Cpt. Icanus wrote:Baharroth is not worth it, a squad of hawks or two can be pretty good to get to table quarters, scramblers and objectives. They should be weighed against scorpions, which are tougher and cheaper, but lack mobility (also hawks get more shots and the grenade pack, where scorpions need to charge, but when they do they get a good amount of s4 attacks and some mw, too).

kingheff wrote:I've just added a squad of hawks to my list for the express purpose of having them jump into the sky and hiding for while we stand we fight/deploy scramblers secondaries.
Hawks hit like a gentle breeze but they can be very useful as long as you don't want them to kill anything.

 Crafter91 wrote:
Do transports have to be dedicated?

I can't find anything in the mini rulebook or the eldar codex that says they do. Does anybody know of a rule that says more than one unit can share a transport vehicle. Not at the same time of course, but have one unit disembark and another embark in a subsequent turn?

mokoshkana wrote:

 Crafter91 wrote:
Anybody making any major changes following the recent FAQ revisions?

You mean as of two weeks ago?

Sarigar wrote:I've played in two small events, one x 3 round and one x 5 round with the new FAQ. I've gone 4-4 overall (1-2 and 3-2) with basically the same army.

Positives:
While We Stand We Fight. In 6 of 8 games, I earned 10-15 points. When earning only 10 points, it was because of me getting a unit of War Walkers too close. Dark Reapers and a Lynx survived 6 out of 8 games. Two of my losses were complete blowouts where I essentially lost my army. The other two losses were actually close games.

Lowered Points: Dire Avengers point values feel about right now. The lowered points allowed for me to take another entire unit. Having more objective secured helped treme. Warp Spider Exarch picked up the second Deathspinner for free, but they rarely fired; just use them to aid with Deploy Scramblers.

Fire and Fade: I used it with Dark Reapers and a Wave Serpent and didn't lose them except for the two blowout games. Very useful.

Overall, I found the point changes more useful. I definitely need 5-6 Troop choices in a list primarily to act as an objective secured spoiler. Their mobility would allow for my army to react to contest objectives. In this manner, going second didn't punish my army and actually opened up a bit more shooting for me. Opponents would get onto objectives first allowing me the ability to prioritize targets. A close second is the roll for first turn. I can set up much more defensive, preparing to go second, though knowing I can reposition three units.

The downside, still, is fast moving armies. My two blowouts were against IG and a Khorne army. Both armies got first turn and both have solid abilities for additional movement. My army needs more space and time in order to create pockets on the table in order to maneuver. Both armies denied me that and crushed me hard. The learning lesson here is to better screen, which will likely come from cheap bodies such as Guardians or even Dire Avengers (solid overwatch capability). Another option is a unit of Swooping Hawks where I can reduce enemy charge distances by 2". A third option, though not quite as impactful, IMO, are Vibro Cannons to deny Advances for some units. I suppose I should have used my Vypers to screen, and definitely something I should habe a better understanding of.

Another challenge for me is that the armies I am facing of late are different. After facing Marines primarily since late 8th edition, these last two events have been different. Out of 8 games, only 2 have been against Marines (which I solidly won both). My army is skewed towards Marines. However, 150 Guardsmen don't care how many Stacannons are in my army, or Dark Elder invulnerable saves care not about ignore cover and -3 AP. I am playing in a three round event tomorrow and if two games are against non Marines, I will definitely have to reconstruct my list.

The FAQ is not a total fix, but does help.

 Crafter91 wrote:
Swooping Hawks - do people rate them?

 Sarigar wrote:


Skathach Wraithknight [22 PL, 455pts]: 2x Inferno Lance

Wraithknight [21 PL, 385pts]: Shuriken Cannon, Starcannon, Titanic Ghostglaive and Scattershield

Wraithknight [21 PL, 385pts]: Shuriken Cannon, Starcannon, Titanic Ghostglaive and Scattershield

++ Total: [101 PL, 6CP, 2,000pts] ++

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 Sarigar wrote:
Design your army around the objectives and develope your strategy around that concept. My lists at the beginning of 9th and now look very different because of this and it performs much better.

 iGuy91 wrote:
Hey Folks. I'm a stranger to Craftworlds. I need to help my buddy out. My friend is a very relaxed kind of player, and he expressed concern that he has an upcoming game vs space wolves where that player wants to bring 12 Thunderwolf Cavalry.

