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 Valkyrie wrote:
I once did a small-scale tournament where I lost WYSIWIG points because while all my guys had grenades, I hadn't distinguised between Krak and Frag. Since then I haven't cared too much about WYSIWIG besides the obvious "if it's default wargear no worries, but upgrades have to be represented".


That seems excessively picky. Following WYSIWYG to that extent means my troops need a pistol, krak grenade, frag grenade, chainsword and bolter. That's a lot of clutter.

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Genestealer scything talons.

Not only do I have over 60 genestealers from a time before these talons were even a thing and will surely not convert all these monopose models, but it makes absolutely no sense that they are optional at all.
'Do you want to take this extra weapon for free, no downsides'?
There is no reason to ever not have them and so there is no need to differentiate between models that have them and those that don't. Every model has them.
   
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Never been sure of where to put the second stormbolter on to immolators and repressors without them looking odd - both have a single turret/pintle rather than the two hatches of the normal rhino.
   
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HMint wrote:
Genestealer scything talons.

Not only do I have over 60 genestealers from a time before these talons were even a thing and will surely not convert all these monopose models, but it makes absolutely no sense that they are optional at all.
'Do you want to take this extra weapon for free, no downsides'?
There is no reason to ever not have them and so there is no need to differentiate between models that have them and those that don't. Every model has them.


Yep, I do this too, I've got two sets of the space hulk genestealers and you'll come near them with a hobby knife over my cold dead body. Also, my acid maw genestealers are just all the ones who are modeled standing up high on their scenic bases. It's easier to pick them out than if they had the little chin-goiter that is the official wysiwyg for that anyway.
   
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I second Harlequins - it is simply so anticlimatic to have them modeled with same loadout on the entire squad when in all seriousness current plastics still have to narrow spectrum of garments/poses/shapes of weapons etc to represent this unit...RT era models had so much more "band of players" character to them.

And I also second Wraithlord - this is the most fun to pose kit in the entire Craftworlds range, basically everything is poseable (more like an action figure frozen in time than a static mini), with different loadouts giving distinct pose/conversion options, so that even simple magnetizing for WYSYWIG is seriously hindering this kit. The only better kit is... Wraithseer and with those two intermixed you can really go crazy on poses and conversions. WYSIWYG is just a no go for me with those.
   
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i use a lot of counts as for my conversions in my ork list. other than that I try to match the loadouts, but may throw down a mec boy in a loota squad as a body and he is running as a loota (kit comes with 4 lootas and a mec)

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I would say Cherub, because feth that noise. Have you seen the model? Maybe I'll alt-model it with an ammo stash or something someday (which would be WYSIWYG, but I haven't done it yet).

However, I just play without a Cherub. Sure, it's certainly worth the points, but not taking one because I hate the model doesn't make my lists unplayable.

Honorable mention of one of my Harlies not having a CCW and another not having a pistol. One is handspringing off a rock while shooting his pistol, and the other is using both hands on a polearm, so Rule of Cool says they're modelled right - and I've never had a problem with the "Not modelled means basic kit" for that sort of thing. Not WYSIWYG, but only because those specific models are modelled that way.
   
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Pistols, chainswords, grenades, that sort of thing. Plenty of my riflemen have chainswords or sometimes even panzerfausts strapped to their backpacks. It looks cool.

Leman Russ sponsons are a strong competitor here as well.

And generally, all things that I convert and WYSIWYGing would make them break the style or immersion.


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So del, just to be sure I’m getting this right, you like to model mixed squads but run them as other things, like 4 lascannons? I have no issue with that. Model them so they look cool but play them as other stuff. I’ve done it with my mek gunz, wanted a mix, so done one of each. Play them as whatever I fancy.

To these people saying devestator squads are “meant” be all one weapon. That’s rubbish. They were first created as a mixed bag of two missile launchers and two heavy bolters. That was the codex norm but they could be swapped out as mission saw fit. It wasn’t until 2nd edition where you could have all of the same four. So if they are “meant” to be anything then it is mixed. But really nowadays it’s a matter of opinion. I prefer mixed units but with the primaris I’m liking the whole squad the same thing.

   
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I don't model grenades and stuff on my models as they're fiddly and it means more painting for me.

I mixed weapons on my termagants back in the day and I always made sure I ran them as either or, unless they were separate units.

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 Hawky wrote:
Pistols, chainswords, grenades, that sort of thing. Plenty of my riflemen have chainswords or sometimes even panzerfausts strapped to their backpacks. It looks cool.

