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BBC wrote:
The FSB intelligence agency said two attempted incursions had taken place over the weekend and a Russian soldier and an FSB employee had been killed.
President Vladimir Putin vowed "further security measures" in response to Ukraine's "stupid and criminal" acts.
Ukraine's president described the accusations as "preposterous".
"Russian accusations against Ukraine of terrorism in occupied Crimea sound as preposterous and cynical as the statements of the Russian leadership about the absence of Russian troops in the Donbass [region of rebel-held eastern Ukraine]," Petro Poroshenko said.
"These fantasies are only a pretext for making more military threats against Ukraine," he added.
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Didn't copy whole article because it gets pretty long and is mostly a review of past events and conjecture.
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I have to wonder if this was actually an attempt by Ukraine, or just an excuse by Russia to invade some more. Either way, I wish Putin would bugger off. Ukraine has enough problems without more Russian "liberation".
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It's too bad the previous thread got locked because the US-born mods couldn't handle anymore news about allegations of human rights violations, shelling of the civilians during the ceasefire and also murder, rape and torture by their puppets from the ukrainian Nazis. Let's hope this thread will stay open.
‘Kiev has turned to terrorism’: Putin on foiled sabotage plot in Crimea
Kiev has turned to the “practice of terrorism” instead of trying to peacefully resolve Ukraine’s crisis, Russian President Vladimir Putin said in commenting on an FSB report that it had foiled terrorist attacks in Crimea plotted by Ukrainian intelligence.
Ukraine is “playing a dangerous game,” the Russian leader said when talking to reporters on Wednesday, while calling Kiev’s actions “stupid and criminal.”
Moscow cannot turn a blind eye to the deaths of its servicemen who were killed during special operations to prevent terrorist attacks in Crimea, Putin said.
Given that the Main Directorate of Intelligence of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine (HUR MOU) was allegedly behind the thwarted terrorist attacks in Crimea, it is “pointless” to meet with Ukraine’s current authorities to seek a solution to the country’s crisis, Putin said.
The leaders of Russia, Ukraine, France, and Germany were to meet in the so-called “Normandy format” to discuss the peace process in Ukraine on the sidelines of the upcoming G20 in China.
However, Kiev has demonstrated that it’s not interested in peaceful negotiations, the Russian president told reporters, adding that he would like to address the matter with Moscow’s American and European partners as well.
“I think it’s obvious that Kiev’s current authorities are not seeking for ways to solve problems through negotiations, but have turned to terrorism,” Putin said, adding that this new development is rather alarming.
Russia's Federal Security Service (FSB) announced on Wednesday it had discovered a group of infiltrators in Crimea close to the Ukrainian border. Explosive devices and ammunition used by the Ukrainian Army’s special forces were discovered at the scene, while more attempts by Ukrainian raiding and terrorist groups to break through had been prevented by Russian forces this week, the FSB said.
Kiev refuted the FSB report of a foiled terrorist plot, and instead accused Moscow of provocation.
Stating that Ukraine "condemns terrorism in all its forms," Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko refuted accusations that Kiev's military had been plotting to organize attacks on the Russian peninsula. Having called Moscow's FSB reports "senseless and cynical," the Ukrainian leader said Kiev is "committed" to bring back Crimea through "political and diplomatic means."
Blaming the “escalation” on Russia, Ukraine’s permanent representative to the Council of Europe, Dmytro Kuleba, said on Twitter that Moscow “tests West’s reaction.”
Russian FSB foils terrorist attacks plotted by Ukrainian intel agents in Crimea
Russia’s Federal Security Service (FSB) has prevented terrorist attacks in Crimea that were planned by the Ukrainian Defense Ministry’s intelligence agency, the FSB said.
The Main Directorate of Intelligence of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine (HUR MOU) was preparing to target the Russian peninsula’s critical infrastructure, the FSB announced on Wednesday.
The infiltrators also planned to blow up a highway in the region at the time motorcades with local officials and federal authorities would have been driving through it, Rossiyskaya Gazeta reported.
A group of infiltrators was discovered near the town of Armyansk in northern Crimea near the Ukrainian border in a special FSB operation over the weekend, the agency said, adding that fire was exchanged as the terrorists were being apprehended.
