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I refuse to WYSIWYG Havocs and Long Fangs, they look daft with only one weapon outload, I prefer to model a mix, that's how they should look. Are there any units you refuse to WYSIWYG?

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 Delvarus Centurion wrote:
I refuse to WYSIWYG Havocs and Long Fangs, they look daft with only one weapon outload, I prefer to model a mix, that's how they should look. Are there any units you refuse to WYSIWYG?


Really?

I though it looked way more intimidating with one set of weapons. like Imperial fist all with heavy bolters.

but thats just my opinion.

Will never care that much about grenades and pistols (unless its a special pistol).

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 Scott-S6 wrote:
And yet another thread is hijacked for Unit to ask for the same advice, receive the same answers and make the same excuses.

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Weapons sections look far better with all weapons of a kind.

Support batteries shouldn't be diverse, same for tank squadrons.

That said, I typically don't WYSIWYG my Superiors. There's like 3 superior models total, and while I usually run them with storm bolters or Combi Weapons, there's no real good way to identify them and I don't really want to cut them up and convert them to have combi weapons.

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 Desubot wrote:
 Delvarus Centurion wrote:
I refuse to WYSIWYG Havocs and Long Fangs, they look daft with only one weapon outload, I prefer to model a mix, that's how they should look. Are there any units you refuse to WYSIWYG?


Really?

I though it looked way more intimidating with one set of weapons. like Imperial fist all with heavy bolters.

but thats just my opinion.

Will never care that much about grenades and pistols (unless its a special pistol).


I love the look of heavy bolters which is why I usually use 2 in a squad, especially for Long Fangs as you get an extra HW, but they are supposed to be tactical units able to bring down various targets, what good is 4 or 5 heavy bolters against a wraithknight for instance when you could use a lascannon or missile launcher. Though for retributors I like all with the same load out for some reason, strange that.

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 Delvarus Centurion wrote:
 Desubot wrote:
 Delvarus Centurion wrote:
I refuse to WYSIWYG Havocs and Long Fangs, they look daft with only one weapon outload, I prefer to model a mix, that's how they should look. Are there any units you refuse to WYSIWYG?


Really?

I though it looked way more intimidating with one set of weapons. like Imperial fist all with heavy bolters.

but thats just my opinion.

Will never care that much about grenades and pistols (unless its a special pistol).


I love the look of heavy bolters which is why I usually use 2 in a squad, especially for Long Fangs as you get an extra HW, but they are supposed to be tactical units able to bring down various targets, what good is 4 or 5 heavy bolters against a wraithknight for instance.


They're specialist heavy support sections, they'e supposed to be an antitank team or a machine gun section in support of tactical squad maneuver sections.

Tactical squads are the flexible units.


Also, mixed units are wierd looking. Nobody would send out a support team with a machinegun and 2 bazookas just in case.

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Otherwise, no. Every soldat gets an avtomat and two grenades.

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 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:
 Delvarus Centurion wrote:
 Desubot wrote:
 Delvarus Centurion wrote:
I refuse to WYSIWYG Havocs and Long Fangs, they look daft with only one weapon outload, I prefer to model a mix, that's how they should look. Are there any units you refuse to WYSIWYG?


Really?

I though it looked way more intimidating with one set of weapons. like Imperial fist all with heavy bolters.

but thats just my opinion.

Will never care that much about grenades and pistols (unless its a special pistol).


I love the look of heavy bolters which is why I usually use 2 in a squad, especially for Long Fangs as you get an extra HW, but they are supposed to be tactical units able to bring down various targets, what good is 4 or 5 heavy bolters against a wraithknight for instance.


They're specialist heavy support sections, they'e supposed to be an antitank team or a machine gun section in support of tactical squad maneuver sections.

Tactical squads are the flexible units.


I mean tactical in the tactical sense, not nomenclature and no they've always been a mixed unit in the lore. You'd be hard pressed finding lore with a devastator squad outfitted with just lascannons or heavy bolters. It's only in the game were it is more useful to kit out squads with the same weaponry, doesn't work like that in actual war, flexibility is far more important.

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Harlequin Troupes are kind of a nightmare to run as WYSIWYG. You're either going to be equipping them badly or getting creative with converting.
   
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I guess my Rubric Aspiring Sorcerer counts. I didn't want to lock him down on which pistol so I went with the arm that looked like he was casting a spell and doesn't have a pistol at all on him. I figure a simple summoning or conjuration spell wouldn't be beyond his grasp to bring forth the weapon he wanted as long as memorized it for the day. Or maybe he knows a spell with similar effects to one or the other weapon.

My Thousand Sons are a kill team so it usually isn't that hard to remember I gave him since the team is usually fairly small even my Kill Team standards

   
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Pistols, Grenades, and Chainswords are what I normally leave off for varying reasons. Sometimes I have an idea for the look of a pose that would either make attaching them difficult or would take away from the overall aesthetic. Sometimes I just forget.



Though I have enough official GW stuff to run 10+ Guard Infantry Squads, I have 3rd party models I like to use sometimes. In that scenario, it is my personal rule to run everyone, regardless of loadout on the model, as having basic lasguns.
   
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 Delvarus Centurion wrote:
I refuse to WYSIWYG Havocs and Long Fangs, they look daft with only one weapon outload, I prefer to model a mix, that's how they should look. Are there any units you refuse to WYSIWYG?


