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In a, quite frankly, bizzarre display, a lot stuff from Boxed games has gone to LCTB. A lot of it is only a few months old. My guess is they'll combine these into bigger boxes to reduces SKUs:

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40k

AoS

Or make them available only through Forgeworld.

The Deathworld Killzone? Aw man...

What the fudge? I haven't picked up any KT commanders yet and they are now on last chance to buy?

This is just a consequence of too many sku's and GWs breakneck release schedule. We are barely into 2019 and have seen a ton of new stuff, imagine how much they will still pump out over the next 11ish months? They are probably gonna keep clearing house for new stuff, cause the new hotness of the month is what sells, once it's time has passed then it's on to the next thing. This is just how I see it, could end up being wrong...but as the months go by I guess we shall see.

 Sqorgar wrote:
What the fudge? I haven't picked up any KT commanders yet and they are now on last chance to buy?

The Commander's box has all their rules, and the models will be available separately still. The only thing yoy loae out ate the quick reference cards and tokens. Not a huge deal in my book. I'd guess they are just clearing shelf space for new Commander sets.

GW promised 18 months of support, they didn't promise not to make it in the form or a rapid fire lineup of limited time DLCs that you have to snap buy or be left behind.

Where is this "18 months support" thing coming from?

I heard someone say that about Necromunda earlier.

its pretty much all stuff with cards in, I wonder if they're changing printers for them

I could belive they'd run the kill team stuff as a dynamic offering changing things up to offer something similar with a different new commander, and that the necromunda stuff may be headed for a combined pack

but the titanicus reaver command terminals are vital for the game so have to be being redone ( and with only 3 units I can't see a combined pack of warlord/reaver/knight would work)

 Starfarer wrote:
The Commander's box has all their rules, and the models will be available separately still. The only thing yoy loae out ate the quick reference cards and tokens. Not a huge deal in my book. I'd guess they are just clearing shelf space for new Commander sets.

I know, and it was obvious that the Commander sets themselves were a mistake (I don't think they sold particularly well and I've never seen anybody talk about buying them). In many cases, they were much more expensive than buying the models individually too. But there's a few where it isn't cheaper, and it's just free KT cards at that point. I was planning on picking up a few of those for the factions - like I may skip the Fireblade, but I lose nothing with the Primaris Librarian and Tech Priest Dominus.

I also think they are abandoning the separate commanders altogether, and we'll get stuff like the two new sets where they package commanders (possibly new models) with old models to create more valuable faction sets. I think we'll also see the earlier factions get rereleases before the other factions just because I think GW likes to mess with Thousand Sons fans.

Love seeing GW take a hit on something. Maybe they will think twice at some of their rediculous prices. Hopefully more to come.

Oh, they are dumping the KT data cards too? They must have a new starter set coming out then.

And how popular were the Necromunda tactics cards?

I'm not usually one to rag on GW, but that is because I just don't fall for their gak any more. I buy everything at 15% off or more; if there are separate releases that include rules, such as the tactics cards in the commander boxes, I just buy the regular model and use the rules anyway; and I never buy from or play in GW stores. If they release new Kill Team sets with new tactics for existing factions, and discontinue printing the previously available tactics cards, it will be extremely obnoxious. But it won't be any sweat off my back because I never need the cards anyway. I haven't purchased a single Kill Team set so far and I never plan to. If you don't absolutely have to play in a GW store in order to find opponents I recommend the same to you!

angel of death 007 wrote:
Love seeing GW take a hit on something. Maybe they will think twice at some of their rediculous prices. Hopefully more to come.

GW has posted record profits and became a £1Bn company in the last year. They've additionally offered numerous product bundles at deep discounts, which are even cheaper at online retailers, where they've reinstituted their policy for allowing retailers to sell at a discount.

GW products have always been and will continue to be expensive. Funny that you bring this complaint when discussing Kill Team, which can easily be played for under $100, including rules, figures and a bit of terrain.


More on topic, I would agree with others that this almost certainly signals a new starter set coming. Hopefully we'll get one with some of the newer Sector Mechanicus Manufactorum terrain.

 Sqorgar wrote:
Oh, they are dumping the KT data cards too? They must have a new starter set coming out then.

I don't think that's the case.

I'm thinking that they might be reworking things to sell individual faction decks. Just a hunch on my end but I know they claimed they received a lot of feedback wanting faction specific sets with art and blank cards for rosters. I asked if there were plans to sell the AdMech blank cards by themselves as I would have loooooooved more.

Not a huge surprise on the Commanders though. I'm hoping that it's because they're going to replace them with better sets.

 Starfarer wrote:

angel of death 007 wrote:
Love seeing GW take a hit on something. Maybe they will think twice at some of their rediculous prices. Hopefully more to come.

