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2017/06/27 18:08:50
Subject: We've seen the ITC results, but what about Dakkas results so far?
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Potent Possessed Daemonvessel
Why Aye Ya Canny Dakkanaughts!
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So we have seen the ITC results from the first week but how about we get a Dakka results going? See if we can't compile our own data since the ITC results only covered 100 games.
Post the name of the armies that have played so far in your local group and how many games they have won so far, here is what we have so far:
It's back to the old grind for me unfortunately so I'm afraid I've been too busy to update the results for quite some time now and I doubt I'll be able to update them for some time to come. Feel free to continue posting results and discussing balance (and maybe even some kind semariton will continue to update the table in their own posts), however the OP will not be updated from now on. I'm terribly sorry to those of you who've been using these results.
Astra Militarium - 176W 109L
Space Marines - 122W 131L 10W 15L
Tyranids - 88W 85L
Orks - 85W 120L
Eldar - 84W 75L
Tau - 78W 105L
Chaos Space Marines - 75W 106L 2W 1L
Dark Eldar - 71W 49L
Dark Angels - 61W 69L
Adepta Sororitas - 58W 12L
Necrons - 53W 69L
Space Wolves - 51W 56L
Ad mech - 45W 36L
Thousand Sons - 42W 21L
Daemons - 37W 31L
Blood Angels - 37W 49L
Grey Knights - 34W 33L 0W 1L
Ynnari - 26W 14L
Imperial Knights - 26W 18L
Death Guard - 24W 47L
World Eaters - 20W 10L 1W 0L
Harlequins - 14W 10L
Fallen - 10W 12L
Inquisition - 9W 4L
Deathwatch - 7W 23L
Emperors Children - 6W 1L 0L 0L
Adeptus Custodes - 5W 7L
Genestealer Cult - 5W 16L
Titanicus - 2W 0L
Renegade Guard - 2W 1L
Win percentages:
Word of warning, unless you want to get this thread locked, this thread is here to report battle results and to discuss whether an army is balance, OP or weak. Any discussion about specific units of an army (i.e. talking about conscripts, stormravens, etc.) is to be taken to a different thread. 
Please post your results and I'll add them to the running total and try to order them as they change.
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Ghorros wrote:The moral of the story: Don't park your Imperial Knight in a field of Gretchin carrying power tools.
 Marmatag wrote:All the while, my opponent is furious, throwing his codex on the floor, trying to slash his wrists with safety scissors.
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2017/06/27 19:18:43
Subject: Re:We've seen the ITC results, but what about Dakkas results so far?
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Monster-Slaying Daemonhunter
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Personally:
Imperial Guard vs. Space Marines
Imperial Guard vs. Orks
Sisters of Battle vs. Chaos Space Marines
Imperial Guard vs. Harlequins
Imperial Guard vs. Necrons
Sisters of Battle vs. Necrons
Imperial Guard vs. Renegade Guard
Sisters of Battle vs. Tyranids
Imperial Guard vs. Tyranids
I'm at 9 wins out of 9 games played, 3 with the Sisters and 6 with the Guard.
No small amount of being 9 for 9 is because I've been preparing and simulating list and developing counters and counter for the counters since the rules were leaked, while most of my friends are still trying to work out what's effective. I also brought a list with 2 tanks at 500 points to an opening-day event, which didn't make me friends.
Other games, mostly from the opening day event but a few from later: [Won vs. Lost]
Necrons vs. Orks
Chaos Space Marines vs. Space Marines
Orks vs. Space Marines
Imperial Guard vs. Space Marines
Imperial Guard vs. Imperial Guard
Renegade Guard vs. Necrons
Orks vs. Tau
Tau vs. Orks
Tyranids vs. Necrons
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Guardsmen, hear me! Cadia may lie in ruin, but her proud people do not! For each brother and sister who gave their lives to Him as martyrs, we will reap a vengeance fiftyfold! Cadia may be no more, but will never be forgotten; our foes shall tremble in fear at the name, for their doom shall come from the barrels of Cadian guns, fired by Cadian hands! Forward, for vengeance and retribution, in His name and the names of our fallen comrades! |
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2017/06/27 19:33:17
Subject: Re:We've seen the ITC results, but what about Dakkas results so far?
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Potent Possessed Daemonvessel
Why Aye Ya Canny Dakkanaughts!
