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 Loremaster Of Awesomeness wrote:
'Are you getting rid of points?
Not at all. There will be a full points system, for use in matched play – one of three ways to play covered in the rulebook.'

So, it's definately going down the Sigmar route? Ok then

They said exactly this at the AdeptiCon seminar in March.

 warboss wrote:

What happens to my codexes?
The rules in our current range of Warhammer 40,000 codexes aren’t compatible with the new
edition of Warhammer 40,000. These books will be going off sale very soo n.

About fething time and good riddance to 6th/7th style books. Hopefully the idea of formations that dole out free bonuses and models as long as you spend $$$ is gone for good.

100% agreement.

 warboss wrote:

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:

 warboss wrote:

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
No one knows as the 2nd General's Handbook hasn't been released yet. It could go either way.

What about the first one? Did they put up the rules (without fluff, art, explanations, etc) on their website for free after they released it?

Nope, you have to buy it (either physically or digitally).

Then in that case it is NOT an improvement. One purchase every five years vs a purchase at 2/3 the cost EVERY year for five years to keep updated is a step back in terms of actual barrier to playing. I hope they don't pull that gak and label it as somehow consumer friendly like they did with unbound and formations.

The General's handbook is 25$, dude. Calm down. Further, you don't need the campaign books. Go look at the AoS page on GW site. Free pdfs galore for the armies and inexpensive Generals Handbook.

 ncshooter426 wrote:
I love the salt flowing already over this. I'm amazed that folks actually don't like where this is going.

I am very happy -- I just want the damn rules and warscrolls for SIsters+DE available like NOW.

I am with you. I am excited and hopeful about what I am hearing.

 warboss wrote:
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I'm totally calm.. I'm just not optimistic. There is a difference.

Fair enough.

I am not a fan of 6th or 7th edition, either. I like how AoS has ended up and look forward to General's Handbook style 40k. I am most excited about how FW will be included and curious if they also mean Horus Heresy.

 Draccan wrote:
Oh and changing 40k scale is a dealbreaker in my book...
Sure you can play with your old miniatures, but what happens when you want new unit types and new models?

Changing the scale to invalidate 20+ years of space marine models is just............... [no words]

I have two words. Bull gak.

They have been steadily increasing for 20+ years. Where have you been?



Left to right:

1. Assault on Black Reach starter set (5th edition)
2. Space Marines vs Tyranid box set (3rd edition?)
3. Old metal marine (3rd edition)
4. Death Watch Marine (7th edition)
5. Space Marines vs Tyranid box set (3rd edition?)
6. Dark Vengeance Chaos Marine (7th edition)

Which one is the right and proper scale that is being "invalidated"? 3rd edition was invalidated with the 4th edition Tactical Squad box. That was "invalidated" with Death Watch. And so on.

Further:



Which Rhino is the proper scale?

There is much to complain about, I suppose. But this complaint is the silliest. The marines have not been steady state for 20 years, they have been INCREASING STEADILY for 20 years.

 Maréchal des Logis Walter wrote:
GG games workshop, thanks to three edition in as many years,

3 in six years, but don't let facts ruin a good rant.

 Draccan wrote:


I agree that scale has been creeping up for years. That doesn't make it okay to give it a considerable notch up. You can't go to new "true scale" and expect vehicles not to change once again. With the amount of models produced and in people's possession by now it is a huge deal. Now if you just have static armies that is not a problem, but when new vehicles and units are needed or even whole new ones produced only in the true scale it undermines people's collections.

There is a huge difference between adding new scale upgrades to skirmish armies where people had 20-40 marines and a vehicle or two or three. Now many people have much larger arrays of vehicles and models and to change the scale on them is just ................................. [insert your favorite expletive here]

If you prefered the 5th edition SM sizes, I can respect that. I prefer the newer 7th edition sizes, though. I don't think they're terribly taller than the 5th edition ones.

I think we can all agree that, nostalgia aside, 3rd edition marines suck!

 loki old fart wrote:
I take it wrath of magnus and curse of the wulfen or worthless now

The fluff is not.

The scenarios aren't necessarily.

The rules/points? Probably.

 VeteranNoob wrote:
Couldn't be more excited for everything they said...and that's just the beginning.

I'm with this guy. I'll miss the flamer template, though.

 loki old fart wrote:
How will flamers work?
How is it done in AOS?

I also want to know this.

 whembly wrote:

But, spending time to move and spread out your models to mitigate template/blasts weapons is a time suck.

Like that one tournament player with ~100 orks that used a 2" tool to make sure he had maximum spacing in case I used all of the blasts that I didn't take in my army...

Liberal_Perturabo wrote:
Wow. Removing armor values from vehicles is dumb. Like, insanely dumb. Tanks being immune to small arms fire was the whole bloody point for having it. Now a bunch of guardsmen with lasguns will potentially be able to take down a land raider given enough time.

Assume a blob squad of 50 guardsmen shooting at a Land Raider from within 12" with lasguns. Assume a Land Raider has 15 wounds and a 2+ save.

