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WASHINGTON (AP) — Congress is on the verge of ordering young women to register for a military draft for the first time in history, touching off outrage among social conservatives who fear the move is another step toward blurring gender lines.

The female draft requirement, approved late Thursday by the Senate Armed Services Committee, could be as heated as the divisive debate over what public lavatories and locker rooms transgender people should use.

Opponents of expanding the draft may be unable to halt the momentum in favor of lifting the exclusion, which was triggered by the Pentagon's decision late last year to open all front-line combat jobs to women. After gender restrictions to military service were erased, the top uniformed officers in each of the military branches expressed support during congressional testimony for including women in a potential draft.

The Senate Armed Services Committee added a provision to its version of the annual defense policy bill that calls for women to sign up with the Selective Service within 30 days of turning 18 — just as men are — beginning in January 2018, according to a summary of the legislation released by the committee.

The House Armed Services Committee narrowly adopted a provision to its bill late last month to include women in Selective Service.

"This is a highly consequential — and, for many American families, a deeply controversial — decision that deserves to be resolved by Congress after a robust and transparent debate in front of the American people, instead of buried in an embargoed document that is passed every year to fund military pay and benefits," said Sen. Mike Lee, R-Utah, one of three Senate Armed Services Committee members who voted against the policy bill.

Conservative columnist Daniel Horowitz wrote of the "consequences of completely eradicating the self-evident truth and science of the two sexes."

The full House is expected to take up its version of the legislation as early as next week. The Senate will consider its bill later this month.

While the subject is contentious, a return to forcing people to join the armed forces seems unlikely. Military leaders maintain the all-volunteer force is working and do not want a return to conscription. The U.S. has not had a military draft since 1973, in the waning years of the Vietnam War era. Still, all men between the ages of 18 and 25 are required by law to register.

"It's what a man's got to do," says the Selective Service website.

Women were nearly drafted during World War II due to a shortage of military nurses. But a surge of volunteers made it unnecessary, according to the Government Accountability Office.


Rep. Duncan Hunter, R-Calif., who served with the Marines in Iraq and Afghanistan, said he believes most Americans don't want women to be drafted. Despite his objections, Hunter proposed — and then voted against — the amendment requiring women to register that the House Armed Services Committee approved in April.

Hunter said he offered the measure to force a discussion about how the Pentagon's decision to void gender restrictions on military service failed to consider whether the exclusion on drafting women also should be lifted. Like Lee, he argued that the call should be made by Congress.

The White House has declined to say whether President Barack Obama would sign into law legislation that expands the draft to include women.

A longstanding congressional ban on moving prisoners held at the Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, detention facility to the United States also is included in the policy bill. The prohibition, which the White House opposes, has kept Obama from fulfilling a campaign pledge to shutter the facility.

The legislation also proposes to help shrink the remaining population at Guantanamo by allowing detainees to plead guilty to criminal charges in federal civilian courts via video teleconference. Those detainees could then be transferred to other countries to serve their sentences.

But the Center for Constitutional Rights, an advocacy group, opposed the change and said allowing pleas by remote video is an attempt to change the rules "in order to stymie the defense and afford the prosecution a greater chance to win these cases."

Overall, the defense policy bill provides $602 billion in the fiscal year starting Oct. 1 for the Defense Department and nuclear weapons programs managed by the Energy Department.

The Senate committee did not follow the lead of its House counterpart, which shifted $18 billion in wartime spending to pay for additional weapons and troops to reverse what Republicans and a number of Democrats have called a crisis in the military's combat readiness.

The committee did identify $3 billion in savings from the defense budget proposed by the Obama administration "and redirected those funds toward critical needs of our warfighters," according to the summary. The committee also added $2 billion for additional training, depot maintenance and weapons sustainment.



I'm for it.

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Equal rights mean equal for all, right?

Do it.

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Abolish it entirely or extend it to everyone, either works for me.

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Kronk. I have first dibs on you if you get drafted. I teach how to run, I teach you how to fight. You win. Regardless if the other soldiers sings in opera

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I know how to run! It's the fighting part that needs the work. I can usually get my opponent to stare into my Prince-like eyes and end it there. I'm a lover, not a fighter.

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Why didn't we just send him into combat zones. "Look into my eyes..."

War over.

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For it. Also for the draft in general, but only in the most drastic of situations.

Also, if this ever happens, dibs on kronk's group. I expect it will be the one with the most booze and grilling, least running.
   
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 Dreadwinter wrote:
For it. Also for the draft in general, but only in the most drastic of situations.