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 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:Personally:
Imperial Guard vs. Space Marines
Imperial Guard vs. Orks
Sisters of Battle vs. Chaos Space Marines
Imperial Guard vs. Harlequins
Imperial Guard vs. Necrons
Sisters of Battle vs. Necrons
Imperial Guard vs. Renegade Guard
Sisters of Battle vs. Tyranids
Imperial Guard vs. Tyranids
I'm at 9 wins out of 9 games played, 3 with the Sisters and 6 with the Guard.
No small amount of being 9 for 9 is because I've been preparing and simulating list and developing counters and counter for the counters since the rules were leaked, while most of my friends are still trying to work out what's effective. I also brought a list with 2 tanks at 500 points to an opening-day event, which didn't make me friends.
Even if you did prepare, that's an impressive streak to start the edition with! New scores have been added.
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Ghorros wrote:The moral of the story: Don't park your Imperial Knight in a field of Gretchin carrying power tools.
Marmatag wrote:All the while, my opponent is furious, throwing his codex on the floor, trying to slash his wrists with safety scissors.
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2017/06/27 19:37:13
Subject: We've seen the ITC results, but what about Dakkas results so far?
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Drop Trooper with Demo Charge
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Well I can say the exact opposite however Id say my results are a little skewed as well.
Imperial Guard vs Tyranids
winner: Tyranids
Imperial Guard and Ad Mech vs Space Wolves
Winner: Space Wolves
Though a lot of this is due to playing around with new units and general messing around, Im still not quite running the AM up to snuff.
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2017/06/27 19:44:14
Subject: We've seen the ITC results, but what about Dakkas results so far?
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Potent Possessed Daemonvessel
Why Aye Ya Canny Dakkanaughts!
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 SplinteredShield wrote:Well I can say the exact opposite however Id say my results are a little skewed as well.
Imperial Guard vs Tyranids
winner: Tyranids
Imperial Guard and Ad Mech vs Space Wolves
Winner: Space Wolves
Though a lot of this is due to playing around with new units and general messing around, Im still not quite running the AM up to snuff.
Updated. We'll all adjust eventually.
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Ghorros wrote:The moral of the story: Don't park your Imperial Knight in a field of Gretchin carrying power tools.
Marmatag wrote:All the while, my opponent is furious, throwing his codex on the floor, trying to slash his wrists with safety scissors.
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2017/06/27 19:47:03
Subject: We've seen the ITC results, but what about Dakkas results so far?
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Yellin' Yoof
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I've played 2 games this weekend.
Orks V Tau
:Winner Tau
Orks V Deathwatch
:Winner Orks
EDIT; Other game in the store I watched
IG V Death Guard
:Winner IG
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2017/06/27 19:49:28
Subject: We've seen the ITC results, but what about Dakkas results so far?
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Damsel of the Lady
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I've only been involved in two games because my group is so busy with other stuff right now, but:
Adeptus Custodes Vs. CSM: Winner CSM
Imperial Knights Vs. Tyranids: Winner Tyranids
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2017/06/27 19:49:34
Subject: We've seen the ITC results, but what about Dakkas results so far?
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Shadowy Grot Kommittee Memba
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My games:
Dark Eldar wyches vs Imperial Guard tanks win
Dark Eldar wyches vs Ynnari win
Dark Eldar wyches vs Thousand Sons loss
Dark Eldar wyches vs Sisters of Battle win
Genestealer Cult vs Adeptus Mechanicus loss
Orks vs Space Marines win
Guard vs Guard win
Guard vs Space Wolves loss
And I have observed:
Ultramarines beat World Eaters
Eldar beat Admech
Guard beat Admech
Space Marines beat Guard
it's just a really random distribution. Things have been quite balanced so far.
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"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"
"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"
"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"
"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!" |
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2017/06/27 19:58:47
Subject: We've seen the ITC results, but what about Dakkas results so far?
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Potent Possessed Daemonvessel
Why Aye Ya Canny Dakkanaughts!
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Updated.
the_scotsman wrote:it's just a really random distribution. Things have been quite balanced so far.
We'll have to see, if all armies get about a 50:50 win loss ratio then it's balanced.
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Ghorros wrote:The moral of the story: Don't park your Imperial Knight in a field of Gretchin carrying power tools.
Marmatag wrote:All the while, my opponent is furious, throwing his codex on the floor, trying to slash his wrists with safety scissors.
