Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

Mordoskul wrote:So, as before, who's going to write the intro for Blood Moon III?

I'm going to most likely be doing that...though of course everyone will be doing their own personal intros as well.

Chowderhead wrote:Chowderhead!

What about a bag/belt combo for Lycans that expands and contracts, and allows them to carry things while Wolfing it around.

In W:tF (And W:tA, i'm sure) there's an ability to allow to "bind" things to yourself, ie when you transform and shred your clothes that ain't the end of them, when you shift back to human form you can wearing those clothes instead of stark naked.

I forgot, can vamps be bats? I think not.

ineptus astartes wrote:I forgot, can vamps be bats? I think not.

The closest we've come to that is Scarlett's uber vampires...but no, no bats...

sillyboy wrote:

FITZZ wrote:

WARORK93 wrote:

Shas'ui T'au Kais wrote:How are wolves at a disadvantage?

There's much more of them...

So far Mrodo's proposed four or five different new vampire classes...Halo's come up with a plethora of wargear for both hunters and vampires...Berserker has come up with a bunch of different mage classes that the wolves probably can't use...

So far, the only things that the wolves have gotten for this entire thing, to my knowledge, have been the two templates that me and Chowder came up with...

yeah, wolves got nerfed...

Yes, those were my thoughts exactly...though of course wolves could make use of much of the "anti-vamp" war gear...still not really much added to them...

True, but there are just not that many variations in "Howl and beat up people with claws and fangs" classes you can have.

I had a wolf with a shotgun, and one with a sniper, and one who liked to blow gak up...

... but they all died...

WARORK93 wrote:

ineptus astartes wrote:I forgot, can vamps be bats? I think not.

The closest we've come to that is Scarlett's uber vampires...but no, no bats...

Well, Jimmy (who was in the first RP for a short time) could turn into a bat, and gas at some points...

... so, yeah, I think you can...

... but I suppose (seeing as how its the third one) is down to Fitzz...

ineptus astartes wrote:I forgot, can vamps be bats? I think not.

In Vampire: the Requiem there is a power that lets a vampire become a bat or wolf.

Berserksteve wrote:

ineptus astartes wrote:I forgot, can vamps be bats? I think not.

In Vampire: the Requiem there is a power that lets a vampire become a bat or wolf.

Yes, but in Blood Moon: the RP...they cant ..
..Jimmy?...Jimmy?...oh right the Vampire who ambushed Vegas, Andy and Colt in BMI...he could become a mist, which was due to the fact that he was quite old...

FITZZ wrote:

Berserksteve wrote:

ineptus astartes wrote:I forgot, can vamps be bats? I think not.

In Vampire: the Requiem there is a power that lets a vampire become a bat or wolf.

Yes, but in Blood Moon: the RP...they cant ..
..Jimmy?...Jimmy?...oh right the Vampire who ambushed Vegas, Andy and Colt in BMI...he could become a mist, which was due to the fact that he was quite old...

YOU NEVER LET ME DO ANYTHING COOL!

FITZZ wrote:

Berserksteve wrote:

ineptus astartes wrote:I forgot, can vamps be bats? I think not.

In Vampire: the Requiem there is a power that lets a vampire become a bat or wolf.

Yes, but in Blood Moon: the RP...they cant ..
..Jimmy?...Jimmy?...oh right the Vampire who ambushed Vegas, Andy and Colt in BMI...he could become a mist, which was due to the fact that he was quite old...

Yeah thats the one, the one who killed Colt (sorry for bringing it up silly)...

... so basically, if you're old an experienced, yes, but if you're young, its a no-no...

Berserksteve wrote:

FITZZ wrote:

Berserksteve wrote:

ineptus astartes wrote:I forgot, can vamps be bats? I think not.

In Vampire: the Requiem there is a power that lets a vampire become a bat or wolf.

Yes, but in Blood Moon: the RP...they cant ..
..Jimmy?...Jimmy?...oh right the Vampire who ambushed Vegas, Andy and Colt in BMI...he could become a mist, which was due to the fact that he was quite old...

YOU NEVER LET ME DO ANYTHING COOL!

That's because I'm a total and complete bastard...didn't you get the memo.

@ Kais...