I don't see a WYSIWYG problem here.
You say you want mixed weapons in the squad? Well don't the kits come with a mix of heavy weapons (I know the Dev sprues have two of each, couldn't find the LF kit on GW)?
So just build the squad to suit....


   
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I believe they're saying they model them as a mixed unit, but in-game they have four Lascannons or four Heavy Bolters or four whatevers.

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You know, if there's one thing I've learnt from being in the Army, it's never ignore a pooh-pooh. I knew a Major who got pooh-poohed; made the mistake of ignoring the pooh-pooh. He pooh-poohed it! Fatal error! 'Cause it turned out all along that the soldier who pooh-poohed him had been pooh-poohing a lot of other officers who pooh-poohed their pooh-poohs. In the end, we had to disband the regiment.
 
   
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ccs wrote:
 Delvarus Centurion wrote:
I refuse to WYSIWYG Havocs and Long Fangs, they look daft with only one weapon outload, I prefer to model a mix, that's how they should look. Are there any units you refuse to WYSIWYG?


I don't see a WYSIWYG problem here.
You say you want mixed weapons in the squad? Well don't the kits come with a mix of heavy weapons (I know the Dev sprues have two of each, couldn't find the LF kit on GW)?
So just build the squad to suit....




I'm not saying its a problem. I'm saying that I purposefully don't have my havocs WYSIWYG because I like the look of mixed squads.
   
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I tend to not model vehicle add-ons like Storm Bolters and Hunter Killer missiles. Partially because I only have so many of those things floating around and partially because I don't always have the points to pay for them.
   
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I generally model combi-weapons as combi-weapons, not specific ones.
   
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LRBT sponsons, they look so awful and ruin the model IMO. My plasma sponsons are modeled as a tank commander with a plasma gun shooting people from the top hatch.

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 Peregrine wrote:
LRBT sponsons, they look so awful and ruin the model IMO. My plasma sponsons are modeled as a tank commander with a plasma gun shooting people from the top hatch.


But doesn't that change the shape/space of the model significantly?

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Yea...that's called board control.
 
   
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With the exception of grenades and sidearms, I haven't fielded a model yet that wasn't WYSIWYG, and I probably never will. I even refused to allow my tac marine to let his flamer count as a melta when going up against my opponent's hellbrute, much to his chagrin. Let me tell you, it's a difficult thing trying to build an effective but WYSIWYG list when you've built all of your models with entirely aesthetic equipment options.
   
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My Ork Boyz are RT vintage - good luck with WYSIWYG. Some have plasma, some Bolter, some lasguns; some have cow and shoota. I make sure they all count as Shoota or Slugga Boyz and have no problems with it.

For me, anyway, Ork Shoota/Slugga depends on whether they fire one handed, or two :-)
   
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 Desubot wrote:

Will never care that much about grenades and pistols (unless its a special pistol).


Honestly I just view those as in-kit decoration.

The thing is a grenade on the hip of most models is going to be missed during a game anyway and the points cost of taking them or not is small. It's the kind of thing you can add to make up points to full points or remove just to get the army to fit. I don't see any reason to force players to have multiple squads so that they can vary such minor elements; esp when there are a lot of other upgrades that are even more invisible (sighs on weapons, seals on marines) or are totally invisible (internal upgrades, biology/bionics, mental weapons). It's really cool to see someone who does model everything and customises, but its an effort in love and also leave them with a single design army (or an utter truckload of models way beyond most peoples ability to afford and build and paint).

Biomorphs and other such things are the same - heck most Tyranid biomorphs are almost invisible on the models unless you paint them to stand out or point them out.



Unity type and primary weapons are all one really needs in a practical real world situation. A couple of upgrades, such as wings, are also important to model but they are more an exception to the above statment than the rule.


So for me there's no "unit" I refuse, I just refuse modelling a "type" of feature on models.

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My Bloodthirster! The double handed axe is easily the worst load out, but easily the coolest looking.



Oh god this one! I tried to magnitize mine but between my eyesight and poor manual dexterity it was beyond me, so screw it, super glued that bad boy axe onto the BL and run it from there. I did attach a load of chains from Skullreaper/Wrathmonger kit onto the Bloodthirsters arm to make the 'whip' and different it from the other BT's, but otherwise it's not really WYSIWYG, BUT its clear its more than any other ones.
   
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I try to avoid non WYSIWYG (Don't mind other people doing it in general but I like to set myself standards). That said, one thing I have done repeatedly is counting my Lord of Contagions Plagereaper as a Manreaper, since the Plaguereaper (the only option modelled on the one that comes in the 2 army starter set) seems massively worse and costs massively more.
   
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I try to run WYSIWYG where possible, occasionally I might not have certain upgrades on tanks which I then use it with. Mostly I prefer to play the weapons they actually have as my memory is terrible and I'd forget what it was supposed to be anyway. Plus 40k can be complicated enough as it is.
   
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Moriarty wrote:
Some have plasma, some Bolter, some lasguns; some have cow and shoota...


What a terrifying prospect...and quite the achievement in dexterity!
   
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I once did a small-scale tournament where I lost WYSIWIG points because while all my guys had grenades, I hadn't distinguised between Krak and Frag. Since then I haven't cared too much about WYSIWIG besides the obvious "if it's default wargear no worries, but upgrades have to be represented".

   
 
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