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I'm wanting help from nurgle/ deamon players is a pure nurgle army viable to be viable and slightly competitive i don't mean to win a tournament but hold its own with friends and at a local games store i like nurgle the best but don't know what to do.

I don't have the book in front of me, but IIRC Nurgle daemons don't have much in the way of shooting attacks, and unlike some other daemon types they tend to be slow (plague drones notwithstanding). A mobile, shooty army may be able to dance around and gradually wear you down.

Brian888 wrote:
I don't have the book in front of me, but IIRC Nurgle daemons don't have much in the way of shooting attacks, and unlike some other daemon types they tend to be slow (plague drones notwithstanding). A mobile, shooty army may be able to dance around and gradually wear you down.

That's my worry i don't know how they are going to compete but i want to do them.

Well, unless you are playing against Tau, a horde of Nurglings are gonna be hard to chew through and a one of the BEST Troops in the game for objectives.
Soul Grinder provide your shooting, and Nurgle Princes are pretty much the only good Princes outside a Tetrad.
Drones are a must-take, maybe a few Beasts if you have points.
A GUO is ok, but you must play him well as he is SLLLLLOOOOOOOOOW. Best to Deepstrike him off a Drone's Icon, or be ok with him never seeing combat and merely being a distraction (good place to put Grimiore though)

And Deamons have never relied on shooting to accomplish anything. Not even the Tzeentch ones. Psychic shooting is what they have, and even Nurgle has a good amount via Princes.

A pure Nurlge list with tons of Nurglings, big units of Plague Drones and 2+ DPs is a very good place to start. Make sure to add Heralds to the Drones for that sweet FNP locus.
If shooting is really a concern of yours, get 3 Grinders and run the Formation.

My mate plays tau i play him a lot it's not very optimised but still have some good stuff and marker drones.

This is the list I'm thinking for nurgle

Great unclean one lvl 3 2 greater 1 lesser
Hearld lvl 2 icon of fencuidty
Herald lvl 2
3 nurglings
15 plaguebearers
7 plague drones
Prince flight lvl 3 1 greater
Prince flight lvl 3 1 greater
Prince flight lvl 3 1 greater

Personally I wouldn't run daemons outside of an incursion detachment, but that's because I dislike the warp stormtable . Also, disallwoing Tau from overwatching is never a bad thing. With nurgle putting together an incursion is rather simple due to Nurglings.
Those drones would like to have an icon so you can deep strike your troops without scatter.
I'd give the princes an armour. Tau have a lot of shooting AND ignore cover. Nurgle Daemons rely on cover mostly so take an armor save with you if you can.

What would you drop for the points?

If you can find a way to upgrade a drone to plaguebringer and give him and your heralds greater rewards for etherblades it will give that unit a whole lot more punch.

I've found that although they're super durable, if you don't have some good AP2 with your Drones they can get stuck in combat with TDA and the like for way too long. Even Tau have a fair number of 2+ saves... a riptide or maybe even broadsides could tie you up for a while in CC.

 rabidguineapig wrote:
If you can find a way to upgrade a drone to plaguebringer and give him and your heralds greater rewards for etherblades it will give that unit a whole lot more punch.

I've found that although they're super durable, if you don't have some good AP2 with your Drones they can get stuck in combat with TDA and the like for way too long. Even Tau have a fair number of 2+ saves... a riptide or maybe even broadsides could tie you up for a while in CC.

You raise a very good point

Unfortunately all the greater rewards are expensive. If you can find 40 points to give them to the heralds it would probably be good enough... I've had games where I didn't take them and spent 4 turns locked in combat with terminators. Not fun lol.

Okay a few changes

Herald locus of fencuidty 1 greater lvl 1
Herald locus of fencuidty 1 greater lvl 1
Great unclean one lvl 3 two greater
10 plaguebearers
10 plaguebearers
6 plaguedrones plagueridden 1 greater
Deamon prince lvl 2 flight two greater
Deamon prince flight lvl 2 two greater
Deamon prince flight lvl 2 two greater

I also thought a lot about Nurgle Daemons or CSM, as i wrote in my other Thread.

Unfortunately my idea with Deathguard Flying Circus died, to the restrictions of the tournament i want to go (as no double CAD is allowed =( )

So i am going to make a Daemon Incursion of Nurgle with the Models i have. I don't like a CAD for pure Nurgle Daemons as you have to live with every result on the Warpstorm and as i said in many other threads, it f***s you up at the wrong time.

So Incursion is it for me, as long as you don't play Fateweaver or some other mitigation to the storm.