Well...mist is ok for ancients...and Oliver was turning into all sorts of things...but by and large I'd rather not have vamps turning into bats or wolves or Frank Langelia...

Or Bruce Wayne...

... or Christian Bale...

... or Alfred Molina...

Berserksteve wrote:

ineptus astartes wrote:I forgot, can vamps be bats? I think not.

In Vampire: the Requiem there is a power that lets a vampire become a bat or wolf.

Hooray for Protean the thing that makes Brujah in requiem insane

Shas'ui T'au Kais wrote:Or Bruce Wayne...

... or Christian Bale...

... or Alfred Molina...

Exactly... .

While it's obvious that BM " borrows" from lots of sources...I don't want to "copy and paste" from any of them.

BM is its own, and should never take things from other Vamp and Wolf cources...

FITZZ wrote:

Shas'ui T'au Kais wrote:Or Bruce Wayne...

... or Christian Bale...

... or Alfred Molina...

Exactly... .

While it's obvious that BM " borrows" from lots of sources...I don't want to "copy and paste" from any of them.

Nothing is original now (music, bands stories etc) but its good to have showing influence as a thanks to the creators of the influence, and Blood Moon is special in it's own right

Yeah the wolves would be getting "gear" in the sense of adaptations like longer claws or sharpened claws, or metal tipped claws. Not so much with weapons because as I said they wouldn't be a wolf while using them and if they do get gear I would prefer it if it could be used while they were a wolf.

50pts for gear total with things like:

Claw-Stakes(20pts): The werewolf has the ability to attach wooden stakes to the tips of his claws, attacks count as rending towards vampires.
Coated Claws(20pts): The werewolves fangs are covered in a poison that causes illness to spread through a human instead of the lycan disease. Instead of turning a human into a werewolf, the lycan's wounds cause the human to have reduced stats for a period of time.(-1T/-1S/-1WS/-1BS/-1I for the affected target for the next battle phase).
Loose Chainmail(15pts): The lycan can equip a loose fitting chainmail cover that protects them against most slashing weapons at the cost of slowing them down. Gives the wolf a 6+ invulnerable save in melee.
Durable Chainmail(25pts): Gives the wolf a 5+ invulnerable save in melee.
Weapons training(15pts): The wolf can use basic hand to hand weapons in human form.(swords, knives, daggers, spears, axes)
Ballistics training(25pts): The wolf can use basic ballistic weapons in human form.(Pistols, revolvers, handguns, shotguns, SMGs.)
Heavy Weapons training(40pts): The wolf can use heavier weaponry including; LMGs(mounted machine guns) in human form.
Explosives training(50pts): The wolf can use explosive weapons in human form. Grenades and RPGs.

I think all Wolves should come with Weapons Training, or have it at a reduced price.

All the Wolf stuff seems very expensive, as well. Perhaps have the Tiers at:

Weapons Training: 10 points (The wolf can use basic hand to hand weapons in human form.(swords, knives, daggers, spears, axes))

Ballistics Training: 20 points (The wolf can use basic ballistic weapons in human form.(Pistols, revolvers, handguns, shotguns, SMGs.))

Advanced Ballistics Training: 30 points (The wolf can use heavier weaponry including; LMGs(mounted machine guns) in human form, as well as all weapons from Ballistics Training.)

Explosive Training: 10 Points (Only Purchasable with Advanced Ballistics. This allows for the use of Grenades (Explosive) and RPGS.)

Chowderhead wrote:I think all Wolves should come with Weapons Training, or have it at a reduced price.

All the Wolf stuff seems very expensive, as well.

I don't think they should all come with weapons training, a werewolf should rely mostly on their claws and other natural abilities. The prices are higher because there's not that many choices right now and I don't want there to be too much stacking of abilities thanks to wargear for the wolves, after all they're the close combat guys. I use Ryan/Natasha and Harlow as my basic examples of how werewolves should be played and am trying to base the gear off of them.


Some added notes: There can only be one upgrade for the claws and one for fangs so a werewolf cannot have blessed fangs and steel-tipped fangs. But a werewolf can have Claw-Stakes and Steel-Tipped Fangs.

