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There is no doubt in my mind that Space Marines could beat Superman. My question is how many of them would it take?

They cannot beat Superman, because he is essentially immune to physical damage.

That said, a single Librarian could probably just destroy his mind. He is not mentally prepared to resist Warp powers.

They can't. In any story which had Space Marines and Superman, the genetically modified killer machines would be the bad guys. And Bad guys ultimately can't beat Superman. Only another Superhero can't beat Superman.

Now Space Marines against a single Kryptonian. The SM probably lose a company or three before killing him. The rest of the Chapter dies when the Kryptonian's friends show up.

To give a factual scientific answer we need more details:

1) Do the Space Marines have access to plastic thunderhawk kits?
2) Is there any comp system?
3) Can the Space Marines take Forge World units?
4) Who wrote Codex: Kryptona Militarum?

.. think he might be a bit much for anything other than anything magical or a whole C'tan.

How well does Superman do when he’s not hanging out near a yellow sun?

Venue is a big deal for this fight.

 Nevelon wrote:
How well does Superman do when he’s not hanging out near a yellow sun?

Venue is a big deal for this fight.

He probably has enough residual energy from metabolizing yellow sun energy for so long to keep him going for a while, or just be in his special Superman suit that he uses against red sun radiation or kryptonite.

What if they are Chaos Space Marines? Superman is weak to magic...

Same as everything with Superman. If they have Kryptonite then one. If not none of them can.

Physically? Nope. The primarchs could probably give him a fight, but you can't damage him. Believe me, this has been discussed to hell and back between myself and my friends, along with marvel and star wars.

However, to my knowledge Supes is rather vulnerable to mental attacks/sorcery, yes? There is plenty of that in 40k.
If you insist of fighting him mano la mano, then you need kryptonite or some 40k equivalent, maybe those handy little anathame's or a tyranid toxin.

Mudrat wrote:

However, to my knowledge Supes is rather vulnerable to mental attacks/sorcery, yes? There is plenty of that in 40k.
If you insist of fighting him mano la mano, then you need kryptonite or some 40k equivalent, maybe those handy little anathame's or a tyranid toxin.

Superman no more vulnerable to magic than a human (and I'm pretty sure he can recover faster) but yes it affects him. However pure telekinesis doesn't do great again him and in some comics he's been trained against mental attacks (mind control etc) if I recall correctly.

A group of Librarians are the most likely to be capable of defeating him. Or him disregarding a grenade and it turns about to be a vortex grenade. Power weapons might actually be able to hurt him as they soften the bonds between molecules right?

Really though more information on the scenario is required. Which version of Superman (the scan posted was from Silver Age Superman so doesn't apply to current Superman), is he willing to kill, is he willing to destroy planets, does he care about civilian casualties? If he's completely bloodlusted he'd probably wipe out the Astartes single handedly. If he stops or slows too much in a battle he could get taken down.

Superman has withstood nuclear blasts and literally moved planets. As in, plural. As there is no kryptonite in 40k, he is essentially invulnerable to physical harm.

His main vulnerability has been magic, and even then, it depends on which incarnation of superman-- in his more experienced incarnations, he knows some small amounts of magic himself, and is capable of breaking mind control eventually.

Combat-wise, superman is as broke as broke gets.

Space Marine psycher smokes him with a primaris power.

"Brother Dudeman, what was that"?

"Just some mutant, very strong and resilient, so I just fragged his psyche, he will make an excellent servitor".

They wouldn't have to mind control him, they could do much..much worse.

But this is a DC hero, probably the worst writing and Mary Sueing in history. Matt Ward and Marneus Calgar even shake their heads at it.

They'd need Kryptonite to hurt him physically, since that's the only thing that can.

I do believe Supperman (no typo there) has a weak mind (in terms of magicy stuffs) so psykers could probably bring him down a notch. Any of the super tough SM guys could put up a fight (chapter masters/primarchs mainly) and might be able to weaken him but that's about it.

He actually has some pretty strong willpower, due to his experience of having fought against such things so many times. But no stronger than any other well-trained and combat-experienced human's mind. I'd compare his willpower and mental defenses to an Inquisitor's, for example-- minus the gadgets they have to block psychic power, they can put up a decent fight against psychic powers with their legendary iron will... but eventually they, like anyone else, will fall unless they defeat their opponent first.

I'm not sure y'all get just how ridiculously fast Superman is if he's not pulling his punches. No psyker is going to even be able to start thinking about using a power before they get wiped out by him.

Speed > Everything else, and Superman is orders of magnitude faster than everything in the 40k universe.

 Robin5t wrote:
I'm not sure y'all get just how ridiculously fast Superman is if he's not pulling his punches. No psyker is going to even be able to start thinking about using a power before they get wiped out by him.