So here it is:

Tallyband
3x3 Nurglings
4x10 Plaguebearers
1 Herald
Aux
5 Furies
Daemonlords
DP of Nurgle with 2x Greater, Flying ML 3
DP of Nurgle with 2x Greater, Flying ML 3
DP of Nurgle with 2x Greater, Flying ML 3
DP of Nurgle with 2x Greater, Flying ML 2 and Grotti

exactly 1850 Points


I know so many Plaguebearers are not optimal, but i don't have so many Nurglings now (but i am working on it^^), so i use the Bearers (they are also decent).

My Princes will do the heavy lifting and go for Psycic Scream, Invis, Summoning, Incursion, Cursed Earth, Ironarm, Endurance or Warpspeed.

Hope my list is somewhere competitive and gives you an idea for making your army.

I like it i think it's something I'd. Build to don't have the troops yet o ly 6 nurglings and 20 plaguebearers at the moment

Than it's better you stick to a CAD for now=).

You can build an Incursion step by step by buying more Nurglings^^.

Yeh going to be the start collecting. Nurgle a few more tines

I run mono nurgle pretty often and enjoy it quite a bit. I don't run tournaments, but it does well enough. My go-to unit is 4 drones with ap2 character, icon, and poison upgrade. Bring 2 of those and you can deep strike a GUO just about anywhere you want. I bring along a 10PB with instrument/icon to bring the GUO in turn 2 just about wherever I want him.

FW Blight drones are pretty sweet for mono nurgle. As said before, nurglings are really great for their points, I've had mine hold up tactical marines for way too long.
Plague star is also a thing, 7-9 drones with 2-3 heralds and epidemus. Bring grimoire if you feel fancy. 2 nurgle grinders and a blight drone to get some shooting wounds. Get epidemus tally up, fish for endurance/cursed earth and pop grimoire on the big unit of drones. It's not as killy due to lack of low ap, but with epidemus it is crazy resilient and super poison. Keep DP/GUO within epidemus range for extra fun.

Mono nurgle incursion doesn't really work though, you can try a plague star/nurgling swarm, but you have to spend so many points on the beasts of nurgle that it just isn't really worth it, and you lack punch.

Please don't forget that 1 box of Nurglings can EASILY be assembled as 6 separate bases, not just 3
You just glue the front 2 "slabs" onto a base, then put the rear "slab" + some of the extra nurlgings onto another base.

I personally got 9 bases out of 1 box, but that took a bit of cutting & pasting since the front 2 slabs are a bit more connected via shared hands & horns. And even then I have 7-8 actual Nurglings per base

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Galef wrote:Please don't forget that 1 box of Nurglings can EASILY be assembled as 6 separate bases, not just 3
You just glue the front 2 "slabs" onto a base, then put the rear "slab" + some of the extra nurlgings onto another base.

I personally got 9 bases out of 1 box, but that took a bit of cutting & pasting since the front 2 slabs are a bit more connected via shared hands & horns. And even then I have 7-8 actual Nurglings per base

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I appreciate your advice, even though i already knew it =). I personally like the bunched up Nurglings better (all 3 parts on 1 base), but it's a good advice for saving money^^.

gwarsh41 wrote:I run mono nurgle pretty often and enjoy it quite a bit. I don't run tournaments, but it does well enough. My go-to unit is 4 drones with ap2 character, icon, and poison upgrade. Bring 2 of those and you can deep strike a GUO just about anywhere you want. I bring along a 10PB with instrument/icon to bring the GUO in turn 2 just about wherever I want him.

FW Blight drones are pretty sweet for mono nurgle. As said before, nurglings are really great for their points, I've had mine hold up tactical marines for way too long.
Plague star is also a thing, 7-9 drones with 2-3 heralds and epidemus. Bring grimoire if you feel fancy. 2 nurgle grinders and a blight drone to get some shooting wounds. Get epidemus tally up, fish for endurance/cursed earth and pop grimoire on the big unit of drones. It's not as killy due to lack of low ap, but with epidemus it is crazy resilient and super poison. Keep DP/GUO within epidemus range for extra fun.

Mono nurgle incursion doesn't really work though, you can try a plague star/nurgling swarm, but you have to spend so many points on the beasts of nurgle that it just isn't really worth it, and you lack punch.

Yeah Dronestar is really good, but also expansive. I think the GUO is not worth the Points, if you don't use him to unlock Princes. He is slow (altough really tough and strikes hard with the right buffs) without an icon and if you deepstrike him he sits around one round and the enemy can avoid him or kill him (if enough firepower and no other good Targets).
In my opinion he is only good for unlocking DPs or as a summoning battery.