GW has posted record profits and became a £1Bn company in the last year. They've additionally offered numerous product bundles at deep discounts, which are even cheaper at online retailers, where they've reinstituted their policy for allowing retailers to sell at a discount.

GW products have always been and will continue to be expensive. Funny that you bring this complaint when discussing Kill Team, which can easily be played for under $100, including rules, figures and a bit of terrain.


More on topic, I would agree with others that this almost certainly signals a new starter set coming. Hopefully we'll get one with some of the newer Sector Mechanicus Manufactorum terrain.

Record profits by making up their own exchange rate. It is true they have no real competition yet.. but things change everyday. The christmas battleforces and starter sets are typically a good deal, I can't fault ya on that one it is one of the times I get to get my fix.

Kill team was good..... until they offered the commander expansions now it is just getting a lot out of wack, coupled with the now indoor tile stuff, it is taking parts of 40k and possibly necromunda. Not really sure how i feel about that.

Funny that you mention sector mechanicus manufactorum terrain, considering that is a recent release and you are wanting it in a starter set..... to... get it at a discount. The only time we really get a deal from GW is in box sets and even that with Start collecting took a hit. The way to get new blood into the hobby raises up their cost.

It doesn't look good overall that a lot of these items were recently released and for their more specialty games, could also be a sign they are going to possibly phase them out, as they have done in the past with blood bowl necromunda and Epic 40k. They did a push and now will probably lose support.

 Sqorgar wrote:
What the fudge? I haven't picked up any KT commanders yet and they are now on last chance to buy?

Aren't all kill team miniatures just copied from 40k? Or are these miniatures unique to kill team? If there's other stuff like cards, I'm sure they will be available from other sources.

Baxx wrote:

 Sqorgar wrote:
What the fudge? I haven't picked up any KT commanders yet and they are now on last chance to buy?

Aren't all kill team miniatures just copied from 40k? Or are these miniatures unique to kill team? If there's other stuff like cards, I'm sure they will be available from other sources.

The Kill Teams come with a fluff booklet for the Kill Teams proper(Commanders just get a card detailing their fluff), Datacards with the Kill Team's "default" loadout, and a set of tokens/markers with faction specific stuff--plus datacards featuring the faction's unique Tactics and at least one or two that aren't in the book.


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angel of death 007 wrote:

Record profits by making up their own exchange rate.

They've been doing that for who knows how long. This is just one of the notable times that the GBP is weaker compared to the rest.

It is true they have no real competition yet.. but things change everyday.

This is something that gets said quite often...a lot like "They're going under!"

Kill team was good..... until they offered the commander expansions now it is just getting a lot out of wack

Do you even know what the Commander expansion does? It's a one-off character who takes up a fairly decent chunk of your Kill Team's points values.

coupled with the now indoor tile stuff, it is taking parts of 40k and possibly necromunda. Not really sure how i feel about that.

Rogue Trader box had the "indoor tile stuff" too.

Funny that you mention sector mechanicus manufactorum terrain, considering that is a recent release and you are wanting it in a starter set..... to... get it at a discount.

Kill Team came out with a brand new set of scenery at a discount.

The only time we really get a deal from GW is in box sets and even that with Start collecting took a hit. The way to get new blood into the hobby raises up their cost.

How many new players did you see jumping straight for Start Collecting sets? I saw a few, but more headed for the core game box--where they get two armies and a rulebook.

 Starfarer wrote:
... product bundles at deep discounts...

A discount, yes, but let's not get carried away.

And they're raising prises on some of those "deep discounts" in Feb.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Kill Team came out with a brand new set of scenery at a discount.

And individual buildings from that new set cost as much if not more than the Imperial Sector box did, and that had 3.5 buildings in it, so what's your point again?

The Kill Team Commanders stuff doesn't surprise me. I have played Kill Team in couple different places around town and I think only a couple people even bought the rules. I certainly don't believe many players were going to be interested in a single model addition to their kill team unless it was basically the same cost of the model without the cards.

Even then, most players I know are still in the building the core of their team phase. One of Kill Team's biggest strengths in the player can buy a couple troop boxes and play a faction they always liked but wouldn't be able to afford even a 1000 point army. A single model just wasn't going to fill the ranks of the shiny new faction the player picked up.

Probably a better strategy to include them in the starters. It kinda forces the issue and increases the perceived value of the starter. I don't know if I like just yet though. I guess I will contine to do what I have been doing, if I the Kill Team box is much more than $10 US of the troop box, I will probably just get the troop box instead. I don't really need the cards or tokens. The terrain is a mixed bag, some of it I like (Munitorum Armoured Containers set, some I think is okay (Deathworld Forest) and some seems like kinda a waste for Kill Team (Wall of Martyrs).

