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https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/10/05/codex-updates-wargear-profiles-and-rules/

Within minutes i spotted two mistakes. The twin heavy bolter is S6, the heavy bolter is S5. The plasma pistol blows up on a hit roll of 1, plasma gun and cannon blows up on unmodified hit rolls of 1.

Whats is so hard about proof reading ??

I was about to say the same thing. Also, weird discrepancies between certain factions too. Harlequin fusion pistols haven't been changed to the updated melta rules that have been given to inferno pistols. I don't recall seeing fusion guns or fusion blasters getting any changes, nor is there anything regarding heat lances.

Orks surprisingly weren't touched at all with regards to Power Klaws or Killsaws. Not sure if we're considered different or if they completely forgot about us (unsurprisingly).

 p5freak wrote:


Whats is so hard about proof reading ??

it takes Manpower and workhours to do so, decently, and that costs money, in an investment the community would not care, so why should they bother.

I'll wait for the Deathwatch Codex to drop before I judge too harshly, but they've messed with my Fortis kill team compositions.

The new special issue ammo rules look fair and I have no complaints with them, unfortunately there's an egregious omission of a weapon list for special issue ammunition in the new get you by rules. This means I've no idea which guns they apply to!

For the time being I guess I'll agree with my opponents to use the current Codex list, but I don't know if that's right.

Good grief, this is a lot to digest.

Thankfully mistakes can easily be corrected in these documents. I just hope these are not indicators of the errors we'll find in the printed books.

 p5freak wrote:
The twin heavy bolter is S6, the heavy bolter is S5.

Silly thought. Is this definitely a mistake? What FAQ is this in, and do we have other sources for twin heavy bolters that are S5, or is there a chance the +1S is simply a benefit of being twin-linked?

I've only looked at a couple of the FAQs so far, but happy to see that they're being pushed out now instead of waiting for the individual Codexes to drop.

And of course the Corvus Blackstar has been nerfed (I think by +20 points and Auspex no longer re-rolls 1s vs ground targets and now ignores cover). Blackstar rocket launcher is now maybe slightly better vs most infantry targets, in that it only has one profile but is blast 2d3 5, -1, 1. Loses its anti-air profile.

They seem determined to make sure that the one vehicle unique to Deathwatch will always be terrible to sub-par.

 Super Ready wrote:

 p5freak wrote:
The twin heavy bolter is S6, the heavy bolter is S5.

Silly thought. Is this definitely a mistake? What FAQ is this in, and do we have other sources for twin heavy bolters that are S5, or is there a chance the +1S is simply a benefit of being twin-linked?

I've only looked at a couple of the FAQs so far, but happy to see that they're being pushed out now instead of waiting for the individual Codexes to drop.

The +1 Strength for being twin linked could be possible, though the Twin Linked Heavy Flamers are still Strength 5 so I dunno.

Huh. Early revision of the various old supplements AND real index for the chapters getting new supplements, with strats, datasheets and etc. Didn't expect that.

The weapon updates are low-effort though. No points changes, errors.

Hmm no Tyranid update


Nothing - not a squeak



Does this mean next codex is Tyranids?!

 Grimskul wrote:
I was about to say the same thing. Also, weird discrepancies between certain factions too. Harlequin fusion pistols haven't been changed to the updated melta rules that have been given to inferno pistols. I don't recall seeing fusion guns or fusion blasters getting any changes, nor is there anything regarding heat lances.

Orks surprisingly weren't touched at all with regards to Power Klaws or Killsaws. Not sure if we're considered different or if they completely forgot about us (unsurprisingly).

They told from get-go this would be imperium weapon update. They get free buffs, rest stay as they were

So Thunder Hammers were nerfed big time, but we do not know how much they will cost?

For now they cost what it says in Codex: Space Marines, unless the FAQ they just released has different points.

For Deathwatch vets they cost 12, for Deathwatch Terminator (squads) they cost 15.

It's interesting that the Xenophase blade costs 10 points but doesn't have an upgraded profile (so still no +1 str like regular power sword) which makes it really, really terrible. Just hoping it (and the corvus blackstar) get updates in their supplement, since those are unique to DW.

Gw is less competent game designers than amateurs so same as field manual

Also notable that the 8th Ed Marine Codexes for DW, SW and Angels are now no longer usable.

eg:

The rules presented in the 8th edition (printed 2018) version of Codex: Space Wolves are no longer supported, and cannot be used. Similarly, if a Space Wolves rule from Psychic Awakening: Saga of the Beast does not feature within this document, it cannot be used. When Codex Supplement: Space Wolves is released, all of the rules within that will then replace and supersede this entire document, at which point none of the rules here can be used

All primaris in Deathwatch have LOST special issue ammunition!