Claw-Stakes(15pts): The werewolf has the ability to attach wooden stakes to the tips of his claws, attacks count as rending towards vampires.
Coated Claws(25pts): The werewolves fangs are covered in a poison that causes illness to spread through a human instead of the lycan disease. Instead of turning a human into a werewolf, the lycan's wounds cause the human to have reduced stats for a period of time.(-1T/-1S/-1WS/-1BS/-1I for the affected target for the next battle phase).
Steel-tipped claws(15pts): The werewolf has coated his claws in steel, causing far more vicious wounds than a normal claw. Steel-tipped claws count as rending against humans.
Steel-tipped Fangs(25pts): The werewolf has coated his fangs in steel and its bite is that much more dangerous. Counts as a power fist against humans.
Blessed Fangs(25pts): The werewolf has managed to get either his fangs blessed by some demented priest or is wearing blessed artificial fangs. Counts as a power fist against vampires.
Loose Chainmail(15pts): The lycan can equip a loose fitting chainmail cover that protects them against most slashing weapons at the cost of slowing them down. Gives the wolf a 6+ invulnerable save in melee.
Durable Chainmail(25pts): Gives the wolf a 5+ invulnerable save in melee.
Melee Weapons training(10pts): The wolf can use basic hand to hand weapons in human form.(swords, knives, daggers, spears, axes)(Includes one free weapon from the list)
Ballistics training(20pts): The wolf can use basic ballistic weapons in human form.(Pistols, revolvers, handguns, shotguns, SMGs.)(Includes one free weapon from the list)
Heavy Weapons training(30pts): The wolf can use heavier weaponry including; LMGs(mounted machine guns) in human form.
Explosives training(10pts): The wolf can use explosive weapons in human form. Grenades and RPGs. Must purchase Heavy Weapons training first (Includes 1 grenade)
UV weapons(10pts): Adds UV quality to the weapon of choice, can only be applied to one weapon from the training list.
Tail Spike(10pts): The werewolf has had a crude blade affixed to his or her tail, adds one S-3 attack.

Not being able to use a gun, when everyone else in the game can, puts you at a huge disadvantage for when you can't go Wolf.

Chowderhead wrote:Not being able to use a gun, when everyone else in the game can, puts you at a huge disadvantage for when you can't go Wolf.

Especially when it would be easier to use a ranged weapon or if you have a character that has been around longer than guns have been around...and has been using said weapons since the beginning of the RP...

Wolves have been using firearms and other ranged weapons since BM I ...and that won't be changing..

@ Nachos...while some of the wolf war gear you listed is interesting...I don't know If any will be implimented.

FITZZ wrote: Wolves have been using firearms and other ranged weapons since BM I ...and that won't be changing..

@ Nachos...while some of the wolf war gear you listed is interesting...I don't know If any will be implimented.

No problem, its your choice after all. My ideas are just there, waiting for judgement.

Thank you for that, FITZZ. I didn't want Musater paying 40 points because of the 50 cal in BM:II.

Chowderhead wrote:Thank you for that, FITZZ. I didn't want Musater paying 40 points because of the 50 cal in BM:II.

Geeze, Andy should have had a rocket launcher in BM1, and in BM2... and an attack helicopter... so many things I wanted.

halonachos wrote:

Chowderhead wrote:Thank you for that, FITZZ. I didn't want Musater paying 40 points because of the 50 cal in BM:II.

Geeze, Andy should have had a rocket launcher in BM1, and in BM2... and an attack helicopter... so many things I wanted.

Welcome to BM:III. Ask FITZZ, and you might get.

Musater and Andy should have a Helicopter Joust, seeing as how they would be the only ones who have the fluff to get them. Maybe Joker, but he's just odd, so we'll put him in the "box of weird" with Dez.

Chowderhead wrote:

halonachos wrote:

Chowderhead wrote:Thank you for that, FITZZ. I didn't want Musater paying 40 points because of the 50 cal in BM:II.

Geeze, Andy should have had a rocket launcher in BM1, and in BM2... and an attack helicopter... so many things I wanted.

Welcome to BM:III. Ask FITZZ, and you might get.

Musater and Andy should have a Helicopter Joust.

yes..and they would both most likely die ...and anyone underneath them too....

Are we going to have the weapon buying for mages too?

FITZZ wrote: Meh...Seems that Wolves are at a slight disadvantage so far...going to have to pour over what's here so far...

gak.