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With 2019 drawing to a close and the new Chapter Approved getting closer to release, what do you think GamesWorkshop is going to out in the book for Open, Narrative and (probably most importantly) Matched play to get people to buy it?

2017 had Warlord traits/Relics/Stratagems for remaining Index Armies, 2018 had the Renegade Knights Index, SoB Beta Codex and The Eight, what do you think/hope is going to be in Chapter Approved 2019?

New points costs.

My guess is that they'll introduce the "pure sub-Faction" bonuses that Space Marines have seen for everyone. Ie: "if your whole Army is Tau Sept, here's a bonus for not souping."

But it's GW. On top of point adjustments and new missions, it could be anything.

Edit: I guess I should say that I *hope* that's what we see, but I have no idea what they'll actually do.

You heard it here first: Genestealer Cult Knights

from the red gobbo post on WHC

"Da Red Gobbo will be joined by other Warhammer Legends this December, alongside the release of Chapter Approved 2019, where rules for other venerable denizens of the far future whose miniatures are no longer available will find their permanent home."

thus I suspect the hook will be legends data sheets for stuff thats currently not been given rules.

BrianDavion wrote:
from the red gobbo post on WHC

"Da Red Gobbo will be joined by other Warhammer Legends this December, alongside the release of Chapter Approved 2019, where rules for other venerable denizens of the far future whose miniatures are no longer available will find their permanent home."

thus I suspect the hook will be legends data sheets for stuff thats currently not been given rules.

This. Dont expect some grand changes for traits.

I suspect it means we can also expect to see the offical retiring of indexes.

Reprinted WD rules.

I also hope for some traits adjustments, at least make them apply to vehicles, too.

Edit: Death in the skies is the only Expansion that hasn't been refined yet, I wouldn't be surprised to see it in CA.

What i hope: Minirules for pure subfactions for everyone.

What we will get: Legends datasheets

BrianDavion wrote:
from the red gobbo post on WHC

"Da Red Gobbo will be joined by other Warhammer Legends this December, alongside the release of Chapter Approved 2019, where rules for other venerable denizens of the far future whose miniatures are no longer available will find their permanent home."

thus I suspect the hook will be legends data sheets for stuff thats currently not been given rules.

Pretty sure Legends has been said to be oniine so that would be related more to when.

As for ca19 hook points. Gw needs nothing else to sell book

tneva82 wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
from the red gobbo post on WHC

"Da Red Gobbo will be joined by other Warhammer Legends this December, alongside the release of Chapter Approved 2019, where rules for other venerable denizens of the far future whose miniatures are no longer available will find their permanent home."

thus I suspect the hook will be legends data sheets for stuff thats currently not been given rules.

Pretty sure Legends has been said to be oniine so that would be related more to when.

As for ca19 hook points. Gw needs nothing else to sell book

This here, no need for a hook if you hold a mandatory balance patch hostage.

it's only mandatory is you use points, not everyone does (or so GW thinks) . and GW useally includes a hook for narrative types. character creation rules, vehicle creation rules etc

Nobody buys CA only for the points. Or if they do they have too much money, as you can get that information within few hours after release via Battlescribe.
In last years CA the missions were important but more so the refined terrain rules for the base game as well as Cities of Death.
In our group we also used the veteran rules but I can see that they're not that relevant for pure tournament players.

Sgt. Cortez wrote:
Nobody buys CA only for the points. Or if they do they have too much money, as you can get that information within few hours after release via Battlescribe.
In last years CA the missions were important but more so the refined terrain rules for the base game as well as Cities of Death.
In our group we also used the veteran rules but I can see that they're not that relevant for pure tournament players.

Got any proof for that generalisation?

New Missions and deployment rules (if they change them again) were traditionally the biggest thing in CA (unless you play homebrew missions like ITC).

The first CA also had Stratagems, Relics and WL traits, back in the day when armies outside of Marines didn't have them. Would be cool if non-Marines now get mono-faction bonuses to match doctrines and super-doctrines, though I kinda doubt it'll happen.

Sunny Side Up wrote:
New Missions and deployment rules (if they change them again) were traditionally the biggest thing in CA (unless you play homebrew missions like ITC).

The first CA also had Stratagems, Relics and WL traits, back in the day when armies outside of Marines didn't have them. Would be cool if non-Marines now get mono-faction bonuses to match doctrines and super-doctrines, though I kinda doubt it'll happen.

Can agree with that , hopefully they do something for FW aswell as GK and incentivice a bit more mono builds.

Not Online!!! wrote:

Sgt. Cortez wrote:
Nobody buys CA only for the points. Or if they do they have too much money, as you can get that information within few hours after release via Battlescribe.
In last years CA the missions were important but more so the refined terrain rules for the base game as well as Cities of Death.
In our group we also used the veteran rules but I can see that they're not that relevant for pure tournament players.

