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FB now demands, with no option to refuse, you send them a pic of your face to get an account.

I had a fb account once, deleted it when zuck said he would "go to the mat" with an elected president who tried to increase taxes on big corporations or regulate them, ( Zuck was basically saying he'd use his wealth and financial power to stop a president elected by the people from carrying out their wishes, effectively forcing his on will the public thru financial power.) and have not started a new one.

FB swears up and down, honest to golly, that they will delete your pic immediately and never ever share or store it, cross our hearts!

If I had to send them a pic of myself I would not do it. Period. Even if that meant no FB account.

First off, FB has lied time and time again about sharing customer data, it's been sued over and over, and there's no proof it's changed its actions no matter what it's stated policies are.

Given FBs recent shift in tone to becoming a site more friendly to extremist views and hostile to dissenting views, I would not put it past fb to share the pics of users who's views were not in line with the views they hold with government, law enforcement, etc. Given the state of politics now I don't think I want the government to have a pic of me given some of the things i post.

I was wondering if anyone else would refuse to give FB their picture or I was the only one.

I deleted my facebook 2 years ago and have never gone back. their dodgy ethics, bias and censorship of views they dont like despite claiming to be an open platform, are only some of the reasons contributing to my decision.

It's an interesting question. M major problem with FB is that they collect information on a person even without them having an account. If I could get my fiends and family to move to a different platform i would no longer use FB. I use it for massages and groups mostly.

If I had to send a picture to get an account, which I have never had to do, how would they know it was me and not so other picture. I've painted models, uploaded the picture and their program has wanted me to tag the person in the picture.

I don't know. some times I think it should be turned into a public utility but I would prefer a clone that was a public utility instead.

One think that's been a trend I have heard about over the last few years that really bothers me is employers having some requirement or demand for employees email and FB and I have head pass words. It's outrageous.

Honestly FB has some huge shortcomings - its groups feature is primitive compared to even the most basic forum. It's main feature being so widely integrated into modern mobile technology and being so widely used that everyone uses it. It also makes it easier as a company to get customer attention because, you guessed it, everyone uses it so there's no sign-up procedure. Even if all that is is adding a name and password.


As for the whole picture thing that seems odd that they require a photo of a person which they aren't storing. Any scammer can just grab any photo of any person from the internet in moments. Meanwhile unless they are using face recognition you could upload anything since its unlikely that the accounts are being reviewed by a person (even their moderation/reports is only reviewed by a machine half the time or more).

On the employment front the issue is that if you slur your company on FB or you have odd actions they all appear there for the world to see. That's an issue for some companies; or at least an issue they are worried about.
There's also two other aspects:

1) Internet drama can cause huge damage over almost nothing. A tiny action seen online can snowball into an insane situation. Such as the woman who put a cat in a bin. An act many consider bad; but after it did the rounds of the net it escalated into death threats and worse. The potential for things to go nuts is insane and companies fear it because it can blowback onto them.

2) Internet drama is FAST. Over a single day something can go from nothing to mainstream. A weekend could see things escalate into insanity.
Of course as fast as it rises it can fall just as quickly, though the damage can take longer to repair.


FB is a powerful yet also risky tool with benefits and downsides.

 Matt Swain wrote:
FB now demands, with no option to refuse, you send them a pic of your face to get an account.
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No, they don't.

They sometimes lock existing accounts for suspicious activity and require a photo to be uploaded to prove that the person currently in control of the account is the right person, but I can't find anything about new accounts requiring a photo, and the account I just set up as a test didn't require it.

I think you've got your wires crossed somewhere.

No, I don't. I know some people who have tired to start fb accounts on their desktops and got them up and running, but within a short time were stopped, had the security check screen come up and demand they captcha, then give a number then a picture, there was no option to say no.

A couple people who terminated their accounts some time ago opted to restart years or months later and had the same issue. You may appear to have an account, bu start to use it, join groups, add friends and you'll get the security screen soon.

EDIT: I just tried to check and yes, it demanded a phone number which I didn't give. I have no reason to assume it would not have them demanded a picture. Try setting up an account and actually using it for a while, see if you don;t get the "Hey, c'mere, we got some questions you have to answer." bit.

I have a business one. That is it. Not a fan of FB and prefer Message Boards and other Social Media.

I will say, it is great fro reaching 35+ Moms with some money if that is your target market. if it isn't then I would skip it.

My current FB pic?

Davey Stott. Who is redundant.

I’ve been a Facebook user for years. Never had to submit a photo, or give my phone number.

This sounds like the paranoids.

Ok, if your account was started years ago you maybe didn' have to give a phone number and face picture. Starting in 2017 fb began experimenting with this. Now, it's becoming widespread.

https://boingboing.net/2017/11/28/facebook-to-demand-clear-pho.html

And another that shows the process was more widespread in 2019.
https://www.quora.com/Why-did-Facebook-ask-me-to-upload-a-photo-of-myself-It-said-they-detected-suspicious-activity-on-my-account

Edit: screencap of what new users face now. Notice there is no decline on no button.

It doesnt surprise me. all the apps and social media sites have been trying to up their facial recognition algorithms lately. thats why theres always those 10 year photo challanges going around on insta and facebook. Just poorly disguised attempts to monetise more of your data.

You have to upload A picture. It doesn't have to be you. I joined in 2018 and whilst it has an image of me now, until around September 2019 it was never a photo, never mind a photo of me!

I have many friends whose images are album covers, miniatures, whatever.

Yeah my only photo on fb for years has been a lego man. I really don't think this is required...

nfe wrote:
You have to upload A picture. It doesn't have to be you. I joined in 2018 and whilst it has an image of me now, until around September 2019 it was never a photo, never mind a photo of me!

