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 oldzoggy wrote:
The first group of space marines who are in contact with him will most likely all die. Superman can't move faster than the speed of light.

He travels between star systems in the space of single comics... The closest star to us is over 4 light years away. Superman travels to various stars and returns to find the world as he left it - space travel for him is a daytrip.

One of the most blatant space marine fanboy topics I've seen in a long time. No they would get crushed. The end. Even the primarchs would.

 Gamgee wrote:
One of the most blatant space marine fanboy topics I've seen in a long time. No they would get crushed. The end. Even the primarchs would.

Psykers will fix it.

Nah he fights all sorts of magic users, psions, mutants, and world ending threats stronger than anything 40k could bring to bear barring the Emperor or deity levels which the whole Justice League would take on (and win). That's what makes them superheroes.

The Alpha Legion would know about him before he knows about them. Then they'd stealth psychic shriek him, stealth blast him with kryptonite (if he exists then so does his kryptonite) or more likely use him as a puppet for their own ends

He has never encountered the Warp before.

A Vortex of Doom will do it.

Or a SAG...

Pfft not likely he travels to alternate universes all the time to fight stuff and makes his way back in time for lunch. The only credibly threat to him I can think of is Goku and even then he could blow up the planet leaving Goku out of air and dying. Saitamaman is also able to defeat him (one punch man).

Space Marines stand no chance. The Emperor in his prime might. The chaos gods and the warp would be a cool one year long comic arc for the justice league to punt into irrelevancy.

 oldzoggy wrote:
The first group of space marines who are in contact with him will most likely all die. Superman can't move faster than the speed of light. So you don't need to beat him you just need to trap him on some backwater world.

Take your loses and move on the next time you will lose an other world will be in over 1000 years.

Depends on what version we are talking about:

His top speeds have ranged from nearly a hundred miles per hour when he was first created in the 1930s to speeds surpassing the speed of light

The thing is, even if he doesn't move at the speed of light, he definitely move "faster than thought", therefore he would kill a psyker before said psyker could even begin to use his powers. So he would have to be taken by surprise for the psyker brain deep fry trick to work.

Psykers can slow time.

 Ashiraya wrote:
They cannot beat Superman, because he is essentially immune to physical damage.

That said, a single Librarian could probably just destroy his mind. He is not mentally prepared to resist Warp powers.

Good point there about the Librarian, would not have thought about that.

Yeah, as straight forward combat goes Superman is just completely overpowered, literally invincible. But yeah, I could see a psyker using warp energy to take him down, possibly getting Superman to destroy himself.

 Ashiraya wrote:
Psykers can slow time.

The really powerful ones can do lots of weird gak. The average psyker (including most librarians, as there's no evidence librarians are any more powerful psychically than the average psyker) wouldn't really have that capability, and almost invariably in doing so they would be putting themselves at grave risk in trying.

 Melissia wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:
Psykers can slow time.

The really powerful ones can do lots of weird gak. The average psyker (including most librarians, as there's no evidence librarians are any more powerful psychically than the average psyker) wouldn't really have that capability, and almost invariably in doing so they would be putting themselves at grave risk in trying.

In DoW2, the Librarian can speed up the time for others (considerably improving them in battle) or speed up himself massively - or use both on himself at once!

Librarians have access to similar psychic powers in the miniatures game, such as the Veil of Time power.

And in this case, speeding up yourself or slowing down Superman yields much the same result. They only need a very brief burst of speed rather than the sustained effect they otherwise need to use more carefully.

 Ashiraya wrote:
In DoW2, the Librarian can speed up the time for others (considerably improving them in battle) or speed up himself massively - or use both on himself at once!

Let me introduce you to a little concept called "gameplay and story segregation".

 Melissia wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:
In DoW2, the Librarian can speed up the time for others (considerably improving them in battle) or speed up himself massively - or use both on himself at once!

Let me introduce you to a little concept called "gameplay and story segregation".

He uses the same spells in 40k, though? Quickening, Veil of Time, they are still here and work similarly in their descriptions.

DoW2 is a support, not the foundation.

There were time manipulation powers for minor psykers in Necromunda (see the outlander supplement or 2nd edition of the game).

Engrenages wrote:
The thing is, even if he doesn't move at the speed of light, he definitely move "faster than thought", therefore he would kill a psyker before said psyker could even begin to use his powers. So he would have to be taken by surprise for the psyker brain deep fry trick to work.

This all doesn't really matter does it. Space is really big and superman is sort of a power stuck in slowspace. It will take hundreds if not thousands of years for superman to travel from one star system to an other one. I wonder if he would even be considered a real danger to humanity before a few thousands of years. Sure he is nasty, but I have the strangest idea that some dark power might influence a psyker to start a search for kryptonite. Tzeentch and other powers will not allow superman to kill off humanity since it is their main source of power, but space marines will be totally useless until then.

Assuming no FTL Superman, why couldn't (or wouldn't) Superman hijack something warp capable?

He isn't a Navigator. He'd get lost in the Warp.

A kryptonite power sword cares not how dense your skin is!

 Ashiraya wrote:
He isn't a Navigator. He'd get lost in the Warp.

True, though he could cajole one into working for him.

