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The teaser actually looks good but i have zero hope for this movie.

Aparently the han solo actor cant act and had to have dialog coaches on set every day to help him. On top of that, who cares? Do we really want to watch han play dice for a ship? Do you give a gak where he got his vest? This is the most inconsequential sw movie.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 Lance845 wrote:
The teaser actually looks good but i have zero hope for this movie.

Aparently the han solo actor cant act and had to have dialog coaches on set every day to help him. On top of that, who cares? Do we really want to watch han play dice for a ship? Do you give a gak where he got his vest? This is the most inconsequential sw movie.

So far as I’m aware, that was a single, unsubstantiated ‘insider’ quote from a Clickbaor helll-hole?

My main Source is the Weekly Planet Pod Cast, who apparently have been getting stuff sent to them by people on the set. They say themselves that they can't say for sure that anything they hear is real, but I have also seen them be right way more often then wrong. The Solo movie has had tons of problems over the last year. Maybe they pull something good out of it. I doubt it.

Yeah Weekly planet is the first to admit they are just a couple of idiots with no foot in any door. But they are HUGE and people in the biz apparently contact them a lot. Not that they can prove that or anything. It's just people emailing them.

THAT being said I hope the dog in storm trooper armor is real.

Or people liked it. Everyone i actually know is i. That camp. Its honestly only this forum where i have seen the negativity.

Calling it worse than phantom menace or attack of the clones is insanity.

 Formosa wrote:

 Lance845 wrote:
Or people liked it. Everyone i actually know is i. That camp. Its honestly only this forum where i have seen the negativity.

Calling it worse than phantom menace or attack of the clones is insanity.

I find that very very hard to believe, , how could you not have seen any of the articles, you tube videos, reviews, fan reviews etc. That didn’t like it??

I listen to the weekly planet podcast, ive been watching this recently, and i talk to my friends. My moviepass tells me rotten tomatoes ratings. Why would i care what the crazy sw fanatics think about the movies that will never be what they want it to be? Youtube isnt going to have videos posted by people with mild middling or even reasonable opinions. Its going to extremists who are raving positive or negative which is all nonsense.

See, I was super happy they killed Snoak without an explanation of who he was, and that Rey's parents were nobody.

I felt like SW has been so bogged down in this one families story. It's all blood lines and destiny and blah blah. This movie was a breath of fresh air. A clean break. The first step on a new path that allows them to move forward and tell new stories.

Who is Snoak? Doesn't matter hes dead. Who were Rey's parents? Drunks. Nobodys. Doesn't matter, their dead. The last shot of the film shows a little kid who is also nobody pull the broom into his hand with the force, hold it like a lightsaber and look off into an expanse of stars. The heroes can be anybody. They don't have to come from anywhere. And there is an entire galaxy of places it can go.

If SW ended right there with the boundless potential before it it would be a good ending. If they take this clean break and run with it to give us things that are new than good. Thats what I want.

My circle all felt more or less the same.

Look, not everyone who hates tlj and fa are mysogynists. But you cannot claim that a bunch of them were not out there making derogatory comments and bashing on rey for having tits.

You are not a woman hater for disliking the movies. But criticising the people who hate the movies because they ARE woman haters is fair. If its not you who is woman hating then they are not talking about you when they are laying into them.

 Vulcan wrote:


How did they feel about Leia slapping Poe for doing exactly what she rewarded Luke for several decades earlier?

I know it's seemingly hard to believe, but everyone was just fine with the whole movie. Fine to really happy. As said before, SW has always been dumb. It's always had dumb jokes. It's always had weird crap that doesn't make sense. It's always been fantasy. It's always been made "for all ages" (despite having a lot of dismemberment in it).

Big fans of starwars had this story in their head of what more starwars could be. They have been reading books, playing games, and everything else for years. Nothing they released would ever match up to what everyone thought it could be. On top of that the kids who enjoyed all the dumb stuff before have grown up. Despite how dumb the ewoks are, or Leia's barely a character in 3 movies, or luke's miraculous mastery of skills as he needs them, all of that is given a pass under nostalgia.

I mean you COULD just reasonably say that Leia has GROWN UP in 30 years and learned some lessons and is now trying to stop these hot shot lil gaks from firing off half cocked instead of listening to the older "wiser" generation. You COULD also just say these characters are people and people make mistakes. But no. When it comes to the people who dislike these movies it's always why arn't these people perfectly acting exactly the same as they did 30 years ago or exactly the way YOU think they should based on your own head cannon and/or 30 years of expanded material.

