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I just saw the blue tide thingy and saw people complaining about it. What's the most broken list (relative to 30k) that you can play?

NivlacSupreme wrote:
I just saw the blue tide thingy and saw people complaining about it. What's the most broken list (relative to 30k) that you can play?

I couldn't give you a specific list, but I can tell you it would include at least 2 units of 3 phosphex rapiers.

Agreed^^^ there's a lot of interplay between Legion tactics, Rights of War, special characters and "good" units that would determine a "that guy" list.

Generally spamming the "good" units is a pretty cheesey list, like 3x 2 Quad rapiers with phosphex, Medusas etc.

When I was up against the local Iron Warrior player with my Solar Auxilia I brought an armoured onslaught list (2500 pts) with a Stormsword, Malcador with the whole works, Malcador Infernus, two Executioners, two Vanquishers, a Thunderbolt and a single Dracosan with a squad of Veletarii inside.

My opponent was less than thrilled, though glad he managed to wrangle a tie out of that one in the end.

Though in my defence, whenever he says "Let's play a game, I'll bring along a fun list!" I usually flinch, as last time he did that he took two Land Raiders with Chaos Terminators, a Fortress of Redemption and Huron to a 1250 pts game.

Was the blue tide a 'that guy' list? I mean a trio of phosphex will probably ruin its day.

Especially since most AOD games don't even have objectives

(Though, having to chew through 131 wounds with marine armour might be a bit rude...)

That 131 wound list sounds fun against an all seekers army (not technically legal).

I always feel like 30k is a more gentlemanly game, I got used to broken lists and spammage in 40k, but here I feel like mixed armies and allcomers lists are more the way to go.

I'm not planning on using these ideas (maybe at tournaments and against that one player I really hate). Just a little discussion.

Iron warriors
Kitted out praetor
pride of the legion
siege breaker
2 apothecaries
3 x 1 quad mortars all with phosphex and shatter
2 x 10 man vet squads with 2 flamers each
10 iron havocs with autocannon
10 iron havocs with lascannon
10 tyrant siege termies


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And even that is a little gentle.

Leviathan Detachment 3000 points

One Ordinatus Ulator

Two Ordinatus Saggitar

Archmagos Ordinator and 5 Thallax, flavour to taste.

It's beaten a Warlord Titan locally.

I'm thinking that there's a way to use imperial militia lists. An allied detachment is capable of taking 100 completely unskilled guys to use as meatshields. 100 guys and a stock HQ cost 250 points.

I'm going to make a 1750 point tactical spam list and take that as allies

Not something I've seen abused, but I've played enough Iron Hands to know that something using the following units in some configuration would be lethal.

Castrmen Orth (grants all tanks +1 when ramming and gives his command tank +1BS and Tank Hunters)
Ferrus Manus (Can repair on a 2+ and grants 6+ FnP to all non-vehicles)
A Spartan to put them in.
Sicarians.
Armoured Spearhead RoW.
Lots and lots of Dakka Predators (That are now Fast due to said RoW)

Almost no legion list brings enough anti-tank to deal with an army that could in theory be almost entirely tanks (though one would realistically bring some infantry it would probably have a transport), and Dakka Predators are actually decent at anti-infantry though I'd think at least a few tactical marines would be a good addition.

Not really the kind of cheese that you can find in some parts of 40k but definitely pretty up there for pure deadliness.

NivlacSupreme wrote:
I just saw the blue tide thingy and saw people complaining about it. What's the most broken list (relative to 30k) that you can play?

Why? So you can make it and play it in 30K? This is one of the biggest reasons why I stopped playing 40K. Chasing the meta.

 Tamwulf wrote:

NivlacSupreme wrote:
I just saw the blue tide thingy and saw people complaining about it. What's the most broken list (relative to 30k) that you can play?

Why? So you can make it and play it in 30K? This is one of the biggest reasons why I stopped playing 40K. Chasing the meta.

No. I suck at list writing and personally despise people who play stuff like an unbound list of paladins and Draigo

 Tamwulf wrote:

NivlacSupreme wrote:
I just saw the blue tide thingy and saw people complaining about it. What's the most broken list (relative to 30k) that you can play?

Why? So you can make it and play it in 30K? This is one of the biggest reasons why I stopped playing 40K. Chasing the meta.

That was pretty uncalled for.

Its a good question and makes people think about the rules for our hobby in new ways which is always a good thing, it also shows people armies that they could see and know someone was just being a dick.
Most importantly the idea of a "Meta" in 30k is stupid, all armies have ridiculous things they can put together. The only thing you really need to stay aware of is where your local group is in the everyone uses melta-everyone uses armoured ceramite-no on uses melta-no ones uses armoured ceramite-everyone uses melta etc circle.

All the Released Primarchs
BAM!
Done

 King Amroth wrote:

 Tamwulf wrote:

NivlacSupreme wrote:
I just saw the blue tide thingy and saw people complaining about it. What's the most broken list (relative to 30k) that you can play?