I have many friends whose images are album covers, miniatures, whatever.

Since this isn't for profile picture but rather to avoid identity fraud doing that risks them...well treaitng it as identity fraud if you get caught.

Best reason so far to avoid Facebook entirely.

I dont want or have any Facebook account anymore.

 Matt Swain wrote:
Ok, if your account was started years ago you maybe didn' have to give a phone number and face picture. Starting in 2017 fb began experimenting with this. Now, it's becoming widespread.

It shows right in the picture you included "to get back on facebook". This lines up exactly with what Insaniak said - it's for account recovery, not initial account creation.

I also created a new throwaway account and it did not require this.

I mean, if you just want to have a thread complaining about how awful facebook is, we can do that, but this specific hook to hang it on doesn't seem factually accurate.

I deleted my Facebook account a couple of years ago. No way I'm rejoining to give them yet more of my personal information.

Oh, they don't need you to join to get that.

 Matt Swain wrote:
Ok, if your account was started years ago you maybe didn' have to give a phone number and face picture. Starting in 2017 fb began experimenting with this. Now, it's becoming widespread.

https://boingboing.net/2017/11/28/facebook-to-demand-clear-pho.html

And another that shows the process was more widespread in 2019.
https://www.quora.com/Why-did-Facebook-ask-me-to-upload-a-photo-of-myself-It-said-they-detected-suspicious-activity-on-my-account

Edit: screencap of what new users face now. Notice there is no decline on no button.

Yes, and what those links actually say is that this is a security measure to check on accounts that trigger a suspicious activity alert, not a requirement for all new users.

So, as I said, you've got your wires crossed here.

Again, no. I told you I tried to set up an account and this is what I got while trying to create it, I never made a single post let alone commiotted suspicious activity.

You said it asked for a phone number, not a pic. And you can enter a nonexistent phone number and have the confirmation code sent to your email instead.

The second link you posted literally saysright there in the URL that the pic request is for when they detect suspicious activity on your account.

 insaniak wrote:
You said it asked for a phone number, not a pic. And you can enter a nonexistent phone number and have the confirmation code sent to your email instead.

The second link you posted literally saysright there in the URL that the pic request is for when they detect suspicious activity on your account.

First is demanded a phone number, then a face pic. It would not let me create an account without both.

Sigh. Look, just try to create and use an account and see what happens. Use it for a few hours, or a couple days. See how long before you get 'pulled over' and told to go through a captach, then give a phone number, then a picture.

 Matt Swain wrote:

First is demanded a phone number, then a face pic. It would not let me create an account without both.

That's not what you said before. Specifically:

EDIT: I just tried to check and yes, it demanded a phone number which I didn't give. I have no reason to assume it would not have them demanded a picture.

You just said that you assumed it would ask for a pic, not that it actually did. If it did, it's because you triggered one of their suspicious activity alerts, not because it was a new account. Based on this thread, I would suspect that would have been because you created an account using information that doesn't look right, in which case triggering a security system that is set up specifically to detect accounts that don't look right is exactly what should have happened.

My photo hasn't changed on FB in over a decade (and my FB account doesn't actually use my real correct name), I'm pretty sure it's worthless as a data point as it's at night, I was probably a hundred pounds heavier, my hair basically blends into the background darkness, and there's other people in the shot

My FB activity is so minimal is so totally divorced from the rest of my life that the data they have on me probably isn't worth much, and I use browser plugins to corral what they trawl from my internet surfing. Making their data dirty is a particular joy of mine.

 Vaktathi wrote:
My photo hasn't changed on FB in over a decade (and my FB account doesn't actually use my real correct name), I'm pretty sure it's worthless as a data point as it's at night, I was probably a hundred pounds heavier, my hair basically blends into the background darkness, and there's other people in the shot

Your profile pic isn't the pic under discussion here. There's a security feature where Facebook locks your account of it detects activity that triggers their suspicious activity algorithm and asks you to upload a pic, which they subject to some sort of analysis to verify that you are who you say you are before they unlock your account. I have no idea what that analysis entails, but I suspect it's not just comparing it to your profile pic.

The OP has misconstrued this feature, and assumed it applies to all new accounts.

 insaniak wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:
My photo hasn't changed on FB in over a decade (and my FB account doesn't actually use my real correct name), I'm pretty sure it's worthless as a data point as it's at night, I was probably a hundred pounds heavier, my hair basically blends into the background darkness, and there's other people in the shot

Your profile pic isn't the pic under discussion here. There's a security feature where Facebook locks your account of it detects activity that triggers their suspicious activity algorithm and asks you to upload a pic, which they subject to some sort of analysis to verify that you are who you say you are before they unlock your account. I have no idea what that analysis entails, but I suspect it's not just comparing it to your profile pic.

The OP has misconstrued this feature, and assumed it applies to all new accounts.

Ah ok, missed that it was an additional different upload.

It may be to do with enabling the setting that lets you click on your picture to sign in rather than type in a password (it may be autoenabled on phone app versions?) that they keep offering me

My photo is a cat and I've chosen to keep typing in passwords

but I suspect if I didn't they'd expect to see a human

Ok I'm done with this thread. A. People are telling me something I know is true because I've had it happen to me isn't true, and B. Not one person has answered the question I posted.

 insaniak wrote:

 Matt Swain wrote:
FB now demands, with no option to refuse, you send them a pic of your face to get an account.
.

No, they don't.

They sometimes lock existing accounts for suspicious activity and require a photo to be uploaded to prove that the person currently in control of the account is the right person, but I can't find anything about new accounts requiring a photo, and the account I just set up as a test didn't require it.

I think you've got your wires crossed somewhere.

Send them a picture of the Great and Glorious Oz.