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making a thread for the conversation from this thread so we don't gunk it up https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/450/737115.page#9594240

so here's why you're wrong.

1. Screening units have to actually do something, and that means they have to survive 2 turns in the fight phase (once on your opponents side,) once on your turn unless you fall back which accomplishes virtually nothing, you haven't actually slowed the enemy advance. and if you aren't doing damage to them in this, you've literally at the best case scenario bought a big bunker to put your models in... same damn effect. I'd suggest getting an actual imperial bunker, it's cheaper.
2. you have no data to support your claims.
3. Screening units aren't bad, but they do actually have to be able to KILL THINGS. But to say they are an absolute necessity is the most shortsighted slowed gak i've ever heard. Look outside the goddamn box for one fething moment people.

feel free to argue amongst yourselves but seeing as i literally just got done spanking my buddies raven wing without skitarii or your precious syndonians and nothing but onagers and kastelans, i'll agree to disagree until you bring actual prove not armchair quarterbacking and "theory" that isn't backed up with math, with work shown.

peace out stop clogging the mechanicus rumors thread, admit you were wrong or provide actual data to the contrary.

i agree with you but you know Ravenwing are not good right now right?

I have no idea what this conflict is about but I can't imagine that a gunline army would be worse with conscripts.

He ignored me after I said his list of literally just Cawl + AdMech artilery is stupid because you need screening units...
Because that's clearly a brilliant idea and Tyranids(for example) with they 3+ first turn charges won't destroy this army turn 1

How about coming over to the Tactica where this is being discussed instead of posting up this smug garbage post?

And FYI, I just got done playing my AdMech through a 6 week league and tourney. My data is based on playing a wide range of opponents, not just one game against Ravemwing. Hilarious you talk about evidence, but post none, while many of us in the Tactica thread have batreps and pictures to support our discussion.

See you in the Tactica, if you want to actually talk strategy and tactics for AdMech.

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:
How about coming over to the Tactica where this is being discussed instead of posting up this smug garbage post?

And FYI, I just got done playing my AdMech through a 6 week league and tourney. My data is based on playing a wide range of opponents, not just one game against Ravemwing. Hilarious you talk about evidence, but post none, while many of us in the Tactica thread have batreps and pictures to support our discussion.

See you in the Tactica, if you want to actually talk strategy and tactics for AdMech.

what tactica?

gendoikari87 wrote:

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:
How about coming over to the Tactica where this is being discussed instead of posting up this smug garbage post?

And FYI, I just got done playing my AdMech through a 6 week league and tourney. My data is based on playing a wide range of opponents, not just one game against Ravemwing. Hilarious you talk about evidence, but post none, while many of us in the Tactica thread have batreps and pictures to support our discussion.

See you in the Tactica, if you want to actually talk strategy and tactics for AdMech.

what tactica?

The AdMech Tactica in this subforum.

Meta matters, this isn't chess. Unless I am remembering wrong Gendo's local tourny scene limits deep strikes to 2 units. Also if no one else in his group plays one of the other armies that can pull of a legit T1 charge, then maybe screens are pointless.

Something that sometimes gets lost in the various posts I see, across many games, is that there is usually not a single Holy Grail that is the only way to get to the promised land of victory. I know min maxxing is very popular to do and it makes sense but there are times when doing that will hurt you, albiet potentially rare. It's all about playing the odds.

The only reason I even bothered to write any of the above is it was amusing to eat popcorn and read what was unfolding in the other thread. People got mildly butthurt and it is obvious with how this thread was started.

End of the day, there is no single right or wrong answer for the majority of things in the game. It all comes down to our individual likes and goals.

So if this topic starts up in the tactica thread, I hope people can use a little Prep H beforehand....

bortass wrote:
Meta matters, this isn't chess. Unless I am remembering wrong Gendo's local tourny scene limits deep strikes to 2 units. Also if no one else in his group plays one of the other armies that can pull of a legit T1 charge, then maybe screens are pointless.

Something that sometimes gets lost in the various posts I see, across many games, is that there is usually not a single Holy Grail that is the only way to get to the promised land of victory. I know min maxxing is very popular to do and it makes sense but there are times when doing that will hurt you, albiet potentially rare. It's all about playing the odds.

The only reason I even bothered to write any of the above is it was amusing to eat popcorn and read what was unfolding in the other thread. People got mildly butthurt and it is obvious with how this thread was started.

End of the day, there is no single right or wrong answer for the majority of things in the game. It all comes down to our individual likes and goals.

So if this topic starts up in the tactica thread, I hope people can use a little Prep H beforehand....

Screens aren't pointless, ever, you just have to know how to use them and what to use as screens. Syndonians do not have the damage output to justify their cost they are a points sync. you are better off upping your damage output. if you are going to run screens you should get something that can really put the hurt on like infiltrators or.... well admech doesn't really have anything else save maybe rust stalkers or vanguard enmass but then you have to worry about morale. when i do screens i use grey knight terminators (straight up grey knights might actually be better but i like the termies) something that can hit back effecively.

YES you might end up spending more on those "screening units" but they will make more of their points back than something that is just there to be a roadbump. Why? because if you lock something up in CC, unless you fall back (meaning you can't do anything with that unit that turn) you can't shoot the unit you locked up. So that unit you are using as a buffer needs to be able do do damage itself. Armies like tau do fine without this because they have absurd overwatch tricks.

if you want something to just keep the enemy out of CC with you grab a freaking bunker. I promise it will work better.

if the common wisdom is using syndonians to screen, it's no wonder admech is listed as bottom tier.


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sossen wrote:
I have no idea what this conflict is about but I can't imagine that a gunline army would be worse with conscripts.

Oh conscripts are amazing. I was mostly addressing the idea that "YOU MUST HAVE SYNDONIANS OR BE CRAP" because you know people can't think outside the damn box.


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bortass wrote:
Meta matters, this isn't chess. Unless I am remembering wrong Gendo's local tourny scene limits deep strikes to 2 units. Also if no one else in his group plays one of the other armies that can pull of a legit T1 charge, then maybe screens are pointless.

Something that sometimes gets lost in the various posts I see, across many games, is that there is usually not a single Holy Grail that is the only way to get to the promised land of victory. I know min maxxing is very popular to do and it makes sense but there are times when doing that will hurt you, albiet potentially rare. It's all about playing the odds.

The only reason I even bothered to write any of the above is it was amusing to eat popcorn and read what was unfolding in the other thread. People got mildly butthurt and it is obvious with how this thread was started.

End of the day, there is no single right or wrong answer for the majority of things in the game. It all comes down to our individual likes and goals.

So if this topic starts up in the tactica thread, I hope people can use a little Prep H beforehand....

Seems like the robots over there could not be beyond "YOU MUST DO X OR BE gak THAT IS THE WORD WRITTEN FROM ON HIGH" ... they actually called grey knights gak.... as if storm bolters being rapid fire 2 now wasn't a thing.


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 axisofentropy wrote:
i agree with you but you know Ravenwing are not good right now right?

it was only about half ravenwing. he did still have three combat squads and two full devestator squads which killed a kastelan. He ended up taking out one squad of grey knights and that kastelan before i tabled him.