You don't have to like it. And thats fine. If the new starwars movies are not to your liking then they are apparently not for you and you should stop going to see them and giving them your money. The DC comic movies are not for me. I like Batman, but I am tired of watching Batman use guns and kill people. I move along. You should too. But enough people really liked it that it made a metric gak ton of money and the director was given a whole trilogy. You are just going to have to find something else to watch.

 Vulcan wrote:

 Lance845 wrote:
Look, not everyone who hates tlj and fa are mysogynists. But you cannot claim that a bunch of them were not out there making derogatory comments and bashing on rey for having tits.

You are not a woman hater for disliking the movies. But criticising the people who hate the movies because they ARE woman haters is fair. If its not you who is woman hating then they are not talking about you when they are laying into them.

I guess that explains why Wonder Woman tanked as well... oh, wait, it DIDN'T. That pretty well puts a stake in the heart of your argument.

And don't go claiming people hated TLJ it heavily featured a black character either, because Black Panther has done quite well and disproves THAT argument as well.

What?

I actually have no idea what you are trying to say here? WW and Blackpanther did good because they are good movies. Just like TLJ did good because it's a good movie. There are people who hated on all 3 of those films because they are bigots, but that doesn't matter. There are also people who didn't like those movies because they just didn't like them. And that parts fine. You don't have to like everything... or anything!

But calling out the bigots for being bigots isn't wrong. Again, if you didn't like the movies for non-bigot reasons then good on you. Have your opinion. If you DID hate on those movies for bigot reasons, then feth you. I am glad the movies made millions of dollars and I hope they make more over and over again just to spite you.


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 Vulcan wrote:

Now Leia in the first trilogy, THERE was a strong female character.

WHAT!?

Carrie Fischer herself has always been upset about how little of a character Leia even was. She barely existed as a person in all 3 movies besides to get captured twice and be put in a metal bikini.

She wasn't a strong ANYTHING.

This isn't a question of misandry to misogyny.

Once again, characters have flaws, make mistakes, learn, and grow. Poe WAS a hot shot idiot who fethed up all the plans the higher ups were making. He also got a lot of their very limited resources in pilots, ships and armaments destroyed to take out a single enemy ship (granted a big one. But a big one they can build again while reaquiring what Poe sacrificed is much harder).

This bit has actually apparently been explained in the books a bit. Mon Mothma demilitarized the whole new republic so they didn't end up being just like the Empire and it bit them in the ass when the first order showed up. The reason the resistance is so strapped is because there was literally nothing around for them to use.

What Poe did that was very different from what Luke did was sacrifice a far larger % of their available resources for show boating.


BTW, Luke spent 2 movies following around people like a puppy dog. First it was Ben, then it was Yoda, Then it was Leia.

So Luke is a weak male character then?

Luke needed Han, Ben, Yoda, and Leia to tell him HIS place.

Luke had a story ark over 3 movies in which he grew and came into his own. Rey has had a story ark over 2 movies, and you can see how much she has grown already. Luke never had the balls to tell Ben or yoda off. Rey did though with Luke.

A strong character, female or male, is one that, like an onion, has layers. They have fears, motivations, goals, and exist within the story for more than being a goal for another character. Leia existed only to be the piece of ass Luke/Solo was after for 3 movies. She didn't have a human reaction to her planet getting blown up. She existed solely to further the plots of the other characters that had actual story arks and grew over the course of 3 movies. Leia on the other hand never once seemed to grow or change as a person. Because her character didn't have the depth to have any growth.

Vulcan wrote:

 Lance845 wrote:
This isn't a question of misandry to misogyny.

Once again, characters have flaws, make mistakes, learn, and grow. Poe WAS a hot shot idiot who fethed up all the plans the higher ups were making. He also got a lot of their very limited resources in pilots, ships and armaments destroyed to take out a single enemy ship (granted a big one. But a big one they can build again while reaquiring what Poe sacrificed is much harder).

This bit has actually apparently been explained in the books a bit. Mon Mothma demilitarized the whole new republic so they didn't end up being just like the Empire and it bit them in the ass when the first order showed up. The reason the resistance is so strapped is because there was literally nothing around for them to use.

What Poe did that was very different from what Luke did was sacrifice a far larger % of their available resources for show boating.