FSB received a warning from Armyansk locals, who had reported on some suspicious people in military uniforms in their town, Rossiyskaya Gazeta said. Having responded to the call, an FSB task group detected some 20 people in the area, who were loading explosives and weapons from their hideout. Once the suspects noticed the Russian security forces, they immediately opened fire, shooting to kill, the newspaper said.
One FSB officer was killed, while at least one infiltrator was shot dead and several others injured when the officers returned fire.
Twenty home-made explosive devices equivalent to more than 40 kilos of TNT, as well as ammunition, shells, and other weapons used by the Ukrainian Army’s special forces were discovered at the scene.
Two more attempts by Ukrainian raiding and terrorist groups to breakthrough were prevented by Russian forces on Monday. Kiev’s armored vehicles provided covering fire for the groups from the Ukrainian side, the FSB said, adding that one Russian serviceman had been killed in that operation.
The suspected Kiev agents attempted to cross the border through a swamped lake of Sivash, Rossiyskaya Gazeta explained, saying that all overland areas connecting the peninsula to the mainland are thoroughly guarded by Russian border officers.
A network of agents from Ukraine’s chief intelligence directorate has been uncovered in Crimea, according to the FSB, which said it included both Ukrainian and Russian citizens that provided assistance in preparing terrorist acts.
Those suspects employed by Ukrainian intelligence are now giving their confessions, the FSB reported, adding that the captured group includes one of the organizers.
A criminal case has been opened and additional covert and investigative activities are being conducted in the region.
The thwarted acts of sabotage and terrorism were aimed at destabilizing the social and political situation on the peninsula ahead of both local and federal elections, the FSB said in its statement.
Ukraine’s General Staff has said the reports of groups raiding Crimea are provocations.
A Ukrainian defense intelligence spokesman refuted the FSB report, telling Reuters that the information was “fake.”
Meanwhile, security in the region has been tightened due to the discovery, the FSB announced, saying that additional security arrangements have been made near major infrastructure objects, in crowded places, and on the Russian-Ukrainian border.
Last year, electricity supplies to Crimea were cut off after a group supposedly led by several Ukrainian politicians used explosives to down a pylon in Ukraine’s Kherson Region. Radicals from the extreme Right Sector Ukrainian nationalist group and representatives of Crimean Tatar nationalist organizations continuously blocked attempts to restore the power line.
About two million Crimean residents were left partially or completely without power, prompting the Crimean Republic's authorities to pass an address on to the United Nations, asking it to recognize Ukraine’s “energy blockade” of the peninsula as violation of basic Human Rights and genocide.
Unfortunately, there has been little progress in implementing the Minsk Agreements, signed last year, mainly due to Kiev's unwillingness to fulfill its obligations, and its inability to deal with socio-economic problems or promote national accord and reconciliation.
As long as shooting continues in Donbass, Kiev tries to divert public attention from the alleged ‘achievements’ of Maidan and request additional funds from their Western sponsors.
Here are examples of the Minsk Agreements being grossly violated by Kiev:
1. It is clearly said in the Minsk Agreements that heavy weapons must be withdrawn from the contact line. However Ukrainian armed forces haven’t stopped shelling Donetsk and Lugansk, including the use of weapons that are supposed to have been withdrawn. This leads to civilian casualties and the destruction of property.
It is inappropriate to blame Lugansk and Donetsk for the escalation of tension, as it is the Ukrainian armed forces that are in control of the buffer zone and are moving dangerous heavy weapons there. The OSCE Special Monitoring Mission to Ukraine has reported many times about the concentration of the Ukrainian forces along the contact line and the deployment of Ukrainian armed forces in Pavlopol, Pishchevik and Zaitsevo. On 26 February, 2016 OSCE observers reported that Ukrainian forces controlled a part of Shirokino in violation of the demilitarization agreement. Operations of the Ukrainian armed forces run contrary to the logic of the Minsk-II, resulting in the dangerous reduction of the distance between the conflicting parties.