50 dudes = 100 shots
needing 4s to hit = 50 hits.
Needing 6's to glance = 8.33 wounds.
Needing 2's to save: 1.4 wounds.

You'll need 11 rounds to kill the land raider.

 Not-not-kenny wrote:

 Latro_ wrote:

Liberal_Perturabo wrote:
Wow. Removing armor values from vehicles is dumb. Like, insanely dumb. Tanks being immune to small arms fire was the whole bloody point for having it. Now a bunch of guardsmen with lasguns will potentially be able to take down a land raider given enough time. This is pretty much one of the worst decisions GW could have made both from lore and gameplay standpoint.

i'd hold off on this sort of talk until more info comes out, for example they made a strong emphasis that stats are not capped at 10... lasguns wont be wounding your tank if its T6+ (assuming the to wound chart is the same)

They said more than once that everything can hurt everything.

COULD is the operative word! It doesn't say how likely, though. I COULD have a date with Fiona Apple tomorrow just by emailing her!

 Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:

 kronk wrote:


Assume a blob squad of 50 guardsmen shooting at a Land Raider from within 12" with lasguns. Assume a Land Raider has 15 wounds and a 2+ save.

50 dudes = 100 shots
needing 4s to hit = 50 hits.
Needing 6's to glance = 8.33 wounds.
Needing 2's to save: 1.4 wounds.

You'll need 11 rounds to kill the land raider.

And in return I would suspect lascannons will do multiple wounds that scythe through Guard and he'll be removing most of a unit a turn.

I'm OK with that.

 deviantduck wrote:

 kronk wrote:


COULD is the operative word! It doesn't say how likely, though. I COULD have a date with Fiona Apple tomorrow just by emailing her!

Congratulations on the most random celebrity name drop I've seen in awhile.
Side note: She's pretty far from the spot light. Emailing her probably has decent odds, so she might not be the best metaphor.

So you're saying there's a chance!

 kodos wrote:


so why just do it in the first place
a Land Raider being T10 with 2+ save that cannot be wounded by anything below S8 with ~6 Wounds gives the same result as the one that needed 15 wounds to compensate the can be wounded with a 6 rule

adding more rules than necessary to get the same result got us the bloated 7th edi in the first place

No idea, dude. That's how they wanted it, I guess. I don't disagree with you, but that's how it is.

Liberal_Perturabo wrote:

Yeah 50 guardsmen won't do the job. But what if it was 100 or more? What if they had BS modifiers or rerolls? I mean yeah thats a ton of models, so thats not really a good example. Bet we've got things like skitarii vanguard that have great BS and they make 3 shots. Does that justify a ton of them killing a LR? Of course it doesn't it's still a freaking LR. Taping a ton of rifles together does not make them into an anti-tank cannon, that's not how this works.

I never said I liked it. It's not fluffy. It's actually silly. It's just not very likely.

We don't yet know what lascannons, melta, or even rough rider lances will do to it, yet.

"Holy gak, Rough Riders are back, baby!" - Kronk

 rollawaythestone wrote:
Draigo and some paladins are an acceptable Death Star. It's the ridiculousness created by allied combos that they are talking about.

However, Draigo will no longer be protected "inside" the unit. He will be targetable in some way just like in AoS. It's possible he might get a look out sir or some such, though.

I think it's abominations like the Bark Bark Star that they're trying to curb.

That's why Lorek is my favorite moderator! You sux, Alph!


On topic: they did say that all 5 (!) faction books are available on release; right? Is something going to be limited print? Core rules?


"- 40k rules will have free PDF digital + printed store copies"

Forge world, too?

 Latro_ wrote:
I'm wondering if chaos marines and marines will be together in the new starter set box since they are on the cover. Therefore there is a chance their 'get you by' rules are included there.

That'll free up space in the other 5 books.

Not a chance. CSM + Daemons.

GoatboyBeta wrote:

 Latro_ wrote:
Time to invest in some wound counters then! anyone know of any good sites selling em?

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Citadel-Wound-Trackers aka D10's

Chessex, crystal caste, Q Workshop, koplow, GameScience, FFG, 3"x5" index cards, gem stones like MtG used to use, aquarium rocks, pennies, old codecies, etc.

 insaniak wrote:

Warhammer Community wrote:Don’t worry though – stuff still dies quickly, ...

So... not very close, then.

Disagree! If more than 25% of both players's armies still live, it was a dull affair!

Wha... Ork rockets hitting the table? Crazy talk!

Still excited. Can't wait. Hurry up with them rules!

 BrookM wrote:
I do hope that the Reaper chainsword is still godly though.

A close combat weapon on a Knight should pack quite a punch.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Probably slow on the up take, but one assumes Instant Death as we know it is gone?

I would not. They did say that S and T are still meaningful, so we'll see?

zamerion wrote:

tags added. BIG image.
reds8n

Spoiler:

I can't wait to paint that one!

 Ratius wrote:
Is that a Squat holding a beermug I see?

You bet your ass that's a squat holding a freaking beer mug!