Also, if this ever happens, dibs on kronk's group. I expect it will be the one with the most booze and grilling, least running.


No drinking alcohol in a war zone. The free up wait would be additional water, ammo, couple Hooah bars.....

Dang....Platoon SGT here.....

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On it!

On Topic:

We should continue to make strides to make sure that Women and men get equal pay for equal work. I will continue to support that effort. A woman can be a doctor, lawyer, whatever. However, with that equality should come the understanding that if John can be drafted next month to fight the dirty commies, so should Jane.

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Equal means equal. Either everyone should register, or no one should. We don't even need to get into the argument about women in frontline combat, because we really don't need to; there are many roles in the military for women however you feel about that.


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 whembly wrote:
I'll be the driver sir!


Remember my last driver Whembly. When I say through the door you Will drive through the door.

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Equal means equal. Either everyone should register, or no one should. We don't even need to get into the argument about women in frontline combat, because we really don't need to; there are many roles in the military for women however you feel about that.



Think Ouze can handle a M4/203 and lugging a Javelin to

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 Dreadwinter wrote:
For it. Also for the draft in general, but only in the most drastic of situations.

Also, if this ever happens, dibs on kronk's group. I expect it will be the one with the most booze and grilling, least running.


No drinking alcohol in a war zone. The free up wait would be additional water, ammo, couple Hooah bars.....

Dang....Platoon SGT here.....

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Four M4's with 203's

About six SAWS
About 6 240's

Oh my.....who in Dakka would be the most calm on the crew serve......YO LT Jake......If you agree....We put Kronk as main gun on 240 and Dreadclaw as asst' guns with him


Yeah, you put Dreadclaw on the guns. I will manage the still.
   
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Now how does one go about getting in to this warband cause I'm an Iraq Vet looking for people to fight with

Back on target, I am 100% on board with making this an equal opportunity thing, if 18 year old Johnny can go fight in the middle of nowhere for his country then so can Jane for equal pay non-the-less
   
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 Jihadin wrote:
Think Ouze can handle a M4/203 and lugging a Javelin to


I definitely cannot carry a 12 pound rifle system with what, 200 rounds? and a 50 pound missile any significant distance.

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Another step forward for equality!
   
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I had to register for the draft for financial aid. SO should women damnit.

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I remember having a conversation with my GF about signing up for selective service and she refused to believe it even existed. I would discover that its something a lot women are not even aware of lol.

Short story over, draft everybody I say!! Dogs serve in the military, sign them up! I saw horses at Ft. Riley...there better be draft horses! Navy uses dolphins...draft'em!! India had war elephants, why don't we? Draft them!! I saw Afghans using camels, well so can the Marines...sign'em up!! The Air-Force flys and so do birds....DRAFT!!
Turtles have shells and so does artillery...I say draft!!


....except cats....no cats in the infantry I say...!!

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Oh man if animals could serve, then if I were to get drafted, I'd totally bring my dog along with me! She's a 12 pound Chihuahua mix but damned if she won't fight for democracy!

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Equality for all draft all ..simple ..that being said its been 40 years since the last time anyone was drafted.



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Absolutely they should have to register.


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I had to register for the draft for financial aid.


No, you had to register because you're a male of the appropriate age. Your financial aid request might have asked if you've registered, or have that requirement, but you're supposed to register for the selective service as soon as you're old enough.

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Seems fair.

Also, want to watch support for a conflict plummet? Activate the draft. Want riots? Start showing dead female draftees.

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I'm all for it. Although, personally, I think they should just abolish it.

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I'm all for it. Although, personally, I think they should just abolish it.


Why? Its registered mail. So if you gave an old address.....like the call up during OIF/OEF.....first batch never showed up being the address's were not current nor were they registered mailed hehe

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 whembly wrote:
I'll be the driver sir!


Remember my last driver Whembly. When I say through the door you Will drive through the door.

Think we need some mortar guru's


That's a door? I'll just go where I'm told to go!

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Seems a bit farcical as the odds of a draft are so low the way wars are fought now, but I say sign those chicas up!
   
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For it. Truth be told, though, if we ever actually need the draft, then things are probably so bad that we'll need every body, able or no.

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Its a bit out dated. I say. Revamp. Assign to Caste system

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If you need people for your imaginary Dakka army, I am qualified on almost every infantryman weapon you guys use in the US.

As for on-topic, I second the motion, for what its worth. We have female in the infantry here and while there's only 2 of them in my unit, they're pretty damn good.

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