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Sup dakka dudes.

I have been wanting to start collecting either the Elysians or DKOK since 5th edition but couldn't afford to so I've had to settle for Cadians. However, I am now in a position where I can [slowly] start building up one of these regiments.

The only problem is; I can't decide which one to go for. I love the aesthetics and background/tactics of both regiments. I love the idea of a load of special forces looking guys dropping out of be sky and giving the enemy what for but I also love the idea of artillery batteries, cavalry charges and tons of dudes fixing bayonets and running across no-mans land.

So, I turn to you guys to argue for one regiment or the other and help me to decide which I should spend my money on.

Cheers,
Ed

DKoK all the way in my view. Plus they look great. Elysians, not so much in my eyes but hey.

I really enjoy the Elysians and have never been a huge fan of DKoK. The ability to drop in your guys and effectively play the Tempestus style game of the main codex, only cheaper and better is very attractive this edition as well. The Officer of the Fleet errata is simply gravy. You can drop in an Elysian Command squad and a Platoon Commander or Company Commander and open up with 9 plasma shots, all rerolling 1s to hit and 8 rerolling 1s to wound. Very nice!

You could always go for both of course. Have DKoK ground forces anchoring a position and Elysians dropping in to support.

Death Korps is the only Guard regiment I really like, so I pick that one.

Death Korps just look so amazing to me. I started them this year and I am so happy I did. Granted being an older, resin, line from Forgeworld - every darn sculpt, including most of the vehicles are a nightmare to clean/build/assemble... but they are super gorgeous once you get going.

The Elysian heads always looked so goofy and insectoid to me.

For drop IG I much prefer Scions (or Kasrkin)... which ARE still actually better, though more expensive and you can't WAAC-spam the command squads per the FAQ, while with Elysians you can still technically do that - if that is your sort of thing.

Be warned though ...the DKoK addiction comes real fast. I intended to 'start slow' as well: http://atticwars40k.blogspot.com/2017/09/dead-men-incoming-start-of-my-death.html

Keep in mind a few things.

DKoK Grenadiers are still not back on FW site, if they interest you, you're out of luck.

If you want grav-chutes and closed face helmets, you'll have to get those on the side, cranking up the price of Elysians by a lot, but its all optionnal.

Death Korps are overrated imo. I like 'em, but the 'greatcloak worship' has somewhat dulled them for me. I prefer the more tactic00l aesthetic of the Elysians, plus the idea of a dedicated parachuting army that lacks heavy armour support feels very characterful, as opposed to armies that can still spam Deep Strike but have tanks roll up anyway.

Always liked kreig myself

To me dkok look better, but Elysian play style is way more fun and the aggressive nature of elysians fits how I like to play. I also like that elite para trooper infantry idea. I converted my elysians cause I hate the models

Whatever you like. I picked Elysians for the Hell of it but it is up to you. I like homebrew, taking parts and such from everything, wither it is first or third party, even stuff from other games. Be fun, be creative, and kick ass.

Both. But I voted Elysian cuz droppin from sphess is awesome.
Valkyries are also cool imo.

DKoK. They're the clone army, except gasmasked and more badass (My friend quite thoroughly pointed out that they're not exclusively german; apparently their coats are french and the masks could be of british make). Hell even the name Death Korps of Krieg sounds badass. Hell even the abbreviation is Badass. Even just saying DKoK sounds like some literal asskicking will be commencing (with trench-stained military boots no less).

I go for Elysians. Simply put, everyone and their mother wants DKoK just for the greatcoats in space look. I get that. Buy Elysians both look badass in my opinion and are one of the few times you'll see actually tech-savvy IG forces in combat. On the table top you'll benefit too from being more mobile and therefor able to swoop in on those objectives. Also drop sentinels... I mean common that's awesome. Also as said before everyone already collects DKoK from FW, you'll be the one badass who has a full Elysian army. I can count on my hand exactly how many DK armies I have seen but I've NEVER seen an Elysian army, that would be awesome and I think you would certainly get kudos from folks who see it.

Elysians. I would have loved to get to see their light vehicles across the board. While dkok feels like trench warfare of ww1, Elysians are the boys from Generation Kill..

Hmmm... some very interesting views and some good points raised in favour of both regiments. Thank you for your responses; they've given me a lot to think about. In terms of the poll, the Elysians are in front at the time of writing this post and, having read all of your posts, I have been swayed about 60/40 in their favour (however I still think the DKoK are awesome).