Leman Russ sponsons are a strong competitor here as well.

And generally, all things that I convert and WYSIWYGing would make them break the style or immersion.


You can use magnets to make both removable sponsons, and interchangeable loadouts on said sponsons, just FYI.

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A.T. wrote:
Never been sure of where to put the second stormbolter on to immolators and repressors without them looking odd - both have a single turret/pintle rather than the two hatches of the normal rhino.


yeah, for the life of my I can't figure out where the third gun on a Repressor goes.

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I find that putting the chainsword on the back of my intercessor sgts makes them stand out a lot more, but I happen to have chainswords lying around and handles w/o hands attached from old khorne berzerker and vanguard vet sprues.

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I've been running my Devastators without a Cherub model, which has never been an issue. Although I'm finally getting around to building a few out of servo-skulls to sprinkle around.

I ran a Sergeant as a Lt. for a long time, prior to building a more stand-out guy. I mean, all I needed was a marine with a Bolter and Powerfist, but my Sarge had squad markings so it bugged me. Plus he often got lost in the crowd and was obnoxious to track for aura purposes. Now I have a guy with a crest on his head for easy identification.

I'll sometimes swap between Storm Bolter and Master-Crafted Bolter for my characters without proper representation on the model. But whatever I do I keep it consistent for the army so the opponent isn't surprised.

I'm not sure, but I think I managed to get all my guys with their proper side-equipment. Bolt Pistol, Grenades, etc.

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Moriarty wrote:
Some have plasma, some Bolter, some lasguns; some have cow and shoota...


What a terrifying prospect...and quite the achievement in dexterity!


Ork/Genestealer Hybrids ftw :-)

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Gave my IG Sergeants all Lasguns. Which I'm playing as boltguns until the rules change!

Also modelled my LRBTs with the Vanquisher cannon, but play them as regular Battle cannons; I just like the look of the longer barrel more.

Otherwise I typically play WYSIWYG - though I suppose I didn't model grenades on to my Scions, so not overboard about it.
   
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All my leman russ tanks also have long cannons. I used the barrel extender of the vanquisher gun, and the brake from the eradicator nova cannon.

I use them as battle cannons, and nobody cares because they look nice and are uniform.

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I have very strict self imposed focus on WYSIWYG. I rather convert and kitbash up a unit over the weekend than proxy.

But the one model I use in killteam as a proxy is an Auspex on a Sergeant. I hacked away the actual auspex bit and dint feel like getting another set of Easy to Build just to use it occasionally.
   
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I have IG figs from RT era with bolters and auto guns. i just run them as lasguns since i cannot actually buy those options any more.

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A.T. wrote:
Never been sure of where to put the second stormbolter on to immolators and repressors without them looking odd - both have a single turret/pintle rather than the two hatches of the normal rhino.


Glue them together & craft a thicker pintle.
   
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Carnifex, the options for the back plate didn't exist when the model came out, so people chose what looks best, and thus the look of each wargear option is forever optional.
   
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LoftyS wrote:
Carnifex, the options for the back plate didn't exist when the model came out, so people chose what looks best, and thus the look of each wargear option is forever optional.


Um, yes they did. Literally everything in that kit, even down to the heads was a separate biomorph option.



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Mostly grenades for whatever army I have. Too fiddly and they’re pretty much standard now.

Also, spike rifles and stranglewebs for termagants. Index only, not aware the weapon was ever in plastic, but I do sometimes like to use at least the spike rifle for my lil guys.

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Nope.... don't really see the point in playing something you don't have the correct loadout for. If you care that much about unit efficiency then magnatize your options of kitbash/convert the unit with an appropriate weapon (for example someone earlier in the thread pit chains on their bloodthirsters ax so that it represents a wip. IMO this is not only a fine conversion but fits the theme of the army as a bloodthirsters wip is probably likely to have something annoyingly large and killy on the end). Now proxying something for a game to try it out or change it up is one thing but always running squads not WYSIWYG just because you don't like a model and can't be bothered to do a conversion is just lazy
   
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 Grimtuff wrote:
LoftyS wrote:
Carnifex, the options for the back plate didn't exist when the model came out, so people chose what looks best, and thus the look of each wargear option is forever optional.


Um, yes they did. Literally everything in that kit, even down to the heads was a separate biomorph option.



I think he means 5th ed, there was no options for different backs in the codex not the kit. Well they had 1 option, frag spines or no frag spines.

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If I don't want to go wysiwyg i go with third party bits that could serve as dual purpose.

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