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2017/06/27 20:25:41
Subject: We've seen the ITC results, but what about Dakkas results so far?
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Death-Dealing Devastator
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Just got done with the Boise GT using 8th rules. I brought my Black Templars. My games were
vs. Khorne Bezerker army (win)
vs. Space wolves (win)
vs. Necrons (win)
vs. Blood Angels (loss)
vs. Ultramarines (loss)
The top 3 was Blood Angels, Ynnari, and Guilliman Marines. Not sure if there is any rhyme or reason to lists at the moment. Several factions with widely varying lists.
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2017/06/27 20:36:05
Subject: We've seen the ITC results, but what about Dakkas results so far?
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Been Around the Block
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Here are the following games I have played/seen. Also added in some information about the games for more info.
I myself have played the following:
Daemons vs Nids - Winner Daemons
Daemons vs Dark Eldar - Winner Daemons
Thousand Sons vs Orks - Winner Orks
Thousand Sons vs Blood Angels - Winner Thousand Sons (Angel player just getting back into the game since 5th)
Tzeentch (just 1k sons and the changeling) vs Orks - Winner Chaos
I have seen the following:
Imperial Guard (Conscript spam) vs Orks - Winner Guard (barely, though the Conscripts did shoot a Battle Wagon off the board. They also had Yarick)
Death Watch vs Daemons - Winner Death Watch (really new Daemon player)
Chaos Soup (Typhus, poxwalkers, and Knights) vs Imperials (had Guilman and gold marines left when I saw the table, player normally plays Custodes so I'm assuming they were killed) - Winner Chaos
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2017/06/27 20:37:28
Subject: We've seen the ITC results, but what about Dakkas results so far?
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Stern Iron Priest with Thrall Bodyguard
UK
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Space wolves VS nids i won.
Wolves Vs orks today i won by a big margin.
So far doing well in 8th.
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2017/06/27 20:38:14
Subject: We've seen the ITC results, but what about Dakkas results so far?
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Fireknife Shas'el
Lisbon, Portugal
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Do very few games count? We're slowly learning rules and then will start playing more in July. For now, we had:
DA vs DE - DA victory (tight one)
SW vs DE - SW victory
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AI & BFG:  / BMG: Mr. Freeze, Deathstroke / Battletech: SR, OWA / Fallout Factions: BoS / HGB: Caprice / Malifaux: Arcanists, Guild, Outcasts / MCP: Mutants / SAGA: Ordensstaat / SW Legion: CIS / WWX: Union
 Unit1126PLL wrote:"FW is unbalanced and going to ruin tournaments."
"Name one where it did that."
"IT JUST DOES OKAY!"
 Shadenuat wrote:Voted Astra Militarum for a chance for them to get nerfed instead of my own army.
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2017/06/27 20:45:50
Subject: We've seen the ITC results, but what about Dakkas results so far?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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We're learning the rules so not a lot of games.
Orks vs Harlequins - Harlequins win
Orks vs Harlequins vs Craftworlds (1v1v1) - Eldar win
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2017/06/27 20:56:41
Subject: We've seen the ITC results, but what about Dakkas results so far?
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Hissing Hybrid Metamorph
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I am at a 50% win rate with my death guard, 50% loss where I didn't bring Spartan assault tank, and 50% win rate where I did take my Spartan assault tank 
Death Guard really need a good fleshing out in their codex.
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2017/06/27 20:59:27
Subject: We've seen the ITC results, but what about Dakkas results so far?
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Clousseau
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Some of these I've played in, some I've spectated. Personally I have done incredibly well in 8th edition, believe it or not. 4/4!
Blood Angels vs Orks; Blood Angels; BA went first
Grey Knights vs Daemons; Grey Knights; GK went first
Ultramarines vs Blood Angels; Ultramarines; BA went first
Ultramarines vs Daemons; Ultramarines; UM went first
Imperial Guard vs Imperial Guard; Imperial Guard; Winner went first
Imperial Guard vs Orks; Imperial Guard; Guard went first
Necrons vs Genestealers; Necrons; Necrons went first.
Dark Angels vs Harlequins; Dark Angels; Dark Angels went first
Dark Angels vs Orks; Orks; Dark Angels went first
Eldar vs Ultramarines; Eldar; Don't know who went first.
Ministorum vs Ultramarines; Ministorum; Don't know who went first.
I'm sure there are a couple i'm forgetting. I've watched quite a few.