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Starfarer wrote:
... product bundles at deep discounts...

A discount, yes, but let's not get carried away.

And they're raising prises on some of those "deep discounts" in Feb.

They're raising the SC boxes by like $5?

Kill Zone bundles haven't increased in price, and the just restocked Sector Mechanicus Kill Zone is nearly 50% off the terrain contents, and that doesn't count the board, cards, etc included. The forthcoming Kill Zone Fronteris is actually cheaper than the preceding Kill Zone releases, and offers roughly twice the amount of terrain in the Moon Base Klasius set for a comparable price to that set, so again roughly 50% of the normal cost.

I'd consider those deep discounts, especially considering that most of those are also readily available at an additional 15-20% discount from online retailers.

I take it the boring Blood Bowl pitches with an extra silly side for $40 have begun to wear thin on the audience?

I'm mostly annoyed by the N17 tactics cards. I passed on a few at release time planning to get them later, then of course they all went direct-only after a short while, so then I wanted to hold off until I wanted enough direct-only stuff to justify making an order, and so now of course they just stop selling them altogether.

And I'll bet you a tenner that the vast majority of the ones that are left will get sold to scalperscum to relist on ebay as "OOP" in a couple of weeks for five times the price.

Christ GW, hurry up with your meandering pace into the modern world, eh? You've successfully managed to bring your internet presence up to the level of basically every other nerd company fifteen years ago, how about you play through the pain and catch up to 5-10 years ago and embrace Print on Demand. Not your daft "made to order" thing, proper, actual PoD where you sell digital files for people to print themselves, or partner with a PoD company so people can order out of print books, codices, cards, templates & tokens and all the other stuff from your huge back catalogue that people want but cannot get anywhere except profiteering scalperscum.

 Yodhrin wrote:
I'm mostly annoyed by the N17 tactics cards. I passed on a few at release time planning to get them later, then of course they all went direct-only after a short while, so then I wanted to hold off until I wanted enough direct-only stuff to justify making an order, and so now of course they just stop selling them altogether.

Me being me, I was going to get a second set of each one so that we always had 2 of all the neutral cards. Guess that's out the window now.

Boy am I glad I added the Delaque cards as an impulse buy when I got the last SC! Tempestus Scions bock from my stockist last week...

At least for titanicus the ltcb means last chance to buy before restock. Seems one can't trust meaning of lcbt from gw anymore

So what exactly is going to LCTB, purportedly? Just card expansions?

I clicked the OP link and none of the things in the U.K. LCTB section appear in the Canadian web-store LCTB section.

 Excommunicatus wrote:
So what exactly is going to LCTB, purportedly? Just card expansions?

I clicked the OP link and none of the things in the U.K. LCTB section appear in the Canadian web-store LCTB section.

At least on AT(only one that I care enough to know) it was some transfer sheets, reaver command terminals and reaver weapons. Transfer sheets would have been pity as they are pretty but reaver things would have been bad. Command terminals you only get 2 per rule set(45euro piece) which isn't too bad with standard maniples but with titandeath book(or if you play big enough games you might use more than 1 maniple) there's 3-5 reaver maniple...And weapon cards? Rule set comes with 1 of each weapon card. Want to buy another reaver? Either you need to do your own card or you would need to buy 45e ruleset from which half the contents is useless.

Luckily just stock running low and restock coming. This would have made starting AT pretty darn expensive.

Somewhat alarmingly, Dark Angel Veterans/Fallen are listed as LCTB in the Canadian web-store.

So it's all just related to stock-levels? They're nearly out of DA Vets in Canada and won't be shipping any more over?

 Excommunicatus wrote:
Somewhat alarmingly, Dark Angel Veterans/Fallen are listed as LCTB in the Canadian web-store.

So it's all just related to stock-levels? They're nearly out of DA Vets in Canada and won't be shipping any more over?

Wish I knew! Thing is before "last chance to buy" meant just that. Last chance. You don't buy now, you won't get them from GW ever(barring made to order batch years later). Now? Who knows because now we have at least some LCTB things that are actually "we are going to get more of stock".

Very confusing. Now there's basically no way to know! It could be stock level or it could be literally LCTB. All we know for sure is that AT stuff(at least some) are getting new stock. Rest? No idea.

GW really dropped a ball here. They have "temporarily out of stock" flag so why they don't use it and LCBT consistently I have no idea...Especially as they used to be good on that area before.

What a great new move for GW! Instead of just listing things as limited time only, they move them to LCTB a month after release instead! That undead pitch came out in what, early December? Hopefully this means we get some more neoprene pitches from FW, but doubtful