2. On the first day of the withdrawal of artillery Kiev had to engage in dialogue, and start consulting with Donetsk and Lugansk representatives on the conditions for elections to be held in April on the basis of Ukrainian law and under OSCE oversight. The second date outlined in the document is 12 March, i.e. a month after the signing of the Minsk Agreements Kiev was required to enact a special status law adopting a resolution designating the territory that this law was supposed to cover. This hasn't been done. A law was passed, the territories marked, but the law said that it didn't apply to Donetsk and Lugansk.
3. The Minsk Agreements clearly say elections should be held in accordance with the OSCE criteria, one of which is to ensure that no one will be subjected to intimidation, harassment, etc. The statement by the Kiev authorities on "elections first, then amnesty" constitute a serious distortion of the sequence and logic of what was really agreed. In accordance with the OSCE elections criteria, the amnesty should be granted before the elections.
It is crucial to understand at long last that the only way to settle the Ukrainian crisis is by implementing the Minsk Agreements and a direct dialogue between the members of the Contact Group and its subgroups supported by a strong international assistance. If the West doesn't change its policy of justifying Kiev's violation of Minsk, a new wave of escalation in Eastern Ukraine is inevitable.
Ukrainian volunteer unit troops raped underage girls, filmed it on phones – MP
The mobile phones of commanders of the Tornado volunteer unit, which fought for Kiev in the conflict in eastern Ukraine, contained footage of rape of underage girls, Ukrainian MP, Tatyana Chronovol, has said.
“When the Tornado commanders were detained, their mobile phones were seized. There was some scary footage on those phones… footage of sex orgies and rape,” Chronovol said in an interview with Ukrainian broadcaster 112.
“There were even babies. As I understand the baby's mother was forced to do this under the threat of death of her child,” the Verkhovna Rada deputy stressed.
“There were rapes of underage girls” in the videos Chronovol said.
The shocking videos are now part of the case against the volunteer unit’s fighters, she stressed.
“They are not people, but animals,” the MP said of the Tornado troops and officers.
Chronovol represents the Narodny Front (People’s Front) party, which is the second largest in the Ukrainian parliament, forming a ruling coalition with President Petro Poroshenko’s Block.
Ukrainian prosecutors announced the arrest of eight fighters from the Tornado unit in mid-June.
They were charged with the kidnapping and torture of local residents in the suburbs; looting and gang raping a man in the suburbs of the town of Lisichansk in the south-eastern Lugansk Region.
According to the investigation, the volunteer troops installed a torture chamber in the basement of one of the local school buildings.
The Tornado unit was formed in October 2014 as part of Ukrainian Interior Ministry. It was linked to the Shakhtersk volunteer battalion, which was disbanded for systematic looting.
Atrocities committed by the nationalist volunteer battalions during the Ukrainian conflicts have been well-documented by international human rights groups and condemned by the United Nations.
In spring 2014, the Ukrainian military was sent to the south-east of the country after people in Donetsk and Lugansk Regions refused to recognize the new coup-imposed government in the capital.
Nearly 9,500 people were killed and over 22,100 injured during the two years of fighting, according to UN data.
Ukrainian Neo-Nazis mark anniversary of Galicia SS division with torchlit march
Torch flames and ultra-nationalist insignia and slogans were visible on the streets of the western Ukrainian city of Ivano-Frankovsk as neo-Nazis marched to commemorate the 73th anniversary of the creation of the Ukrainian SS division.
Chanting nationalistic slogans, around 100 members of the civil wing of the far-right Azov Battalion held the torchlit procession to honor those who fought for the Nazis against the Soviet Union in World War II.
Activists marching under a large banner kept on shouting “glory” to those who served in the 14th Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS, recognized as patriots by the current Ukrainian regime.
Following the procession, clergymen from the Uniate church, which acknowledges papal supremacy but retains its own orthodox liturgy, held a memorial service where they prayed for the souls of those guilty of butchering their own population.
The SS division also known as the 1st Galician was a military unit comprising over 80,000 volunteers from the Ukrainian region of Galicia. Created in 1943, as the Soviet Union was gaining the upper hand in a war against the Third Reich, it was largely destroyed in the battle of Brody, a major Red Army operation to force the Nazi forces from Ukraine and Eastern Poland.