Why? So you can make it and play it in 30K? This is one of the biggest reasons why I stopped playing 40K. Chasing the meta.

That was pretty uncalled for.

Its a good question and makes people think about the rules for our hobby in new ways which is always a good thing, it also shows people armies that they could see and know someone was just being a dick.
Most importantly the idea of a "Meta" in 30k is stupid, all armies have ridiculous things they can put together. The only thing you really need to stay aware of is where your local group is in the everyone uses melta-everyone uses armoured ceramite-no on uses melta-no ones uses armoured ceramite-everyone uses melta etc circle.

No, not really because people come on here all the time asking "What's the best list for..." and they expect us to show them a busted list they can take to the next tournament. No, I don't want to be a part of that. You know what an even better way to think in new and creatives ways about our hobby? Thinking for yourself, making a list, and then posting it asking for feedback. Me making a list for you does nothing to make you think or express yourself creatively or better about this hobby.

 Tamwulf wrote:

 King Amroth wrote:

 Tamwulf wrote:

NivlacSupreme wrote:
I just saw the blue tide thingy and saw people complaining about it. What's the most broken list (relative to 30k) that you can play?

Why? So you can make it and play it in 30K? This is one of the biggest reasons why I stopped playing 40K. Chasing the meta.

That was pretty uncalled for.

Its a good question and makes people think about the rules for our hobby in new ways which is always a good thing, it also shows people armies that they could see and know someone was just being a dick.
Most importantly the idea of a "Meta" in 30k is stupid, all armies have ridiculous things they can put together. The only thing you really need to stay aware of is where your local group is in the everyone uses melta-everyone uses armoured ceramite-no on uses melta-no ones uses armoured ceramite-everyone uses melta etc circle.

No, not really because people come on here all the time asking "What's the best list for..." and they expect us to show them a busted list they can take to the next tournament. No, I don't want to be a part of that. You know what an even better way to think in new and creatives ways about our hobby? Thinking for yourself, making a list, and then posting it asking for feedback. Me making a list for you does nothing to make you think or express yourself creatively or better about this hobby.

I think this is much more a theoretical exercise in the Heresy. Of course I can't speak for everyone else but if I were to come on here and talk about a spammy list I had made for one of my legions nobody would be using it themselves or trying to optimise it (Like some would in the worse end of the 40k community). And while I certainly agree that making one's own list and creating discussion around that would be interesting, in the example of say, a Word Bearers player, many people who don't play Word Bearers or play against Word Bearers wouldn't have much to contribute or may entirely ignore the topic.

So I think that a subject like this is fine seeing as most people do just play whatever they want in the Heresy a thread like this isn't a serious group of people calculating things out to the nearest 0.01% for most competitive spam, these are people throwing around ludicrous ideas because sometimes sitting down and going 'what if...' is fun and can put some new perspectives into the hobby and give people new ideas. I understand where you're coming from as I have seen serious over-competitiveness in 40k but the Heresy community is quite different (And I say this as an avid player of both games) when it comes to being a "that guy" sort of player - as in for the most part they don't exist in 30k. There are plenty of people who put Ferrus Manus in a Spartan or something and that is an incredibly powerful combination (nigh unbeatable), but then who wouldn't? It's not chasing the meta, it's just people making suggestions for powerful combinations that just so happen to exist.

 Tamwulf wrote:
No, not really because people come on here all the time asking "What's the best list for..." and they expect us to show them a busted list they can take to the next tournament. No, I don't want to be a part of that. You know what an even better way to think in new and creatives ways about our hobby? Thinking for yourself, making a list, and then posting it asking for feedback. Me making a list for you does nothing to make you think or express yourself creatively or better about this hobby.

And some people don't care about all that "creativity" in list building, they just want to quickly get something that will win games. You don't need to act like you're somehow superior because you enjoy different parts of the hobby.

Well said. However I also realise I haven't contributed to this thread's original purpose.

While this isn't generally a That Guy kind of list, it certainly seemed it to a friend playing a Green Tide themed Ork army.
Blood Angels
Praetor with Jump Pack and Blade of Perdition using the Day of Revelation RoW
1 Tech Marine Covenant with maxed out Rad Missiles.
3 Destroyer Squads with two Rad Missile Launchers in each with Jump Packs.
4 Assault Squads, Sergeants with Power Weapons.
1 Xiphon Interceptor with Ground Trackers

All infantry gets Shrouded the turn it arrives, making them that bit more survivable. Rad missiles then reduce the Toughness of most of his army. Because of said reduction Assault Marines chew straight through most of his infantry. Xiphon destroys Mek Gunz (His only ranged fire support).
Tabled him by turn 4. Poor Orks.

 TheManWithNoPlan wrote:
Well said. However I also realise I haven't contributed to this thread's original purpose.