This does lead to the question of whether or not a Navigator's eye would kill him outright. Space Marines would have them on their ships right?

 oldzoggy wrote:

Engrenages wrote:
The thing is, even if he doesn't move at the speed of light, he definitely move "faster than thought", therefore he would kill a psyker before said psyker could even begin to use his powers. So he would have to be taken by surprise for the psyker brain deep fry trick to work.

This all doesn't really matter does it. Space is really big and superman is sort of a power stuck in slowspace. It will take hundreds if not thousands of years for superman to travel from one star system to an other one. I wonder if he would even be considered a real danger to humanity before a few thousands of years. Sure he is nasty, but I have the strangest idea that some dark power might influence a psyker to start a search for kryptonite. Tzeentch and other powers will not allow superman to kill off humanity since it is their main source of power, but space marines will be totally useless until then.

Since he can move to another solar system and back without earthlings missing him that indicates he can go pretty darn fast...Def not thousands of years. He can go FTL on his own. Swoosh and he's moving pretty darn fast. He would in a way be even more reliable space traveller than IOM since he doesn't need to use the unreliable and dangerous warp to do that!

 oldzoggy wrote:
It will take hundreds if not thousands of years for superman to travel from one star system to an other one.

More like at most five minutes to go from the star closest to the sun to end up on Earth.

Or, in other words, Supes can travel at or above 530,000 times the speed of light.

And I'm serious when I say that's not even the fastest that Superman has traveled. You think GW's writers have no sense of scale? You should see DC's writers.

 Ashiraya wrote:
He isn't a Navigator. He'd get lost in the Warp.

Obviously he'd hijack something good, something with a real Navigator in!

nareik wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:
He isn't a Navigator. He'd get lost in the Warp.

Obviously he'd hijack something good, something with a real Navigator in!

He'd tie an indestructible material between himself and a retribution class battleship. Then, he would throw the Retty to his destination so hard that it would get there within about 5 minutes. The rope would pull him along.

Need to get from Terra to the Ghoul Stars? Take the SUPERRETRIBUTION EXPRESS!

 oldzoggy wrote:

Engrenages wrote:
The thing is, even if he doesn't move at the speed of light, he definitely move "faster than thought", therefore he would kill a psyker before said psyker could even begin to use his powers. So he would have to be taken by surprise for the psyker brain deep fry trick to work.

This all doesn't really matter does it. Space is really big and superman is sort of a power stuck in slowspace. It will take hundreds if not thousands of years for superman to travel from one star system to an other one. I wonder if he would even be considered a real danger to humanity before a few thousands of years. Sure he is nasty, but I have the strangest idea that some dark power might influence a psyker to start a search for kryptonite. Tzeentch and other powers will not allow superman to kill off humanity since it is their main source of power, but space marines will be totally useless until then.

He has been shown flying between star systems in a matter of minutes, which is decidedly faster than the speed of light.

Superman might go FTL on its own in his part of the universe but 40ks Terra is clearly situated in the slow zone where no FTL is possible by just going really fast. Let's at least use some basic rules for reality. Otherwise we could just end the story with draigo cutting his heart out because he needed his blood for a new ritual, or superman destroying the IoM with an unlucky sneeze.

 oldzoggy wrote:
Superman might go FTL on its own in his part of the universe but 40ks Terra is clearly situated in the slow zone where no FTL is possible by just going really fast. Let's at least use some basic rules for reality. Otherwise we could just end the story with draigo cutting his heart out because he needed his blood for a new ritual, or superman destroying the IoM with an unlucky sneeze.

Evidence that Superman cannot go FTL in 40k?

Evidence that the Space Marines aren't in a DC comic?

 oldzoggy wrote:
Superman might go FTL on its own in his part of the universe but 40ks Terra is clearly situated in the slow zone where no FTL is possible by just going really fast. Let's at least use some basic rules for reality. Otherwise we could just end the story with draigo cutting his heart out because he needed his blood for a new ritual, or superman destroying the IoM with an unlucky sneeze.

Obviously you can't compare if you don't assume one sides powers are in effect. Otherwise you can just arque superman isn't powerful in 40k because "reasons".

40k terra and superman's terra are same universum(both are working on idea it's THIS realm we exists) so superman's abilities are in play as described in his cannon. Otherwise there's no point even trying to compare because you would be basically rewriting one side to fit your own scenario.

edit: Also arqument goes both ways. Who says it's superman going to 40k's realm? Why not otherwise so now superman's realitys laws disable marines equipment, superhuman, vortex&static grenades and psychic powers. And since warp doesn't exists it's now SPACE MARINES who are slow as hell while SM is flying around faster than light...

Seeing space marines are generally the invaders and SM is defender of good it's more logical they would come into contact by space marines doing invasion to superman's realm than otherway around...

I like the approach of fire upon the deep look it up for f you haven't read it it makes perfect sense to limit the abilities of powers to a local reality. Importing 40k marines into supermans space probably somewhere in the beyond would not end well at all. Just try to imagine a librarian in fast time they would practically become friction less conduits for the warp powers.

But my approach was also an attempt too weed out all the unlikely / boosty crap some weaker writers have put in their stories. If we include that mess then the only thing that matters would be who would write the story.