There is a guard player at my shop who is just stomping all over people. I want to catch more of his games.
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 Galas wrote:I remember when Marmatag was a nooby, all shiney and full of joy. How playing the unbalanced mess of Warhammer40k in a ultra-competitive meta has changed you 
Bharring wrote:He'll actually *change his mind* in the presence of sufficient/sufficiently defended information. Heretic.
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2017/06/27 21:00:13
Subject: We've seen the ITC results, but what about Dakkas results so far?
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Potent Possessed Daemonvessel
Why Aye Ya Canny Dakkanaughts!
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Updated.
 Rippy wrote:I am at a 50% win rate with my death guard, 50% loss where I didn't bring Spartan assault tank, and 50% win rate where I did take my Spartan assault tank
Death Guard really need a good fleshing out in their codex.
Yeah, hopefully Morty can give them a good boost along with some cult units. Automatically Appended Next Post: I have to head off to sleep now so probably won't be able to update the data table for a while, I'll see you in the morning. (If one of the American or night owl members of the forum could keep updating over night so that I can copy paste into the OP when I wake up you'd be a lofe saver)
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Ghorros wrote:The moral of the story: Don't park your Imperial Knight in a field of Gretchin carrying power tools.
Marmatag wrote:All the while, my opponent is furious, throwing his codex on the floor, trying to slash his wrists with safety scissors.
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2017/06/27 21:27:45
Subject: We've seen the ITC results, but what about Dakkas results so far?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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I think Morty, a Terminator unit, and one tank of some kind/ maybe another drone of some kind with a bigger gun would fill them out. It would be roughly 1k sons equivalent.
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2017/06/27 21:33:42
Subject: We've seen the ITC results, but what about Dakkas results so far?
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Fresh-Faced New User
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Here are my 2000 pt games;
My Army vs Opponent - My Result
Imperial Knights vs Orks - Loss
Imperial Knights vs Tyranids - Loss
Imperial Knights vs Deathguard -Win
Imperial Knights vs Deathguard -Win
Imperial Knights vs Deathguard -Win
Imperial Knights and Space Wolves vs Orks - Loss
Ad Mech vs Ultramarines - Win
Imperial Knights and Ad Mech vs Tyranids - Win
Imperial Knights and Ad Mech vs Black Legion - Win
Ad Mech vs Black Legion - Loss
Space Wolves vs Black Legion - Loss
Space Wolves vs Thousand Sons - Win
Imperial Knights vs Astra Militarum - Loss
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2017/06/27 21:43:50
Subject: We've seen the ITC results, but what about Dakkas results so far?
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Loyal Necron Lychguard
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Chaos vs Space Marines - Loss
Thousand Sons+Space Marines vs Imperial Guard+Genestealers - Win
Chaos vs Fallen - Win
Chaos vs Imperial Guard - Win
Chaos vs Imperial Guard - Win
Chaos vs Space Marines - Loss
"Chaos" meaning about a half/half mixture of Thousand Sons and Tzeentch Daemons. Note that our Space Marine player is the best in the group and our Imperial Guard player is... not, so these results aren't exactly indicative of how good the armies themselves are.
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2017/06/27 22:21:23
Subject: We've seen the ITC results, but what about Dakkas results so far?
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Deathwing Terminator with Assault Cannon
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Chaos Space Marines vs. Orks - Loss
Eldar vs. Orks - Win
Have at least two more games this week, which should add some more data.
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2017/06/27 22:25:39
Subject: We've seen the ITC results, but what about Dakkas results so far?
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Chaos Space Marine dedicated to Slaanesh
italy
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My army , opponent , result.
All 1500 pts, lots of LOS blocking, not min/maxed lists
Emp. children - ultramarines - win
Emp. Children - deathwing - win
Black legion - ultramarines - win
Black legion - world eaters - loss
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2017/06/27 23:27:11
Subject: Re:We've seen the ITC results, but what about Dakkas results so far?
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Mysterious Techpriest
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All played with pure AdMech army, except the latest game where I added the Scions Start Collecting to try them out. If I recall correctly these are the results:
1000 pts vs Ynnari - Lost
1000 pts vs Imperium - Lost
1000 pts vs Primaris (Dark Imperium) - Won
1350 pts vs Aeldari - Lost
1000 pts vs Tyranids - Won
You have to know I'm limited in my army lists by the current models I own, and the Ynnari/Aeldari/Imperium player is one of the best players of my store, because he always write such powerful lists. The Imperium game was literally made of Guilliman, Cypher, Bjorn the Fell-Handed, Harald Deathwolf and some Tacticals, got obliterated (underestimated Guilliman). Now that I can add more variety in my army by the purchase of my Scions I may have more interesting results in the future.
