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Are Chaos Chosen still in CSM codex? I don't see them anywhere on GW website but they come in the DV starter set. Are the rules for them only in the box set?

Yes, they are still in the Codex. I don't think you could buy them separately off of the GW site, just in the Dark Vengeance box set.

They never had models. The ones on DV are the only "official" chosen.

There is no chosen box you can buy from GW. The good news is that you can pick them up from ebay pretty cheap

yeah thats where I was seeing them but I didn't want to buy any if they werent even in the codex. My wife likes the way the CSM look and I was gunna send her something while I am away from home but wanted to make sure if she ever did want to do more than paint that she could actually use the models as well. I know CSM are in a bad place right now as one of the weakest armies in the game and it doesn't help that i already play the strongest army in the game but I feel like anything we can do together is a good experience anyways.

Chosen aren't defined by a "look" per se, they're basically just CSM veterans with an extended options list. Therefore the easiest thing to do is grab a CSM Tactical Squad and rummage around in your bits box for the relevant special/CCW options.

Not a big fan of this? Then go nuts, there's a lot of 3rd party options for CSM, and faction specific bits if they're going to be marked, which can easily be kitbashed with nearly every CSM and SM kit in the range.

For instance, I'm doing Emperor's Children and using a lot of SM Sternguard bits, as the fact that there's Aquilas everywhere makes sense on them.

Well I play Eldar so my bits dont exactly fit fit with the chaos theme. I am away from home for now and wanted to get her started by sending her some models as a surprise is all. She likes to help me paint my stuff so I figure I could get her her own stuff and that might be a way we can bond more.

Well, if you really love her, you could send her some Heresy weapons packs.

Lol well if she picks chaos i will probably get hera Sicaran or 2.

In all seriousness though, if my partner bought me some of these as a gift, I'd let them do "things" to me...

http://evilcraft.eu/product/chaos-squad/

Probably the best example outside of the DV box of that particular aesthetic, but totally modular so they can be equipped for decent utility in game.

the price is what kills me though... 45 USD before overseas shipping for 5 models...

Chosen are garbage anyway.

Fancy them up and just use them as Noise or Plague Marines.

Shipping aside, that's the same price as GW's main plastic 5 man Space Marine boxes, give or take, and I generally don't mind paying extra for the right thing, but I appreciate it probably doesnt stack up well to the plastic DV Chosen off eBay!

Don't know if there's any US based stockists (you flag threw me.) Might be worth a Google?





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Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Chosen are garbage anyway.

Fancy them up and just use them as Noise or Plague Marines.

Yeah, cause that's the fething point.

Yeah i am away from home for a few months. Originally I am in the US. Also GW Chaos space marines are 10 for $40. if I were to go with chosen i would probably get them off ebay as they are pretty dirt cheap. I do however like the look of those marines you posted. It gives that basic troop a little more flavor on their armor as the GW chaos marines don't look much different than loyalist marines. If they weren't an arm and a leg I would probably get some (the sicarans will already be an arm and a leg on top of that anyways).


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Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Chosen are garbage anyway.

Fancy them up and just use them as Noise or Plague Marines.

Lol i never wanted to get them because they are good. They look amazing as models. I have howling banshee squads and swooping hawks and storm guardians. None of these units are amazing either but I like the way they look anyways.

Close Combat chosen are silly, IMHO. But loading them up with special weapons and hopping them out of a Dreadclaw Drop Pod would be a fun way of fielding them.

Expensive as gak, though. Cheaper to run 2x termi-cide squads.

Kronk's pretty spot on there.

Next best to the dreadclaw would obviously be the rhino - but that's not a particularly efficient way to do it! I've always felt that the chosen, while very nice models, are the handicapped cousins of the Sternguard

 Azreal13 wrote:
In all seriousness though, if my partner bought me some of these as a gift, I'd let them do "things" to me...

http://evilcraft.eu/product/chaos-squad/

Probably the best example outside of the DV box of that particular aesthetic, but totally modular so they can be equipped for decent utility in game.

Oh, these have been on my wishlist for ages. They are magnificent looking beasts. The sorcerer model they have as well is wonderful. Shame there aren't any state-side suppliers yet (that I know of). Alas, one day...

 Wulfmar wrote:
Kronk's pretty spot on there.

Next best to the dreadclaw would obviously be the rhino - but that's not a particularly efficient way to do it! I've always felt that the chosen, while very nice models, are the handicapped cousins of the Sternguard

In my head, they're best with maximum special weapons. The problem is delivery. Which is Codex: Chaos Space Marines personified, simplified, and summarized.

Ipso facto El Sucko adnausium.

(spelling intentionally left gakky)

Aye indeed.

I used a squad all armed with meltas in a rhino once as we don't play with FW stuff. I'm still awaiting a vox update to tell me they arrived in the enemy deployment zone

A chaos marine is a chaos marine.

If chosen got wiped from the codex tomorrow the models still wouldn't be invalidated because a chosen is essentially just somewhere between a line CSM trooper and an aspiring champion.

i.e. worse case scenario the models could be used as basic CSM, champions (or even lords, sorcerors, plague marines, etc, etc).

It's a gribbly space marine in power armour. Don't worry about the models being invalidated! Even if chaos get 'squatted' El Wifey can just run em as space marines :p.

 Wulfmar wrote:
Kronk's pretty spot on there.

Next best to the dreadclaw would obviously be the rhino - but that's not a particularly efficient way to do it! I've always felt that the chosen, while very nice models, are the handicapped cousins of the Sternguard

The problem with Chosen is that they've remained exactly the same rules-wise since 2007!

