable armor save on all the termies.

Fun note, if you go Blood Angels you can add a Sanguinary Priest to the unit and give them FNP.

You can give them FnP regardless of BA faction or not.

Priest does give make them WS5 though if they are BA.

it doesnt really happen im sorry if your wanting to be competitive, if your in a casual setting they can sometimes be okay especially against other marines and certain xenos armies like orks and even dark eldar.

beyond them...ummm... space hulk?

The problem is they're a half melee unit half that goes last and a half shooty unit that doesn't shoot to well

That said they do still punch things like MC to death REAL quickly but they're pretty average vs cheaper squads

If you are trying to make straight SM marines good, not many ways to do it. The Strike Force Ultra Dataslate, not the one in the new Codex, works pretty well for it since you are basically getting free bonuses. and only need 10 Termies and a landraider.

Scouts can make Terminators a little better if you have the homing beacon. If you can get "Move through cover" on them from the warlord trait, you can DS in to terrain safely which makes Tac Termies a bit more durable.

TH/SS terminators are still pretty good-

But you need to have a solid list that they fit in.

i like to run termies in fun games
the only semi-competitive games i play termies in are either a deathwing knight deathstar, or in really high point games when having a bunch of firepower appear wherever you want can be useful and the points for it dont matter all that much

They have issues but not nearly as worthless as many people like to make them look.

For my Dark Angels, I have used a sort of mini-deathstar with Deathwing Knights before. Basically take a regular squad of 5 knights, add an Interrogator-chaplain (he doesn't necessarily have to have terminator armor) and Ezekiel, and give them a Land Raider Crusader/Redeemer. Ezekiel gives the whole unit +1 attack, and the Chappy gives them rerolls to hit on the first round of combat. I wouldn't recommend this for tournament play as it is a SLOW unit, but it is fun, especially if you have Ezekiel run Interromancy and/or Telepathy (Righteous Repugnance from Interromancy can give the unit yet another attack on the charge, and Invis, well, 'nuff said!).

 ZergSmasher wrote:
For my Dark Angels, I have used a sort of mini-deathstar with Deathwing Knights before. Basically take a regular squad of 5 knights, add an Interrogator-chaplain (he doesn't necessarily have to have terminator armor) and Ezekiel, and give them a Land Raider Crusader/Redeemer. Ezekiel gives the whole unit +1 attack, and the Chappy gives them rerolls to hit on the first round of combat. I wouldn't recommend this for tournament play as it is a SLOW unit, but it is fun, especially if you have Ezekiel run Interromancy and/or Telepathy (Righteous Repugnance from Interromancy can give the unit yet another attack on the charge, and Invis, well, 'nuff said!).

when i do that i personally like to make it the dark angels librarius conclave for that little more psychic punch

 Icculus wrote:
I still use terminators every now and then. Here's how you want to do it.

Chaplain
assault terminators, 4 w/ TH/SS and 1 with LC
2 Astra Militarum Priests.
Inquisitor w/ ordo hereticus and whatever grenades you can buy
in Land Raider

So the Ordo hereticus on the Inquisitor will (on a roll of 1-10) allow you to scout your Land Raider 12" forward.

This gets you halfway across the field and closer to enemies so that even if you get immobilized or wrecked, you are still close enough to get in the fight on foot.

Land raider is assault vehicle. So with that scout, you are guaranteed a 2nd turn charge. Once in close combat you can use the Priests' Hymns to reroll failed armor/invuln saves, and failed to-wound rolls. So with the chaplain you are already re-rolling to-hits but with the priests, you pretty much get to reroll everything. And yes, that means a 2+ rerollable armor save on all the termies.

Fun note, if you go Blood Angels you can add a Sanguinary Priest to the unit and give them FNP.

It's still assault in 7th ed. And that's a huge amount of points.

Sunstripe wrote:
Hey All,

I'm a DA player who goes mostly pure Ravenwing these days, though this weekend I was looking at my Deathwing models and remembered how sweet they were. I would really like to put together a semicompetative list utilizing more terminators in conjunction with my Bikes.

The problem with terminators the way I see it is they are so expensive and bring a minimal amount of fire power. DW knights are awesome but they don't move around the board very fast and have no ranged capabilities if you can't chase someone down.

I guess what I am asking here is what is the best load out for a regular Termy squad? do they work best by keeping them shooty? Assault cannons? Cyclone missle launcher?


Side question, Grey Knight terminators are cheaper, have more utility, can come in turn 1 with no scatter using my bikes, and I could bring a dread knight as well. Would I be better off allying with Grey Knights rather than Deathwing?

I have had an inordinate amount of success beating up on Deathwing armies. I don't mean beating them by games end. I mean pounding them. I don't know what it is, since they ar5e so doughty but when War Convocations can sling as much AP 2 death as they can and what not... 2+ armor just really isn't what it once was unless coupled with high Toughness such as what Chaos Terminators can achieve.

I consider myself to be a pretty inventive guy but I have seen no good way to actually make a Deathwing army work on its own. Now when you look at adding a contingent to other forces, the synergy works a ton better and since that is what you want to know, let me ask you:

Do you mean struictly speaking Terminators? Or are you willing to entertain the Knights that carry the mauls? How many points are you dedicating to the contingent?

What has always crushed terminators is their to slow. They want to be in combat but getting there requires expensive assault vehicles. If there was a cheap assault vehicle available to Marines they would be more usable. Unfortunately GW has decided that they want assault to be harder than ever and for infantry its often not worth it.

