40k New Edition Summary - 14th June 17: Lord Duncan paints Primaris in Gravis/non-codex SM focus

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I like everything shown so far but I may be biased being one of people who liked AoS ruleset from the start (I still cannot like its fluff though). Hopefully Tyranid swarm armies with few bigger creatures/MCs and walking Tyrants (even without TG wall) will be seen again.

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''The points for units don’t appear on the datasheet but will be elsewhere in the same book... It also means that, in the future, points for units could change without invalidating existing books...''

If the new points are in errata then yes but if they are in an updated book only then my old book will be invalidated.

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I wonder what the stats will be. T5? S5? W2? I hope that Custodes are still better.

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Primaris Ultramarines sounds bit weird, don't you think?

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ClockworkZion wrote:
zerosignal wrote:
Meh. Not really happy about this, but hey, it was expected.

Also, Belisarius Cawl is 10k years old. Since when did humans become immortal?

He's like 99.999999999999996% machine at this point, and likely spent a air amont of the last 10k years bouncing around the galaxy in the warp too.

I bet he is no more then 99.999999999999995

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https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/15/primaris-space-marines-gaming-may15gw-homepage-post-4/

So Custodes are still superior

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Only 5 in squad. Interesting.

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They can be just like HH marines. Bolterines (Intercessors), Plasmarines etc. etc. RG is definitely longing for old times

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buddha wrote:
I'm just glad the numarines are not their own faction and will be incorporated into all existing chapters. Anyone else dying to know what a space wolf numarine would look like?

But there will also be new chapters made exclusively from Primaris boys.

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Gamgee wrote:
ClockworkZion wrote:
Gamgee wrote:
Since you will find no justice when your just an outdated product line.

So now Marines are shoving in on Sisters territory?

Yep. Oh it will start fine. Maybe... one or two final releases here and there. Then a slowing of updates. Then not replacing models that sell out or need updating ect. It will be a slow one, but inevitable.

At least they had plastic models

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LightKing wrote:
So are the Primaris marines as powerful as the Primarchs?

Either it is a genuine question which means you have no idea what a Primarch is or it is a troll attempt..

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''...because if a Land Raider runs you over, you’ll feel it.'' - it made me laugh

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Twoshoes23 wrote:
E're w'e go' Ere we go'. Think well get another faction focus today? Methinks NEcrons

I hope for Tyranids.

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Chainswords at last! Love the changes to all weapons shown.

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LoW Detachment looks like all factions will be able to field it. Welcome Hierophant brood of awesomness (when they actually release the plastic model).

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ClockworkZion wrote:
Shadow Walker wrote:
LoW Detachment looks like all factions will be able to field it. Welcome Hierophant brood of awesomness (when they actually release the plastic model).

So basically never then?

They are scheduled right after the plastic Thunderhawk

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I wonder what number of wounds is needed for a model to have M, S, A etc. reduction table. Swarmie is W12 and Dread is W8 only.

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If the nr of W needed for a reduction table is 11+ then it would mean that Dread would not suffer reduction in performance which would be weird.

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changemod wrote:
Shadow Walker wrote:
If the nr of W needed for a reduction table is 11+ then it would mean that Dread would not suffer reduction in performance which would be weird.

We already know that dreads don't have an asterisk anywhere in their profile.

They show us fragments of their choosing. Dread was shown when they talked about profiles but only later we learned about reduction tables. It is still possible that dread may have some table too.

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ClockworkZion wrote:
I rather like that the core rules have built in optional enhancements built in. By not cramming them into the core rules it keeps the main game simplified, but by having them there players aren't being forced to shell out extra money for what was usually a page or so of extra stuff to take into consideration.

Fully agreed.

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Wow, that starter box is awesome. I even like these weird Assault PSM. Gravis armour looks like a mix of new Terminator and Artificier.

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tirnaog wrote:

Also where Sisters of Battle,{dont like new name}.
Have they been finally dropped?
Was the only Imperial Army I was interested in doing.
:(

Sisters are probably in Imperial Agents list.

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Alpharius wrote: ''I'm interested to know more about their version of artificer armor, and especially their version of Terminator armor - if they're getting it...''

I think that Gravis (from captain) is either artificier or termie one.

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I am waiting for Talons of the Emperor faction focus. Maybe they will reveal more Custodes options like ones from FW Inferno.

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Gravis gives +1T so it will not be a replacement for Artificier or Termie like I thought previously.

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They said that characters will have more wounds (which is reasonable when they cannot join squads anymore). I predict 5 minimum for SM/Big Mek, 4 for humans/eldar, 7 for Warboss/Tyranid Prime.

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changemod wrote:
Daedalus81 wrote:
Mr Morden wrote:
Not really interested in the new Marines but it looks like 10" will be the move value for Jump pack troops?

Each jump/jetpack may very well have different values.

Note that the Gravis plate has a 5 inch move, so it's quite possible that jump Gravis is 10 inch whilst jump regular plate is 12 inch.

Exactly. It would make a perfect sense for regular ASM which carry mostly cc weapons = are lighter to have better M value than a heavy weapons Inceptors.

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Deadshot wrote:
The more I read about Inceptors the more brain cells I lose. Assault Marines with bike toughness toting double heavy bolters is absolute madness. Matt Ward and CS Goto love child level madness. Spartan kick into the endless pit level madness. If anyone had posted something like that in Proposed Rules they'd have been chased out by an angry mob.

What choice does the Imperium has if not to opose the madness of chaos with their own?

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Looks like master-crafted gives 2D instead usuall 1. Ninjad

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Robin5t wrote:
That's quite a lot of firepower they're putting out. 18 shots from three marines.

I bet they will cost a lot.