Got any proof for that generalisation?

This. We know for a fact a bunch of people buy it JUST for the points so that they can complain about having to buy it JUST for the points.

Sgt. Cortez wrote:
Nobody buys CA only for the points. Or if they do they have too much money, as you can get that information within few hours after release via Battlescribe.
In last years CA the missions were important but more so the refined terrain rules for the base game as well as Cities of Death.
In our group we also used the veteran rules but I can see that they're not that relevant for pure tournament players.

I happen to have a limited amount of money. And I bought the first CA just for the point changes. Same as everyone here. And absolutly no one in my area used the city death rules, the design your land raider etc stuff. CA just like a codex is required to play, and in case of my store you need physical copy of rules, or you are not allowed to use the store tables.

The CA missions are surely the most important part of CA, even more important that points. (For non ITC players).

They always shake the meta in the right direction and until now have been an incredibly huge step forward each year.

My fear is actually that they will change them.

Right now they are close to perfect, but since there must always be a new set every year, they will be changed.

i'm not confident that they can do better than CA18 missions.

You know what I'd love to see, in CA- and I know I won't.

Narrative campaign rules/guidelines. "Hero" games (Movie Marines, for example).

Goofy alternative ways to play with your models.

I haven't bought a single CA yet, but I will buy this year's CA if it contains new missions.
The CA missions have gotten better and better with each book and I played both the eternal war and maelstrom missions from CA2018 a lot. If they continue this trend, I'm willing to pay them just for that.

As for the points? The only time I ever care about points is when I'm writing a list, for which I'm using battle scribe anyways, plus they are usually leaked a weak before release anyways. There is zero reason to buy CA for points.

What I'd love to see is rules to use with those hex-field campaign they released years ago.

 Jidmah wrote:
What I'd love to see is rules to use with those hex-field campaign they released years ago.

Urban Conquest?

That thing really drifted into irrelevance, didn't it?

Karol wrote:

Sgt. Cortez wrote:
Nobody buys CA only for the points. Or if they do they have too much money, as you can get that information within few hours after release via Battlescribe.
In last years CA the missions were important but more so the refined terrain rules for the base game as well as Cities of Death.
In our group we also used the veteran rules but I can see that they're not that relevant for pure tournament players.

I happen to have a limited amount of money. And I bought the first CA just for the point changes. Same as everyone here. And absolutly no one in my area used the city death rules, the design your land raider etc stuff. CA just like a codex is required to play, and in case of my store you need physical copy of rules, or you are not allowed to use the store tables.

To be fair though, most of your posts make you sound like you live in a tragic drama about the 1970s Soviet Union. Your experience probably isn't a reflection of most people in general.

In my local store, the owner bought a copy of Chapter Approved and just left it there for everyone to use. As far as I know, no one has used anything outside of the missions. We all use Battle Scribe to build our lists.

In my local store, I usually throw my books in a bag, I have photocopies of stuff from Forge World books, and I usually use photocopies or Battlescribe printouts.

If someone doesn't trust me enough that they need to go and check the stats for my mediocre just-for-fun list in a physical book from my bag- then I am gonna ask if they wanna see the proof of purchase and watch me manually add up all my points with a pencil and paper.

Not Online!!! wrote:

Sunny Side Up wrote:
New Missions and deployment rules (if they change them again) were traditionally the biggest thing in CA (unless you play homebrew missions like ITC).

The first CA also had Stratagems, Relics and WL traits, back in the day when armies outside of Marines didn't have them. Would be cool if non-Marines now get mono-faction bonuses to match doctrines and super-doctrines, though I kinda doubt it'll happen.

Can agree with that , hopefully they do something for FW aswell as GK and incentivice a bit more mono builds.

Yeah I hate this concept of csm should play soup because they're not legions anymore they're "war bands ". Bs.

Gk definitely need help.

Depends on what "something for fw" means to gw. Does it mean fixing all the insane points hikes from ca2018? Or does it mean nerfing leviathans into the ground?

Some zone mortalis rules would be nice.

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:
What I'd love to see is rules to use with those hex-field campaign they released years ago.

Urban Conquest?

That thing really drifted into irrelevance, didn't it?

I actually bought that book, but in short... it's not a good book and misses the mark by a long shot.

It's a lot like those FW books of the past, which described campaigns no one will ever be able to play.

I was referring to this:


The rules going with those tiles were quite fun to play with, but haven't aged well and are not compatible to 8th anymore.

We should get some terrain rules. They are sorely needed.

I don't know what that even is and I want it.

https://www.bilder-upload.eu/bild-fa68a8-1574328335.jpeg.html

found this in a german forum... not sure if it's legit.

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:
I don't know what that even is and I want it.

It's called Planetary Empires and used to be made by GW. If you are lucky, you can grab a box off ebay.