Martel732 wrote:

 Icculus wrote:
I still use terminators every now and then. Here's how you want to do it.

Chaplain
assault terminators, 4 w/ TH/SS and 1 with LC
2 Astra Militarum Priests.
Inquisitor w/ ordo hereticus and whatever grenades you can buy
in Land Raider

So the Ordo hereticus on the Inquisitor will (on a roll of 1-10) allow you to scout your Land Raider 12" forward.

This gets you halfway across the field and closer to enemies so that even if you get immobilized or wrecked, you are still close enough to get in the fight on foot.

Land raider is assault vehicle. So with that scout, you are guaranteed a 2nd turn charge. Once in close combat you can use the Priests' Hymns to reroll failed armor/invuln saves, and failed to-wound rolls. So with the chaplain you are already re-rolling to-hits but with the priests, you pretty much get to reroll everything. And yes, that means a 2+ rerollable armor save on all the termies.

Fun note, if you go Blood Angels you can add a Sanguinary Priest to the unit and give them FNP.

It's still assault in 7th ed. And that's a huge amount of points.

Oh it's an absurd amount of points. But the question was, how do you make Terminators work. And thats really the answer, spend a ton of points on them and ally in 2 different codices to get some cool buffs and tricks.

 Jancoran wrote:

Sunstripe wrote:
Hey All,

I'm a DA player who goes mostly pure Ravenwing these days, though this weekend I was looking at my Deathwing models and remembered how sweet they were. I would really like to put together a semicompetative list utilizing more terminators in conjunction with my Bikes.

The problem with terminators the way I see it is they are so expensive and bring a minimal amount of fire power. DW knights are awesome but they don't move around the board very fast and have no ranged capabilities if you can't chase someone down.

I guess what I am asking here is what is the best load out for a regular Termy squad? do they work best by keeping them shooty? Assault cannons? Cyclone missle launcher?


Side question, Grey Knight terminators are cheaper, have more utility, can come in turn 1 with no scatter using my bikes, and I could bring a dread knight as well. Would I be better off allying with Grey Knights rather than Deathwing?

I have had an inordinate amount of success beating up on Deathwing armies. I don't mean beating them by games end. I mean pounding them. I don't know what it is, since they ar5e so doughty but when War Convocations can sling as much AP 2 death as they can and what not... 2+ armor just really isn't what it once was unless coupled with high Toughness such as what Chaos Terminators can achieve.

I consider myself to be a pretty inventive guy but I have seen no good way to actually make a Deathwing army work on its own. Now when you look at adding a contingent to other forces, the synergy works a ton better and since that is what you want to know, let me ask you:

Do you mean struictly speaking Terminators? Or are you willing to entertain the Knights that carry the mauls? How many points are you dedicating to the contingent?

Do you mean the DW Knights? Yeah of course I'd consider them. I think they are the coolest unit in the Dex. Pointswise I am flexible, though I think its better to keep Ravenwing as the focus.

Honestly right now I am leaning towards Grey Knight allies. Drop a couple of termie squads + librarian, and a DreadKnight on turn one. Cheaper than DW, batteries for psychic powers, and brings a MC. Whats not to love?

I've had a moderate amount of success with assault termies. For you though I would look into Deathwing Knights. Those guys are murderous when they get to combat. T5 when base to base makes them really hard to shift.

Sunstripe wrote:

Do you mean the DW Knights? Yeah of course I'd consider them. I think they are the coolest unit in the Dex. Pointswise I am flexible, though I think its better to keep Ravenwing as the focus.

Honestly right now I am leaning towards Grey Knight allies. Drop a couple of termie squads + librarian, and a DreadKnight on turn one. Cheaper than DW, batteries for psychic powers, and brings a MC. Whats not to love?

Hard to argue. I also play Grey Knights. I am not as sold on their Terminators as much as their Paladins, but the DreadKnight is very sexy indeed.

The Knights are also one of my favorites. Given that the Termies may not survive, in small units to do damage for the entire game they can, nonetheless, put an absolutely horrendous hurting on SOMETHING good before they say good night. Those things made me really love that codex even though I totally respect Ravenwing more.

If you went with Grey Knights, there would be less bitching about including the stuff like the inquisitor and/or Priests. Added bonus.

Does Belial allow perfect Deep Striking for ANY Terminator squad he's in, or just Dark Angels ones?

It would be a cutesy idea to throw him in a Paladin squad with an Apothecary and stuff, and Deep Strike them T2 or 3 and unleash Psycannons and stuff I guess.
It's only cutesy though for a reason.

Termies suck in competitive or semi competitive environment. I run Grey Knights and I find that you either have to resolve to NSF in order to take a chance to deepstrike, or you have to resolve in a Stormraven or even worse a Land raider in order to deliver termies where they are supposed to be. They lack the appropriate shooting, although psycannon is still good on them and they lack the appropriate CC punch. If you upgrade them into paladins then you are making the cost problem even worse :(

Tyrant siege terminators are pretty awesome IMHO.

 Tactical_Spam wrote:
Grey knights... the only terminators that are worth it

Do not forget CSM termicide. They are playable (maybe because CSM have no drop pods).

Csm terminators are good. They don't have a plephora of special rules like their royal counterparts but they come in squads of 3 and with combi-weapons. Yep, and csm don't have cheap effective toys like grav and pods.