Speed > Everything else, and Superman is orders of magnitude faster than everything in the 40k universe.

I dunno if I'd say all of 40k. Comicvine says Emps stomps him, for example:

http://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/superman-vs-god-emperor-398166/

That said, I think only Noise Marines and Librarians have a chance since Supes is vulnerable to magic and sound blasts effect him somewhat normally.

Superman is the original "OP Can-never-lose Mary Sue."

Has any power that you can imagine (many of which are only used once and are OP in their own right), and is nigh invincible. Even the "famous" kryptonite doesn't do anything sometimes!

He doesn't even die. Just kinda goes into a sort a coma and regenerates because OP.

I still question how he is a interesting character as he is so OP. But other people like him and that's fine.




The only feasible way a Space Marine could win... was if the writer was on the Space Marines side and therefore gave them Plot Armor (the strongest armor of all creation).

Although in theory Superman could be defeated easily through a little brain power but every single foe to go against him doesn't even bother.

'Ere there be Trolls!

I'm thinking that barring kryptonite, you're going to have to go with something more oddball. Like Stasis fields or a Vortex Grenade/Power.

Green flame wrote:
There is no doubt in my mind that Space Marines could beat Superman. My question is how many of them would it take?

Supeman can:

-Punch at the speed of light. The resulting collision has the energy of a nuclear bomb.
-Fly around the earth so fast that he can reverse time.
-Fly. Just.. Just... Flies.
-See through walls/armour/your underwear.
-Shoot layzors out of his eyes.
-Resist immense to unlimited physical damage.
-Throw buildings.
-Bench press the universe.


Space Marines can:

-Fall asleep really well.
-Take memories from their food.
-Spit Acid.
-Lift up to a few tons.
-Run like a Kenyan.
-Breathe underwater.
-Punch like a hydraulic press.
-Lose all their limbs without bleeding to death.
-Fire an RPG-machinegun.

I think Superman wins out.


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 reds8n wrote:

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.. think he might be a bit much for anything other than anything magical or a whole C'tan.

Yeah... About the only thing that is going to work (assuming the writer is not a biased fethtard in favour of marines) is a full C'tan. Being a reality-warper, it can just wish that Superman had never been born.

And so Superman found out that what is called Adamantium in the 40k universe is really Kryptonite.
Did you see that blue mutant heretic coming, brother Artius? Yeah i am still cleaning its gore of my armor.

 Selym wrote:

Green flame wrote:
There is no doubt in my mind that Space Marines could beat Superman. My question is how many of them would it take?

-Fly around the earth so fast that he can reverse time.

I don't get it... is this like that relativistic thing where the closer to speed of light you are the slower time is? So if he went faster than the speed of light time flows backwards for him Thanks for any clear up, I don't think I've watched any superman movies.

No, he reversed rhe Earth's rotation and undid a certain amount of time.

 Selym wrote:
No, he reversed rhe Earth's rotation and undid a certain amount of time.

Strange. But, I suppose if he was travelling 'back in time' around the world, then from his perspective the earth would turn backwards and he would end up at an earlier point in time (to the point where he 'undid a certain amount of time')?

Can't quite remember, but iirc the premise was that his speed didn't matter for the time travel, just his ability to reverse the earth's rotation...

Anyway, here's a look at some of his powers:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powers_and_abilities_of_Superman

 Selym wrote:
Can't quite remember, but iirc the premise was that his speed didn't matter for the time travel, just his ability to reverse the earth's rotation...

Anyway, here's a look at some of his powers:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powers_and_abilities_of_Superman

Hmmm. Well that's odd. Having the earth rotate backwards would be a nifty way to show Superman's perspective of time passing backwards... whereas the earth spinning backwards somehow making time flow backwards just doesn't make sense to me :S.

Movies/comics, eh?

Space marines vs Superman could be an interesting novel, as they try catch him in a stasis trap or something. Suffer not the xenos to live!

Vortex or statis grenades would likely be best bet. Especially vortex since he would be trapped in another realm with no way out. Even if he could survive there...best hope would be chaos gods deciding he creates enough chaos to send him back

Have to say I never really liked Superman for the very reason that fuels this thread, he's nigh on invincible and has only one weakness, it makes him very dull. Plus he's such a damn goodie goodie. It makes me want to throw up how much of a po faced Boy Scout he is, and his alter ego Clark Kent is even worse! Bleck!

The first group of space marines who are in contact with him will most likely all die. Superman can't move faster than the speed of light. So you don't need to beat him you just need to trap him on some backwater world.

Take your loses and move on the next time you will lose an other world will be in over 1000 years.