At the time, Loyalists didn't have Sternguard or Vanguard, just basic 'Veterans' who could take a special weapon + heavy weapon/specialist close combat weapon & a shiny Veteran Skill.
Chosen were actually on a level slightly above, even if they were still overcosted gak.

Problem is that Chaos in general is still stuck in 4th edition, while everyone else is playing 7th/7.5ed...

The only reason Chosen even see potential play is because we have no real use for our Elites slot in general, and Havocs are competing with Oblits/Vindies/Maulerfiends for slots.
Otherwise, Havocs do everything Chosen do, (spam special weapons), but cheaper!

nareik wrote:
A chaos marine is a chaos marine.

If chosen got wiped from the codex tomorrow the models still wouldn't be invalidated because a chosen is essentially just somewhere between a line CSM trooper and an aspiring champion.

Yeah, in the end, the Chosen are just extra-mutatey Chaos Marines. They could be integrated into an existing squad and nobody would even blink. Those models will never be invalidated so long as Chaos Marines still exist.

I usually include one squad of Draznicht's Ravagers as to bring plasma chosen with PE. I do enjoy the Crimson Slaughter supplement.

 Wulfmar wrote:
Aye indeed.

I used a squad all armed with meltas in a rhino once as we don't play with FW stuff. I'm still awaiting a vox update to tell me they arrived in the enemy deployment zone

Isn't that what Havoc's are for though?
Really presses the point of how much chosen are a pointless unit as they are right now.

Chaos Chosen are amazing

Chosen can take combi-plasmaguns and havocs can't.
1 Chosen with combi-plasma cost same as 1 havoc with plasmagun, but with no added 10 pts for Champion.

They also have 3 attacks base and everyone is Ld9, not only champion. So if they got to enemy on their Rhino they shoot their plasmaguns at something and next turn if they are not blasted to bits they charge 4 attacks each.

And they don't give enemy VP for killing Heavy support in Big guns never tire mission.

Oh and they can be made Troops with Abaddon (also giving them Preferred enemy: loyalists when within 12")

Dude, combi-plasma is not as good as a plasma. there is no reason to take a combi when you can take a full plasma.

And while havocs pay for a leader, chosen pay more for every dude to begin with. minimal chosen with 4 combi-plasma is 140, minimum havocs with 4 plasmas is 135. a bit cheaper-and the distance gets bigger if you take bullet catchers.

The Ld difference can be covered by VotOW. and they still don't out-price the chosen (and have even better LD while the champion is alive)


Beyond that if you are a gun unit, the extra attacks hardly matter. I mean, it IS triple the attacks, but still mere bare marine attacks, and you'll probably grenade it in CC anyway and the bonus is lost, you would find yourself in a hopeless fight against a true CC unit, or be in a slap fight.
You DO NOT want to CC a gunner chosen squad. they are not as incompetent as your average CSM. but they are not the goal.



Chosen as special weapon platform is dubious at best. its better than havocs at some niches, but does not truly justify a unit entry. and as power weapon platforms, you cost already more than a terminator. so its also dobvius.

Chosen, as they are, are a unit that serves little to no purpose. they need to have their own "thing" beyond just packing a gakload of equipment.

 BoomWolf wrote:
Dude, combi-plasma is not as good as a plasma. there is no reason to take a combi when you can take a full plasma.

And while havocs pay for a leader, chosen pay more for every dude to begin with. minimal chosen with 4 combi-plasma is 140, minimum havocs with 4 plasmas is 135. a bit cheaper-and the distance gets bigger if you take bullet catchers.

The Ld difference can be covered by VotOW. and they still don't out-price the chosen (and have even better LD while the champion is alive)


Beyond that if you are a gun unit, the extra attacks hardly matter. I mean, it IS triple the attacks, but still mere bare marine attacks, and you'll probably grenade it in CC anyway and the bonus is lost, you would find yourself in a hopeless fight against a true CC unit, or be in a slap fight.
You DO NOT want to CC a gunner chosen squad. they are not as incompetent as your average CSM. but they are not the goal.



Chosen as special weapon platform is dubious at best. its better than havocs at some niches, but does not truly justify a unit entry. and as power weapon platforms, you cost already more than a terminator. so its also dobvius.

Chosen, as they are, are a unit that serves little to no purpose. they need to have their own "thing" beyond just packing a gakload of equipment.

If they were more akin to Wolfguard, while paying the same costs that Vanguards now pay for their specialist close combat gear, they'd be useable.

As E 626 mentioned, being in the elite slot instead of the over-crowded Heavy Support section helps chosen a lot if you want a shooty build.

My problem with them will remain the lack of a delivery device. A drop pod would be nice.

To the OP, if you want to make your own chaosy-looking chosen, mix some of the possessed Space Marine bits into your chosen squad(s).

These look pretty sweet to me.

How many turns of shooting do we expect chosen to get? If you are rushing forward in a rhino T1, disembarking to rapid fire T2 and maybe assaulting in T3?

Also, can't you fit more special weapons into a chosen squad than even havocs?

Well my wife is still deciding which faction she wants to play anyways. She never did like ranged combat in games very much as she always plays a melee class in all the games we play together.

Regardless of what faction she decides I will throw in any model it takes for the army to be decent to play with. So if that means Sicaras Tanks for Chaos, or Centurions for Space Marines or lots of big monsters for Tyranids she will get what she needs.

For this purpose it is also more than just picking the best stuff as well. For us this will be something we can bond over which is ultimately the goal. In every apocalypse game I will be playing on her side, and if I play her 1v1 in games then I will tone down the list.If she wants to play with Chaos Chosen then I will play with Banshees or striking scorpions.