While this isn't generally a That Guy kind of list, it certainly seemed it to a friend playing a Green Tide themed Ork army.
Blood Angels
Praetor with Jump Pack and Blade of Perdition using the Day of Revelation RoW
1 Tech Marine Covenant with maxed out Rad Missiles.
3 Destroyer Squads with two Rad Missile Launchers in each with Jump Packs.
4 Assault Squads, Sergeants with Power Weapons.
1 Xiphon Interceptor with Ground Trackers

All infantry gets Shrouded the turn it arrives, making them that bit more survivable. Rad missiles then reduce the Toughness of most of his army. Because of said reduction Assault Marines chew straight through most of his infantry. Xiphon destroys Mek Gunz (His only ranged fire support).
Tabled him by turn 4. Poor Orks.

Sadly Rad Missiles don't work that way.

Only a model that has lost a wound to a rad Missile and !survived! has it's Toughness reduced.

Well that game would have gone differently if I'd remembered that rule...

Whoops.

 Peregrine wrote:

 Tamwulf wrote:
No, not really because people come on here all the time asking "What's the best list for..." and they expect us to show them a busted list they can take to the next tournament. No, I don't want to be a part of that. You know what an even better way to think in new and creatives ways about our hobby? Thinking for yourself, making a list, and then posting it asking for feedback. Me making a list for you does nothing to make you think or express yourself creatively or better about this hobby.

And some people don't care about all that "creativity" in list building, they just want to quickly get something that will win games. You don't need to act like you're somehow superior because you enjoy different parts of the hobby.

Yup. Thinking for yourself is highly over rated. Better to have someone else do it for you, eh?

Anything that includes even one quad-mortar.

With or without phosphex?

 BrookM wrote:
With or without phosphex?

Has to be with. Quad mortars are good but at base they arent anything that special in a heresy list, the cheese comes with how cheap it is to buy shatter and phosphex and honestly ive found that limited by the range if you play on a full 6x4.


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 Tamwulf wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:

 Tamwulf wrote:
No, not really because people come on here all the time asking "What's the best list for..." and they expect us to show them a busted list they can take to the next tournament. No, I don't want to be a part of that. You know what an even better way to think in new and creatives ways about our hobby? Thinking for yourself, making a list, and then posting it asking for feedback. Me making a list for you does nothing to make you think or express yourself creatively or better about this hobby.

And some people don't care about all that "creativity" in list building, they just want to quickly get something that will win games. You don't need to act like you're somehow superior because you enjoy different parts of the hobby.

Yup. Thinking for yourself is highly over rated. Better to have someone else do it for you, eh?

It does save time yes. However i prefer the intellectual discussion of what crazy things can you do with your plastic army men.

 BrookM wrote:
With or without phosphex?

Either.

 King Amroth wrote:
Iron warriors
Kitted out praetor
pride of the legion
siege breaker
2 apothecaries
3 x 1 quad mortars all with phosphex and shatter
2 x 10 man vet squads with 2 flamers each
10 iron havocs with autocannon
10 iron havocs with lascannon
10 tyrant siege termies


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And even that is a little gentle.

I faced smething similar to that but with dual medusas, 9x Phosphex quad mortars and the plasma macharius while I was playing an infantry heavy Ultras list. It was not a fun day.

Knight Crusade Primary:
Senshal (Knight Castigator w/ Occular Augmetics)

2x Scion Martial (Knight Castigator w/ Occular Augmetics)

Alpha Legion Allied
Autilon Skorr (Pride of the Legion

2x Lernaen Terminator Squads (10 Men)

Tarantula Sentry Gun (3, Hyperios Missile Launchers)

Leviathan Siege Dreadnought Talon (2 w/ Drill, 2x Volkite, Phosphex and Ceramite)

Comes to 3000 points

 TheCustomLime wrote:

 King Amroth wrote:
Iron warriors
Kitted out praetor
pride of the legion
siege breaker
2 apothecaries
3 x 1 quad mortars all with phosphex and shatter
2 x 10 man vet squads with 2 flamers each
10 iron havocs with autocannon
10 iron havocs with lascannon
10 tyrant siege termies


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And even that is a little gentle.

I faced smething similar to that but with dual medusas, 9x Phosphex quad mortars and the plasma macharius while I was playing an infantry heavy Ultras list. It was not a fun day.

Wow, thats not even a "that guy" lis its just the list of an a*****e.


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 DarknessEternal wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
With or without phosphex?

Either.

If its without phosphex then the only way its really bad is if you have between 6 and 12.


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 commander dante wrote:
Knight Crusade Primary:
Senshal (Knight Castigator w/ Occular Augmetics)

2x Scion Martial (Knight Castigator w/ Occular Augmetics)

Alpha Legion Allied
Autilon Skorr (Pride of the Legion

2x Lernaen Terminator Squads (10 Men)

Tarantula Sentry Gun (3, Hyperios Missile Launchers)

Leviathan Siege Dreadnought Talon (2 w/ Drill, 2x Volkite, Phosphex and Ceramite)

Comes to 3000 points

Is that bad?