BTW, Luke spent 2 movies following around people like a puppy dog. First it was Ben, then it was Yoda, Then it was Leia.

If you need books to explain what happened in a movie, you did a bad job with the movie.

How did Poe screw up? He SAVED THE FLEET FROM IMMEDIATE DESTRUCTION. That bears repeating. HE SAVED THE FLEET FROM IMMEDIATE DESTRUCTION. Had the Dreadnaught been able to close without interference the Resistance doesn't make it out of orbit. Period.

How is SAVING THE FLEET FROM IMMEDIATE DESTRUCTION screwing up? Especially since Holdo's later plan is 'sacrifice the even HARDER to replace Resistance Fleet to evacuate the personnel on unarmed transports'...

Ah, I see the problem. There's a wee bit of difference between showboating, and SAVING THE FLEET FROM IMMEDIATE DESTRUCTION. Showboating would have been destroying one of the many Resurgent class Star Destroyers, leaving the rest intact, just because they could. Killing the Dreadnaught - which is designed to be a FLEET KILLLER - is a completely different issue.

This bit you seem to have ignored.

Matt.Kingsley wrote:Because Poe didn't just save the fleet - he immediately put it back into the danger he saved it from. They make a point about the fleet being ready to jump into Hyperspace after Poe being more than a bit of a distraction with he speech and theatrics.

Now of course, in hindsight we know they were going to be tracked through hyperspace so they would have had to destroy the Dreadnought eventually, but everyone in the Resistance (and us, the audience) didn't know that beforehand, so forcing the fleet to stay within range of the Dreadnought to allow the fighters and bombers to try and destroy it (a mission they almost failed and that very nearly did get the fleet kablamo'd) is a pretty massive error of judgement.

And I don't need to know WHY the resistance is in a bad way when TLJ started. I can see it. They showed it well. Every person in that movie in the resistance talked about how badly they were doing and how little they had and made a big deal out of how much Poe got destroyed just to kill 1 ship.

The book expanded on it and explained WHY the resistance is so under funded and maned. But it's not needed to understand the movie.

 Vulcan wrote:

 Lance845 wrote:
So Luke is a weak male character then?

In TLJ? Absolutely

Luke needed Han, Ben, Yoda, and Leia to tell him HIS place.

Tell me where he asked anyone, much less multiple different characters, to tell him his place. Movie name and timestamp will do.

Luke didn't even have the where-with-all to ask. Luke got TOLD where to go and what to do. You can't go to Tashi Station. You can check on Ol Ben. You Need to come with me to Mos Isly. You need to join the rebles. Don't use the targetting computer. Go to Endor.

A strong character, female or male, is one that, like an onion, has layers. They have fears, motivations, goals, and exist within the story for more than being a goal for another character. Leia existed only to be the piece of ass Luke/Solo was after for 3 movies. She didn't have a human reaction to her planet getting blown up. She existed solely to further the plots of the other characters that had actual story arks and grew over the course of 3 movies. Leia on the other hand never once seemed to grow or change as a person. Because her character didn't have the depth to have any growth.

Tell me what growth Rey has experienced. Tell me what struggles she has overcome. There aren't any. At any challenge she 'downloads' a new Force capability and is 'great'. No explanation at all. And even at the end of TLJ, she STILL doesn't seem to have any idea what's going on. One can argue HER whole role for two movies has been as the love interest for Finn and Poe to chase after. She certainly hasn't grown or changed a bit.

I'll grant you Leia could have been handled better. But it was 1977-1983. Not 2015-2018. Two whole generations of difference there. For her time, Leia is a BREATHTAKINGLY strong female character. And for 2018 Rey is a breathtakingly WEAK female character.

Not as bad as Holdo or Rose Tico, though. They both plumb the depths of weak female characters I haven't seen in a major release for two decades now. Even slasher flicks don't write female character that weak anymore.

Ry sought answers about her parents. Rey decided to defy luke and stand up for what her interpretation of her visions meant. Rey tried to Save Kylo despite Lukes warnings. Rey went to find Luke because she wanted to not because anyone asked her to. Rey more or less forced luke to start training her because she wanted training. Rey came back and saved what little resistance was left on her own accord. Rey started off living on her own and making her own living instead of being a little gak on his uncles farm.

Considering that Rey has had no romantic relationship with Poe OR Finn you would be hard pressed to make that argument. Especially since Leias character kissed Luke and Han at least once in all 3 movies and Rey has kissed exactly nobody.