I don't know, i think the incursion is better than a CAD. You mitigate the bad Warpstorm results and can corrupt objectives which gives you an advantage in early Game and maybe in later Turns. Yeah i agree if you play a rotswarm it's kind of expansive but you can also make a good Dronestar with it and have a lot of scoring beasts. The Tallyband is also good and no overwatch for units is also really good. You can bind some shooty units with a bunch of Plaguebearers or Nurglings and don't have to fear to lose half the squad to some gakky overwatch.

If you want a Dronestar go with a CAD (think a said this a few posts before) but for a flying Circus Style i prefer the Incursion. No tax GUO and you get 4 Princes instead of only 3 and you don't need Fateweaver for the Warpstorm.

Getting Grotti into play with a tough flying DP is a must, be careful with Nurglings as many armies have access to Ignores Cover. Likewise DPs - if they lose one and get Markerlit in view of the big Railgun, they're turning into a green mist.

 lindsay40k wrote:
Getting Grotti into play with a tough flying DP is a must, be careful with Nurglings as many armies have access to Ignores Cover. Likewise DPs - if they lose one and get Markerlit in view of the big Railgun, they're turning into a green mist.

To which list do you refer to or is it a general advice?=)

If you meant mine, i have Grotti in my army^^. Yeah Ignores Cover hurts a Nurgle army bad=(.

You're absolutely right, so Tau is a hard matchup for mono Nurgle. But maybe with a lot of summoning and good Biomancy powers you can see some light against them?

Yeah, it's gotta be target saturation IMO. I'd give one DP Grimoire and Malefic, another one Malefic, another one Biomancy, another one Plague. On turn two, try Grimoire on Malefic DP, if it works then add Cursed Earth for 2++, and land within charge distance of the S10 along with anyone who can Iron Arm and Vitality. Surplus charge, use it to recover lost wounds and summon Distraction Carnifexes - Plague Drones are really tempting targets for S10.

Bigger games, a minimal CAD with Heralds can bring along more Warp Charge and fire Torrents & Melta beams out of 2++ Ruins. Tau hiding behind fortifications get a nasty surprise when they die to 2+ whilst their targets are basically unkillable without expending Marker Lights.

Hm don't know the Grim without Fateweaver is only 2/3 change of success. So if it don't work on second Turn you have some serious problems.

How do Nurgle Herolds fire Melta Beams? Thought they only can have Plague, Biomancy and Malefic?

Sorry if this is a newbie question (although it is on topic)- can you run a CAD list using the Daemonic Incursion book?

 B Stores wrote:
Sorry if this is a newbie question (although it is on topic)- can you run a CAD list using the Daemonic Incursion book?

This is a confusing question. The Daemonic Incursion is it's own detachment that has nothing to do with a CAD.
However, if you are asking if you can use the Psy powers, WL traits & wargear from the CotW book in a regular CAD, yes, yes you can and you should, cuz they're awesome

 B Stores wrote:
Sorry if this is a newbie question (although it is on topic)- can you run a CAD list using the Daemonic Incursion book?

Yes, you can! The section starting with the title 'The Hell-Spawned Host' lists Army List Entries of the Chaos Daemons faction with their Battlefield Roles (HQ, Troops, etc). A few pages into the section starting with the title 'Scions of the Warp' there are more Army List Entries for Be'lakor, Exalted Flamers, and various Bloodthirsters, all of which are HQ choices for Chaos Daemons. It also lists Warlord Traits, Hellforged Artefacts, and Psychic Disciplines that are available to various Army List Entries within the book, and Formations, which are an alternative to a CAD but not the only option.

Ah cool, thank you! I'm trying to come up with a mono nurgle list too- I've been in and out of the hobby for decades but never quite caught up with the rules; all these formations are a little boggling

Yeah, it takes a while to get used to them but at the end of the day they present some interesting/powerful options for collectors who build a characterful force/pay a unit tax.

The great unclean one for me has been amazing I make him lvl 3 two greater deep strike in the enemy lines he kills so much and take so much fire I've played 5 games with him and he's never given up warlord yet.

Take 3 Soulgrinders of Nurgle and you'll do well. Two with Baleful Torrents that Deepstrike and one with Phlegm.

XT-1984 wrote:
Take 3 Soulgrinders of Nurgle and you'll do well. Two with Baleful Torrents that Deepstrike and one with Phlegm.

Thought about it sounds fun specially the torrent ones