Heinrich Himmler, Reichsführer and the head of SS, once said in a speech to soldiers from the division, “your homeland has become so much more beautiful since you have lost – on our initiative, I must say – those residents who were so often a dirty blemish on Galicia’s good name, namely the Jews...I know that if I ordered you to liquidate the Poles...I would be giving you permission to do what you are eager to do anyway.”
Following defeat, the SS Ukrainian division became part of the Ukrainian National Army united under single command against the Soviet Union. After Berlin fell, the Ukrainian unit surrendered to the Western Allies by May 10, 1945.
The division has been accused of carrying out numerous atrocities, including the destruction of Polish communities in Western Ukraine and the massacre of civilians in “anti-guerrilla” operations, although the Galicia has never been internationally recognized as guilty of any war crimes.
The last paragraph means that the majority of members of 14th SS-Volunteer Division "Galicia" lived their lives happily in USA, Canada, Australia and New Zealand as "ukrainian communities" until they started dying from the old age.
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Yaraton wrote: It's too bad the previous thread got locked because the US-born mods couldn't handle anymore news about allegations of human rights violations, shelling of the civilians during the ceasefire and also murder, rape and torture by their puppets from the ukrainian Nazis.
It's almost like Uwe Boll is here posting in our thread, except he's replaced his gigantic undeserved sense of self worth with Donald Trump levels of completely unaware.
Once you get over the shock that such people actually exist, it can be quite entertaining *sips tea*
Or at least what Russia claims has happened. Not same as what has happened. No other party has verified that.
Well, considering that it's far more clear what's going in Crimea looking from Finland I let you voice your version of events.
Your sarcasm is failing big time. Canada is obviously even more easy place to see what's happening...
But if you believe one source as The Truth welcome to easily fooled life.
Until there's confirmations from MULTIPLE sources then regardless of who is the initial source it's highly dubious. Especially when said source has vested interest to say lies. I don't believe russia saying ukraine attacked and I don't believ ukraine saying they didn't attack.
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President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia accused the Ukrainian government on Wednesday of plotting terrorist attacks in Crimea, and threatened to respond. His Ukrainian counterpart called the accusations “fantasies.”
Mr. Putin, speaking at the Kremlin, said two Russian servicemen had been killed while confronting people he described as the plotters.
“There is no doubt that we will not let these things pass,” Mr. Putin said in remarks broadcast on state television.
“But I would like to turn to our American and European partners,” he said. “I think it is clear now that today’s Kiev government is not looking for ways to solve problems by negotiations, but is resorting to terror. This is a very worrying thing.”
The Russian president accused the Ukrainian intelligence services of trying to stage attacks in Crimea to distract attention from their country’s economic problems.
“The attempt to provoke violence, to provoke conflict is nothing else but the desire to divert public opinion from the people who captured power in Kiev, continue keeping it, and continue robbing its own people,” Mr. Putin said. “This is a very dangerous game.”
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Sounds like he's trying to create a casus belli... no?
Yep. Doesn't look good for Ukraine. If I were them I'd bail out of there. The bear is coming.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
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The cynic in me has a hard time believing the Russian story. There's very little reason for Ukraine to engage in the kind of activity they are being accused of here, and if actual firefights with Russian forces are occurring that's going to dramatically fail for Ukraine and they know it. Russia doesnt want the conflict resolved or escalated, they want it frozen. This prevents Ukraine from moving on with integration into the EU and possible NATO, and keeps them under the Russian thumb, but without the cost of a full scale war. Gotta keep the embers burning but dont let it fully catch light.
On the other hand, it's clear the Ukrainian government cant handle or control everything either and it's possiblr that rogue individuals engaged in this kind of an attack on their own.
My gut feeling is that this is either fabricated or some stupid incident in the field is being made out to be something significantly more dramatic for propaganda purposes, but you cant ever totally discount the possibility of some of Ukraines own crazies having actually tried something either.
Maybe its a combination of both?
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Ah. So the time has finally come. All hail the new Ukraine thread!