Good idea by the way !
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2017/06/27 23:53:25
Subject: We've seen the ITC results, but what about Dakkas results so far?
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Ancient Space Wolves Venerable Dreadnought
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Matches I've been in and seen so far
Blood Angels vs Dark Angels - Blood Angels win
Ultramarines vs Primaris Ultramarines - Ultramarines win
Death Guard vs Primaris - Death Guard win
Imperial Guard vs Space Wolves - IG win my loss
Sisters vs Tyrannids - Sisters win
Tyrannids vs Tau - Tyrannids win
GSC vs Primaris - GSC win
Primaris vs Death Guard - Primaris win
Necrons vs Craftworld Eldar - Necrons win
Tyrannids vs Craftworld Eldar - Tyrannids win
GSC/Tyrannids vs Space Wolves - GSC/Tyrannids win my loss
Deathwatch vs Tau - Deathwatch win my win
Dark Angels vs Tyrannids - Dark Angels win
Imperial Guard vs Tau - Imperial Guard win
Tyrannids vs Ultramarines - Tyrannids win
Space Wolves vs Imperial Guard - Space Wolves win my win
Tau vs Necrons - Tau win
Necrons vs Tau - Necrons win
Space Wolves vs Dark Angels - Space Wolves win
Space Wolves vs Ultramarines - Draw me
Necrons vs Deathwatch - Necrons win
Necrons vs Craftworld Eldar - Necrons win
Necrons vs Ultramarines - Necrons win
Necrons vs Sisters of Battle - Necrons win
Deathwatch vs Deathwatch - oddly enough Deathwatch win my win
Deathwatch vs Necrons - Deathwatch win my win
Ultramarines vs Deathwatch - Ultramarines win
Space Wolves vs Blood Angels - Space Wolves win
The other Space Wolves player is better than me, looking forward to a game against him on the weekend, he signed us to a grudge match in the first round of a 2000 point tournament.
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I don't break the rules but I'll bend them as far as they'll go. |
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2017/06/28 00:22:25
Subject: We've seen the ITC results, but what about Dakkas results so far?
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Warp-Screaming Noise Marine
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Deamons vs Death Guard:
Winner Death guard
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2017/06/28 00:24:43
Subject: We've seen the ITC results, but what about Dakkas results so far?
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Locked in the Tower of Amareo
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BA, even when played poorly by myself, beat Orks.
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2017/06/28 02:44:32
Subject: Re:We've seen the ITC results, but what about Dakkas results so far?
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The Last Chancer Who Survived
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200 pts Eldar vs Ultramarines = Eldar Win.
200 pts Eldar vs Ultramarines = Ultramarine Win (Same battle replayed).
500 pts Eldar vs Ultramarines = Eldar Win (By default after inappropriate behaviour by the other player, who could very easily have won).
So... mine are a little murky.
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2017/06/28 08:33:28
Subject: We've seen the ITC results, but what about Dakkas results so far?
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Potent Possessed Daemonvessel
Why Aye Ya Canny Dakkanaughts!
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Updated. Seems most factions are getting a 50:50 split now.
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Ghorros wrote:The moral of the story: Don't park your Imperial Knight in a field of Gretchin carrying power tools.
Marmatag wrote:All the while, my opponent is furious, throwing his codex on the floor, trying to slash his wrists with safety scissors.
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2017/06/28 11:54:30
Subject: Re:We've seen the ITC results, but what about Dakkas results so far?
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On a Canoptek Spyder's Waiting List
Salisbury, UK
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Adeptus Custodes vs Deathwatch - Custodes win
Necrons vs Eldar - Eldar win
Necrons Vs Space Wolves - Draw
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2017/06/28 12:26:10
Subject: We've seen the ITC results, but what about Dakkas results so far?
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Fresh-Faced New User
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Eldar vs. SOB vs. Imperial Knights: Loss
Eldar vs. Blood Angels: Win
Death Guard vs. Tyranids: Win
Death Guard vs Imperial Guard / SM : Win
Death Guard vs Orks: Loss
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