DKoK are my favourite infantry sculpts in the game.
Elysians look a bit dorky, in a likeable kind of way.

But Elysians seem to be really competitive.
Whilst DKoK are solid but not bleeding edge.

For me, the ruleset will come and go, but I'll still have the best looking troops in the game on my team. Krieg.

DKOK because there's more room for expansion. Play Elysians, and you can't fluffily bring much from the regiment that can't deep strike (e.g. "Oh hey this new imperial superheavy looks awesome!" "Oh I can't bring it I have an air-assault regiment.")

 Unit1126PLL wrote:
DKOK because there's more room for expansion. Play Elysians, and you can't fluffily bring much from the regiment that can't deep strike (e.g. "Oh hey this new imperial superheavy looks awesome!" "Oh I can't bring it I have an air-assault regiment.")

Of course you can. Im fact, having only half your army be elysians allows you to deepstrike all of your elysians, while your cadian detachment rumbles in on ground.

 Purifier wrote:

 Unit1126PLL wrote:
DKOK because there's more room for expansion. Play Elysians, and you can't fluffily bring much from the regiment that can't deep strike (e.g. "Oh hey this new imperial superheavy looks awesome!" "Oh I can't bring it I have an air-assault regiment.")

Of course you can. Im fact, having only half your army be elysians allows you to deepstrike all of your elysians, while your cadian detachment rumbles in on ground.

Well then in that case it's hardly an Elysian army any more than bringing 50% of your units as SoB is an Elysian army.

 Unit1126PLL wrote:

 Purifier wrote:

 Unit1126PLL wrote:
DKOK because there's more room for expansion. Play Elysians, and you can't fluffily bring much from the regiment that can't deep strike (e.g. "Oh hey this new imperial superheavy looks awesome!" "Oh I can't bring it I have an air-assault regiment.")

Of course you can. Im fact, having only half your army be elysians allows you to deepstrike all of your elysians, while your cadian detachment rumbles in on ground.

Well then in that case it's hardly an Elysian army any more than bringing 50% of your units as SoB is an Elysian army.

That depends on what the other 50% is. If the other 50% are not Elysians, the 50% Elysian army is more an Elysian army.

 Purifier wrote:

 Unit1126PLL wrote:

 Purifier wrote:

 Unit1126PLL wrote:
DKOK because there's more room for expansion. Play Elysians, and you can't fluffily bring much from the regiment that can't deep strike (e.g. "Oh hey this new imperial superheavy looks awesome!" "Oh I can't bring it I have an air-assault regiment.")

Of course you can. Im fact, having only half your army be elysians allows you to deepstrike all of your elysians, while your cadian detachment rumbles in on ground.

Well then in that case it's hardly an Elysian army any more than bringing 50% of your units as SoB is an Elysian army.

That depends on what the other 50% is. If the other 50% are not Elysians, the 50% Elysian army is more an Elysian army.

Er... what? I'm saying an army that's only 50% (by units) Elysian is not an Elysian army... it's a (whatever else) army...

... just like how I can't bring three Baneblades and one squad of MT and call it an MT army.

 Unit1126PLL wrote:


Er... what? I'm saying an army that's only 50% (by units) Elysian is not an Elysian army... it's a (whatever else) army...

... just like how I can't bring three Baneblades and one squad of MT and call it an MT army.

You started talking about sisters of battle for some reason. Your example isn't really comparable. 50% Elysians isn't one unit. And in your example you've got like 98% of the points in stuff that isn't MT. It would be a hard stretch calling that an MT army, yes.

And you're only talking fluff here, which is incredibly easy to justify. Elysians are like modern day US marines. They're trained to use most things they can come across. The Elysians on the table came across some tanks. The guys dropping in are supporting them.

 Purifier wrote:

 Unit1126PLL wrote:


Er... what? I'm saying an army that's only 50% (by units) Elysian is not an Elysian army... it's a (whatever else) army...

... just like how I can't bring three Baneblades and one squad of MT and call it an MT army.

You started talking about sisters of battle for some reason. Your example isn't really comparable. 50% Elysians isn't one unit. And in your example you've got like 98% of the points in stuff that isn't MT. It would be a hard stretch calling that an MT army, yes.

And you're only talking fluff here, which is incredibly easy to justify. Elysians are like modern day US marines. They're trained to use most things they can come across. The Elysians on the table came across some tanks. The guys dropping in are supporting them.