Only veterans can use them.

Bad time for my only primaris watch fortress

They also spelt Grimaldus wrong in the pts section.

I note that chaos marines and genestealers also bask in the glory that is the weapons update.

As do gaurd and sisters, and perhaps a bit admech (although their stuff is usually different/unique/better anyway)

Wolf scouts have been summarily executed.

SW players are stuck with the new lads like everyone else.


Bjorn is going to be a bear to kill. Duty Eternal and his FNP.

Um, Dark Angels inner circle has changed, infantry have built-in transhuman physiology (terminators and characters), and ravenwing jink is solid 5++, unless remains stationary. The Dark talon bombs got nerfed (dont know why)...

 Spreelock wrote:
Um, Dark Angels inner circle has changed, infantry have built-in transhuman physiology (terminators and characters), and ravenwing jink is solid 5++, unless remains stationary.

That's pretty good. Ravenwing rule makes sense, as the Chapter Tactic really wants a parking lot (+1 to hit if stationary), and that's rather dumb for Ravenwing.

Wow on inner circle though.

So do we get the errata for fw units later as usual?

RIP XENOS!

 Spreelock wrote:
Um, Dark Angels inner circle has changed, infantry have built-in transhuman physiology (terminators and characters), and ravenwing jink is solid 5++, unless remains stationary. The Dark talon bombs got nerfed (dont know why)...

Also, the Aura of Dread ability of Interrogator-Chaplains makes enemy units count as below Half Strength for the Morale phase, so models flee on a 1 or 2 in the attrition phase.

 Amishprn86 wrote:
RIP XENOS!

Expected. Keep in mind its not a 'universal' Xenos thing. Tau and Craftworlds got flamer (and powersword) upgrades, because they use the same name weapons.

The rest we knew would happen when the codexes rolled around. For example the Necron Triarch Stalker has the heat ray, which functions like a multimelta or a flamer. It got buffed up to the new weapon stats.

 Overread wrote:
Hmm no Tyranid update


Nothing - not a squeak



Does this mean next codex is Tyranids?!

Tyranids are cancelled. Sorry.

Hope you had some GSC lying around.

 Spreelock wrote:
Um, Dark Angels inner circle has changed, infantry have built-in transhuman physiology (terminators and characters), and ravenwing jink is solid 5++, unless remains stationary. The Dark talon bombs got nerfed (dont know why)...

More a repurpose than a nerf.

It opens up some interesting plays.

Well they screwed the Imperial Fists again and are the only chapter trait to get nerfed. Now you only get the +1 damage if it is in the devestator doctrine, with a heavy weapon, and the weapon is S7 or higher.

I’m beyond annoyed at GW for nerfing IF again. They were already the bottom tier of SMs now their supplement is basically useless. Why did they do this? It seemed they wanted you to be a bolter weapon heavy list, but now their supplement works on such a few weapon choices. In total you may get 2-5 extra damage a game due to this now seriously GW??? Why not just make it only work on bolter weapons or give us an entirely new ability to focus on bolter weapons?

Well I’m done with GW. The constant year long nerfs have been stupid to say the least.

broxus wrote:
Well they screwed the Imperial Fists again and are the only chapter trait to get nerfed. Now you only get the +1 damage if it is in the devestator doctrine, with a heavy weapon, and the weapon is S7 or higher.

I’m beyond annoyed at GW for nerfing IF again. They were already the bottom tier of SMs now their supplement is basically useless. Why did they do this?

Well I’m done with GW. The constant year long nerfs have been stupid to say the least.


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broxus wrote:
Well they screwed the Imperial Fists again and are the only chapter trait to get nerfed. Now you only get the +1 damage if it is in the devestator doctrine, with a heavy weapon, and the weapon is S7 or higher.

I’m beyond annoyed at GW for nerfing IF again. They are lumped in with the IH, Salamanders, and Ravenguard, but were already the bottom tier of SMs. Their supplement is useless as it was full of nothing but nerfs. Why did they do this?

Well I’m done with GW. The constant year long nerfs have been stupid to say the least.

Completely dominating a WHW event tends to be a death kneel for a faction.

Also looks like the Space Wolves are missing Iron Priests and Wolf Priests (except for the 1 special character). And now we can't advance and charge with Wulfen...but can with all the Thunderwolves.