Yeah, Rose is weak. Having a backstory explaining how her and her sister come from a place that Finn has never seen in his life about how the fancy and well to do crush the down trodden and make slaves of people. Having her sister die. Having her stop attempted people fleeing the resistance because she won't let them run when her sister didn't, having her have skills as a mechanic and stepping up to be a pilot because Poe made sure they were running out of those. All those layers that make her an actual person is the very definition of a weak character.

The fact that their COULD have been a sabatuer in the fleet is exactly why they didn't tell Poe gak. In responce Poe put them all in even more danger. POE was the idiot making mistakes. Holdo was doing her damn job with idiots making a bigger mess around her.

What real training does luke get? He spends MAYBE a week with ben getting shot by a ball before he uses the force to blow up the death star.

Go on. Give me a time stamp for a new hope for when luke gets ANY real training.

He also didnt turn down ben because HE wanted to turn ben down. He said i cant... My uncle will be mad. Im 20 and do what im told.

Obi wan didnt tell luke to kill vader.

Thats your projection of finn and poe onto rey. Its very possible for people to be friends and happy to see each other without doing the pants dance. We have ZERO evidence those characters are interested in her sexually. Thats all you.

Rose, again, is a person with emotions who does things because of those meotions. Her actions dont have to be perfect. And btw, finn wasnt going to make it. We all saw it. He would have died to no effect.

Finn escaped the brain washing first order. He makes 2 friends poe and rey. He doesnt want to fight. He wants to run. Before he goes down the only 1 of his 2 friends is there and in danger. When he wakes up he wants to know what happened to the one person he was with that he gives any gak about.

Then, because of the rose plot, finn learns why its important to fight instead of run. And he takes that to a suicidal extreme, which he is saved from.

Its his character ark. Finding real relationships and ideals and learning whats worth fighting for and that throwing your life away wont help.

Roses sister only HAD to die because Poe was a feth up. Holdo because sw tech, for all its advancment, is analog and no auto pilot exists. She actually was providing cover for everyone else to escape. It only failed because poe fethed up again with finn and rose and let the enemy know what was up.

Finn, again, wasnt saving anyone. If this movie had a general theme about sacrifice in it, its that you shouldnt. Because other people are gunna pay for your (poes) idiocy. Twice other people paid for poes dumb ass decisions.

If there is a problem with this movie its that they didnt string up poe and execute him as a hazard to everyone elses life.

If the astromech is doing it then its not auto pilot since its essentially a sentient ai driving.

By auto pilot i mean what amounts to cruise control in your car. Aparently in sw you cant put a brick on the pedal and walk away.

 Grey Templar wrote:

 Lance845 wrote:
Finn escaped the brain washing first order. He makes 2 friends poe and rey. He doesnt want to fight. He wants to run. Before he goes down the only 1 of his 2 friends is there and in danger. When he wakes up he wants to know what happened to the one person he was with that he gives any gak about.

Then, because of the rose plot, finn learns why its important to fight instead of run. And he takes that to a suicidal extreme, which he is saved from.

Its his character ark. Finding real relationships and ideals and learning whats worth fighting for and that throwing your life away wont help.

See, that is how I envisioned Finn's story arc being pitched, but the execution was awful. It just makes him appear nonsensical. He's either a sniveling coward or a stoic self-sacrificing hero. But because those are incompatible character traits it is just so jarring.

Really that I think is the biggest failing of these two movies. They totally failed to make Finn a usable character. Somehow he is a font of knowledge about the intimate technical details of First Order protocols, yet at the same time he's a flunky stormtrooper who's resume is limited to janitorial duties.

To make Finn a believable source of inside information he needed to be a hard bitten Stormtrooper veteran who has a change of heart when asked to slaughter defenseless civilians. That would explain how he had so much knowledge that would realistically be restricted information, and explain his bravery. Leave the cowering, whining, and whimpering to C-3P0. You could even justify him trying to escape with this new version. He simply doesn't really buy into the Resistance ideology. He doesn't really give a frak about anybody except Rey and Poe, so when he thinks the situation is hopeless he's willing to run off, but not because he's a spineless coward, because he just doesn't really care that much and doesn't fancy dying for no purpose.

Which is fine, but you should try and keep in mind that these movies are for kids too. And Finns "bumbling" and being a janitor instead of a hardened vet fits better as a character that belongs there for kids instead of a serious sci fi adult film. SW isn't serious. It never has been. And it should never be taken so.