That's a stretch to me. If someone showed up with Pask, 3 TC Russes, and 6 other tanks as a Emperor's Fist tank company, and then dropped in 10 squads of Elysian infantry and said "I'm ELYSIAN!" I'd give them the shifty eye.

 Unit1126PLL wrote:

 Purifier wrote:

 Unit1126PLL wrote:


Er... what? I'm saying an army that's only 50% (by units) Elysian is not an Elysian army... it's a (whatever else) army...

... just like how I can't bring three Baneblades and one squad of MT and call it an MT army.

You started talking about sisters of battle for some reason. Your example isn't really comparable. 50% Elysians isn't one unit. And in your example you've got like 98% of the points in stuff that isn't MT. It would be a hard stretch calling that an MT army, yes.

And you're only talking fluff here, which is incredibly easy to justify. Elysians are like modern day US marines. They're trained to use most things they can come across. The Elysians on the table came across some tanks. The guys dropping in are supporting them.

That's a stretch to me. If someone showed up with Pask, 3 TC Russes, and 6 other tanks as a Emperor's Fist tank company, and then dropped in 10 squads of Elysian infantry and said "I'm ELYSIAN!" I'd give them the shifty eye.

Where are these examples coming from? We were talking about adding one tank you thought was cool to the army. Not building a full mechanised regiment.

I'm a DKoK player myself so naturally I'm biased in their favor. My main reason for liking them is my love of artillery and mass infantry rushes. Plus the fact that they just look awesome. Another thing about them I like is their older more vintage look which gives them a sense of being an army from another time.
On a side not you could always do a DKoK/Elysian combo. You can use the DKoK as a gunline with tanks and use them to pin enemies then drop your Elysian on top of them.

 Purifier wrote:

 Unit1126PLL wrote:

 Purifier wrote:

 Unit1126PLL wrote:


Er... what? I'm saying an army that's only 50% (by units) Elysian is not an Elysian army... it's a (whatever else) army...

... just like how I can't bring three Baneblades and one squad of MT and call it an MT army.

You started talking about sisters of battle for some reason. Your example isn't really comparable. 50% Elysians isn't one unit. And in your example you've got like 98% of the points in stuff that isn't MT. It would be a hard stretch calling that an MT army, yes.

And you're only talking fluff here, which is incredibly easy to justify. Elysians are like modern day US marines. They're trained to use most things they can come across. The Elysians on the table came across some tanks. The guys dropping in are supporting them.

That's a stretch to me. If someone showed up with Pask, 3 TC Russes, and 6 other tanks as a Emperor's Fist tank company, and then dropped in 10 squads of Elysian infantry and said "I'm ELYSIAN!" I'd give them the shifty eye.

Where are these examples coming from? We were talking about adding one tank you thought was cool to the army. Not building a full mechanised regiment.

Well some people draw the line there. I might be a little less suspicious (though I will think you are silly) if you bring 1 LRBT as Elysians. Others might more openly scoff.

For one thing, an airborne formation having 1, exactly 1, heavy tank and no others is just hysterical from a logistics perspective. Like that's almost worse than Elysians and non-Elysians operating together.

 Unit1126PLL wrote:
Like that's almost worse than Elysians and non-Elysians operating together.

What's bad about Elysians and non-Elysians working together?

 Purifier wrote:

 Unit1126PLL wrote:
Like that's almost worse than Elysians and non-Elysians operating together.

What's bad about Elysians and non-Elysians working together?

Nothing, except that it should make operational sense (e.g. a squadron of LRBTs, not just one).

That's the problem with Elysians. Their operations are so much more niche than the DKOK's that adding another force is a headache if you wanna stay fluffy.

 Unit1126PLL wrote:


That's the problem with Elysians. Their operations are so much more niche than the DKOK's that adding another force is a headache if you wanna stay fluffy.

I think you're just imagining problems where there are none.

 Purifier wrote:

 Unit1126PLL wrote:


That's the problem with Elysians. Their operations are so much more niche than the DKOK's that adding another force is a headache if you wanna stay fluffy.

I think you're just imagining problems where there are none.

Possibly? I also do my best to keep my armies sensible and fluffly and "realistic" (as much as such a term can be applied to 40k!). I actually think a squadron of Leman Russ tanks would look amazing alongside Elysians - I just wouldn't bring them until Valkyrie Sky Talons could carry them, 'cause it strikes me as unfluffy.