Okay, now to the point, Russia isn't going to invade Ukraine. Saying or suggesting that is silly, nonsensical and irrational fearmongering. If Putin would have wanted that, he'd already have done so years ago when he had a great opportunity. Russia doesn't want to outright conquer or annex (parts of) Ukraine. It would cost way too money, considering how poor and neglected Ukrainian infrastructure is compared to Russia. Putin is happy with the current situation
Secondly, the terrorist attacks against Crimea are real. Suggesting otherwise is nothing but engaging in nonsensical conspiracy theories and russophobic propaganda. Ukrainians being arrested or killed while trying to sabotage Crimean infrastructure happens a lot more often, but normally it doesn't make the (international) news. This only makes the news because an FSB guy got killed this time. People who say that it is fake have short memories. Did they already forget when the Ukrainians blew up the power lines to Crimea? Or when they blocked the Crimean canal? Now that the Crimean people have proven to be too resilient to be swayed by such banderite terror, bomb attacks are just the next step. The ukrop will do anything they can to take Crimea, even if it brings ruin upon themselves, such is their nature. But Crimea is our land, and the Crimean people will never give it up. Adversity has only hardened our resolve, and if they are really stupid enough to actually explode a bomb, reconcialliation will become impossible.
Vaktathi wrote: The cynic in me has a hard time believing the Russian story. There's very little reason for Ukraine to engage in the kind of activity they are being accused of here, and if actual firefights with Russian forces are occurring that's going to dramatically fail for Ukraine and they know it. Russia doesnt want the conflict resolved or escalated, they want it frozen. This prevents Ukraine from moving on with integration into the EU and possible NATO, and keeps them under the Russian thumb, but without the cost of a full scale war. Gotta keep the embers burning but dont let it fully catch light.
On the other hand, it's clear the Ukrainian government cant handle or control everything either and it's possiblr that rogue individuals engaged in this kind of an attack on their own.
Yeah, these people trying to sabotage Crimean infrastructure aren't official Ukrainian agents, they are not controlled by the Ukrainian government. They are just nationalist thugs who do what they do because "GLORY TO UKRAINE!, screw the Russians, screw Crimea!" Ukraine has no control over them. The Ukrainian government might not be the smartest ones around, but they know better than to provoke Russia like that. Common sense that is absent in nationalists of any kind.
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"GLORY TO UKRAINE!, screw the Russians, screw Crimea!"
-so they are freedom fighters then.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
Sounds like he's trying to create a casus belli... no?
Hoping for Russia during the Olympics to answer for the deaths of its two servicemen (one FSB officer, one military soldier) with a full-scale military action in the face of a terrorist attack would be something the ukranian Nazi government would dearly wanted to achieve, so the World would again remember about them and put them in the news instead of Russia and Syria kicking ISIS ass in Syria, Turkey getting closer with Russia after a failed military coupe and a refugee crises in Europe.
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djones520 wrote: Was reading a story the other day that alleged that Russia was conducting a military build up on the new border. Moving new armored units up.
Russia is planning for the tree armoured brigades in the Western part of it as an answer for the new NATO bases in the Eastern Europe. Does it also mean the Russians are planning for a Victory parade again in Berlin?
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Frazzled wrote: "GLORY TO UKRAINE!, screw the Russians, screw Crimea!"
-so they are freedom fighters then.
Yep, just like Taliban in Afghanistan.
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Russia is planning for the tree armoured brigades in the Western part of it as an answer for the new NATO bases in the Eastern Europe. Does it also mean the Russians are planning for a Victory parade again in Berlin?
Death to the Merkelites? We will stop them on the Don! We will stop them on the Dneiper. We will stop them in Volgagrod!
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
Russia is planning for the tree armoured brigades in the Western part of it as an answer for the new NATO bases in the Eastern Europe. Does it also mean the Russians are planning for a Victory parade again in Berlin?
Death to the Merkelites? We will stop them on the Don! We will stop them on the Dneiper. We will stop them in Volgagrod!
Yeah, I remember the previous attempt by the NATO predecessor. It ended up like that:
In another news... ukranian media was able to confirm through the organization of the War vets in ukraine the identity of the captured ukranian terrorist. Apparently he indeed previously served during his time of in the 37th Reconnaissance Battalion of the ukranian army. Meanwhile the UN Security Counsel is having a closed secession about the situation in Crimea.