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 ingtaer wrote:
Don't want to interrupt and try and post about the new film (you know the actual topic), but has it been mentioned at all that the first reviews have been given and it is widely positive?

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/han-solo-a-star-wars-story-movie-reviews-read-crit/1100-6458881/

I am not a movie buff so don't know who any of those people are or if their views are to be respected.

Yeah people mentioned it earlier. It's sort of what kicked off this TLJ discussion (comparing it's reviews to actual film).

Nobodys views are to be respected. Especially people who try to tell you their views for a living.

Pm me if you want to keep talking about this, or ressurect the TLJ thread. Im happy to talk about it. But the mods asked us to return to the topic of solo here.

sirlynchmob wrote:

 Lance845 wrote:
The fact that their COULD have been a sabatuer in the fleet is exactly why they didn't tell Poe gak. In responce Poe put them all in even more danger. POE was the idiot making mistakes. Holdo was doing her damn job with idiots making a bigger mess around her.

Holdo is a utter failure as an admiral. Let's remember there was never any hints of saboteurs, and I guess it was Poe's mutiny that makes Holdo think he's ready to lead the rebellion? Holdo logic "I don't trust you with the escape plan, but please lead after I'm dead"

back to han though, where did this name "soylo" come from? I missed it's origins it seems as my news feed is all about dead pool and the avengers and nothing about the solo movie. which is odd because I should have been seeing multiple countdown clocks to the opening by now, and I have to go look for the commercials and information on it, I don't see it on tv, or have it recommended on fb, or youtube.

Yeah her plan to evacuate everyone except 3 people driving the big ships (again SW tech is dumb, why do they not have cruise control?) while making the first Order believe that they had killed the entire resistance while in actuality saving everyone was a total failure on her part. It wasn't at all the actions of Poe and Co that got entire shuttles full of people killed.

Im looking forward to watching it after I see Deadpool 2.

If its fun its a win. Though so far I have felt like this is a incredibly pointless addition to the movies.

Or any reviews of any film for that matter. Your tastes are yours. Enjoy what you like.

Also, if movie studios are bribing critics there would be a lot more rich critics.

It's insane to think they would bother to pay anyone.

 AndrewGPaul wrote:

 ingtaer wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Oh for heavens sake.

Other than 'a film I didn't enjoy got good reviews' there's not a shred of evidence that Disney are bribing critics.

Please, just stop with such baseless nonsense.

Presuming that was directed at me, well my thoughts are that critics are paid for their job. They get advanced viewings based upon their reviews. if they say this was gak they wont get asked back, so they skirt the edges or don't rock the boat in order to have the ability to review films in the future. It is pretty obvious and basic business. I am not going to discount the film but would like to know the credentials of the people reviewing the film. if they are unbiased, established fans I am more likely to trust their opinion. As you MDG referred to to people who didn't like TLJ as edgelords for not liking the film, regardless of why they didn't like it, your opinion carries no weight at all.

On the other hand, Mark Kermode's bad reviews of the Pirates of the Caribbean films are legendary, and he still managed to review all the Marvel and Star Wars movies since then, so I don't think Disney are being vindictive like that.

Also, why in the hell would you trust a review from FANS over anyone else? Fans are the most biased people in the world. They either suck it's dick because they like everything about their fandom or they get super pissy because it's not what thy thought it should have been. Rare is the fan who can objectively rate the things they enjoy.

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
Interesting ...

They're both fairly impetuous, and ambitious, although Kylo seems to be more prone to outbursts of rage.

That could be darkside influence.

The darkside is a slipery slope with a feed back looop. You get angry and gain power and get angier until you loose your gak at the drop of a hat.

I think it's going to be difficult for it to be really profitable because of it's troubled production. Its the most expensive SW movie to date, mostly because they re-shot 70ish% of the film. It would have been WAY more profitable if that wasn't the case.

I use movie pass. 9.99 a month usd. I can see 1 movie every day included in the price point. No 3d (good i hate 3d) with no black out dates. I watch ALOT of movies.

 Grey Templar wrote:
Well if so I’m glad they got canned. Solo as a comedy wouldn’t have worked well, it needed to be grittier.

My understanding is somebody had leaked that they were actually trying to make it another Guardians of the Galaxy with Solo being a member of the crew.

It's why 70% of the movie had to be reshot.