The best advice I could give him is fire and fading 10 dark reapers, with 2 farseers to cast guide/doom/smite/executioner and a spiritseer to hit a squad of thunderwolves with Jinx. Backing all that up is a nice 20 man guardian bomb from deep strike. By my math, the psychic power combo plus dark reapers should eat 6 thunderwolves a turn?

His models are fairly limited and dated. I'm trying to help him put together something that can at least hang with a list like that. Any advice would be appreciated. I think he was planning on running Expert Crafters/Martial Citizenry for his craftworld.

 Argive wrote:
Are you limited to one detatchement?

 Tyranid Horde wrote:
It may be worth considering Biel-Tan for this list as you can take advantage of the rerolls for shuriken and the aspect warriors can benefit from the extra LD which could be clutch in keeping one guy on an objective to net you a few VP. It also opens up the spirit stone relic for reroll potential on your warlock.

If you're going down custom craftworlds, you could split your war walker squadron to avail of Expert Crafters for the rerolls and it forces split firing instead of just focusing down the one squad and the single detachment you're using allows for that. The same could be done with your jetbikes. Superior shurikens would also be good too, and that combo might be a bit better than using something + masterful shots.

 Argive wrote:
I hope you played this as a battalion and a spearhead because its illegal battalion 4 Heavy slots :S


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Im planning to try something very similar as an ulthwe patrol and a EC spearhead when my area is open for games.

Argive wrote:Instead of the shadow weaver wouldn't you be better off with a tempest launcher ?

Argive wrote:Anyone have a run down of the custom traits and powers saved for the guy?

I know we posted these when the book came out/ was being previewed but I have no idea which thread this would be in.

 Sarigar wrote:


I started vehicle heavy when 9th was released, but as the months went on and armies other than Marines hit the table, my army morphed quite a bit. Adding an assault element was key. The number of models with the vehicle keyword diminished as well. War Walkers are still a staple in my army, but units like Shadow Spectres, Reapers, and Wraithblades replaced vehicles with fairly good results. Happy to hear you getting to roll dice again and having solid results.

popisdead wrote:

 Crafter91 wrote:
Eldar vs Orks
What do people recommend? I’m thinking lots of Shuriken fire, maybe add Hail of Doom to give no saves to majority of units?

Executioner and Smite for horde units?

Any out-of-the-box ideas welcomed!

Over saturation of fire. Doom and guide as a guaranteed cast. The -1 save wouldn't hurt either. Mobility as well so you can avoid lockdown.

I'm not sure how Smite helps for Horde or Executioner. But if you can math out a way to make a portion of your army take out mmmm 45 boyz a turn that's effective. That much helps bad rolls; and you'll want to be a bit far away to avoid counter threats. You'll want your army to not engage take down key threats per turn.

 Sarigar wrote:
I think Spiders a more versatile than Hawks for Deploy Scramblers and Engage on all Fronts. If you are getting limited space to move, Spiders have great mobility even without deep striking.

Wraithblades (Axe and Shield) with Protect and Fortune can really absorb a ton of attacks and Orks will likely not have much to stop you from casting. A largish unit of 8-10 and get them onto midboard objectives to hold the line and help contest the objective.

 Sarigar wrote:
you generally will not win games if you don't actively score your own secondaries.

popisdead wrote:

Crafter91 wrote:I don't have spiders just yet - HATE the miniatures. Was hoping we might get new ones this year so i'm putting off buying them...

Sarigar wrote:Regarding Spiders: Fair point. I enjoyed first painting them in the I'd 90s when they were released. I did not enjoy painting the those models in 2020 (I no longer owned the models from the 90s).

Shrugs, I love the models. I dont' see any reason to slag classic Jes Goodwin sculpts. I've been painting mine and they are a fun to paint and look great on the table.