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Vaktathi wrote: The cynic in me has a hard time believing the Russian story. There's very little reason for Ukraine to engage in the kind of activity they are being accused of here, and if actual firefights with Russian forces are occurring that's going to dramatically fail for Ukraine and they know it. Russia doesnt want the conflict resolved or escalated, they want it frozen. This prevents Ukraine from moving on with integration into the EU and possible NATO, and keeps them under the Russian thumb, but without the cost of a full scale war. Gotta keep the embers burning but dont let it fully catch light.
On the other hand, it's clear the Ukrainian government cant handle or control everything either and it's possiblr that rogue individuals engaged in this kind of an attack on their own.
Yeah, these people trying to sabotage Crimean infrastructure aren't official Ukrainian agents, they are not controlled by the Ukrainian government. They are just nationalist thugs who do what they do because "GLORY TO UKRAINE!, screw the Russians, screw Crimea!" Ukraine has no control over them. The Ukrainian government might not be the smartest ones around, but they know better than to provoke Russia like that. Common sense that is absent in nationalists of any kind.
Yeah, donkey-caves doing stupid things make the most sense for something like this if it went down the way Russia is claiming, as inept as the Ukrainian government often is, it's not *that* stupid.
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Yeah, these people trying to sabotage Crimean infrastructure aren't official Ukrainian agents, they are not controlled by the Ukrainian government. They are just nationalist thugs who do what they do because "GLORY TO UKRAINE!, screw the Russians, screw Crimea!" Ukraine has no control over them. The Ukrainian government might not be the smartest ones around, but they know better than to provoke Russia like that. Common sense that is absent in nationalists of any kind.
Just to provide a counter point, it's possible that their warcry might just be 'Glory to Crimea, out with the invaders'. I've noticed an increase in Crimean nationalism as well, at least here on the internet.
It does look like someone is trying to establish casus belli however. With Russia and the Ukraine though, without further data it's hard to say who. Too many groups stand to benefit in some way.
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The head of the Main Military Intelligence Directorate of Ukraine's Defense Minister Valery Kondratiuk says there is evidence that there was a gun battle between soldiers of the armed forces of the Russian Federation and Russian border troops of the Federal Security Service (FSB) in the northern part of Russia-occupied Crimea.
Russian President Vladimir Putin has unexpectedly dismissed his chief of staff Sergei Ivanov.
Is Putin down in the polls or something over there? I guess a bit of Living Space could boost him a few points, or maybe just across the border from the occupied zone's a nice piece of beach the tourist moguls are after (hotel prices have soared in Crimea recently).
The head of the Main Military Intelligence Directorate of Ukraine's Defense Minister Valery Kondratiuk says there is evidence that there was a gun battle between soldiers of the armed forces of the Russian Federation and Russian border troops of the Federal Security Service (FSB) in the northern part of Russia-occupied Crimea.
Russian President Vladimir Putin has unexpectedly dismissed his chief of staff Sergei Ivanov.
Is Putin down in the polls or something over there? I guess a bit of Living Space could boost him a few points, or maybe just across the border from the occupied zone's a nice piece of beach the tourist moguls are after (hotel prices have soared in Crimea recently).
Russia vs Russia? An intriguing move there.
The Polish are big into there prepping at the moment as well...
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Probably nothing, but its not like Russia hasn't had a dozen and more failed coups which've been quietly hidden under the rug by the current administration.
Wyrmalla wrote: Probably nothing, but its not like Russia hasn't had a dozen and more failed coups which've been quietly hidden under the rug by the current administration.
Kremlin politics are as inpenetrable as ever. Most likely Ivanov and Putin just had a disagreement over some key issue, causing his demotion.
The Russian soldiers fighting the Russian border guard is just the Ukrainian "intelligence" service being their silly selves. You could write a book about all of the weird claims they have made in the past year alone.The "intelligence" service nowadays mostly seems to be staffed by incompetent government cronies who see armies of Russian soldiers hidden in every bush and a maniacally cackling Putin behind every tree. I suspect they use it as a tactic to distract the people from Ukraine's horrible situation and shift the blame of their own failing leadership.
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