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 chromedog wrote:
Brownies.

It's always the brownies. Always borrowing stuff when you aren't using it and putting it down where you have no idea how it got there.


But they made my mouse fit my hand so perfectly!

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The true conspiracy; how did the wallet get in the fridge?

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The illumaniti has allied with the space nazis and the lizard people, plus the gay chemtrail agents and have a central base of operations near MDG.

Realizing that MDG is a gamer and therefore likely to be of above average intelligence and perception and therefore likely to spot their nefarious activities unless distracted they took action.

So they have cyber ninjas smuggle martian chameleons into his house that were captured and trained by their child slave laborers on mars to hide his wallet in his fridge to make him doubt himself and prevent him uncovering their dastardly deeds, all of this in ran out of a Washington pizzaria that uses 5g wifi to control their global operations while spreading covid-19.

Oh, and Majestic 12.

See? It's so obvious! Wake up sheeple!

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 Matt Swain wrote:
The illumaniti has allied with the space nazis and the lizard people, plus the gay chemtrail agents and have a central base of operations near MDG.

Realizing that MDG is a gamer and therefore likely to be of above average intelligence and perception and therefore likely to spot their nefarious activities unless distracted they took action.

So they have cyber ninjas smuggle martian chameleons into his house that were captured and trained by their child slave laborers on mars to hide his wallet in his fridge to make him doubt himself and prevent him uncovering their dastardly deeds, all of this in ran out of a Washington pizzaria that uses 5g wifi to control their global operations while spreading covid-19.

Oh, and Majestic 12.

See? It's so obvious! Wake up sheeple!


Please don't , someone will take this remove mdg (or not) decontextualise this and Run with it....

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Not Online!!! wrote:
 Matt Swain wrote:
The illumaniti has allied with the space nazis and the lizard people, plus the gay chemtrail agents and have a central base of operations near MDG.

Realizing that MDG is a gamer and therefore likely to be of above average intelligence and perception and therefore likely to spot their nefarious activities unless distracted they took action.

So they have cyber ninjas smuggle martian chameleons into his house that were captured and trained by their child slave laborers on mars to hide his wallet in his fridge to make him doubt himself and prevent him uncovering their dastardly deeds, all of this in ran out of a Washington pizzaria that uses 5g wifi to control their global operations while spreading covid-19.

Oh, and Majestic 12.

See? It's so obvious! Wake up sheeple!


Please don't , someone will take this remove mdg (or not) decontextualise this and Run with it....



Wow, you thought my skit was so good some people might buy it? That almost felt like a compliment. Thanks.

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Bristol

Folding Ideas just released a video which covers both Flat Earth and QAnon.

He talks about the mindset behind Flat Earth and then covers how basically QAnon absorbs other conspiracies under a massive tent of a conspiracy.



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 A Town Called Malus wrote:
Folding Ideas just released a video which covers both Flat Earth and QAnon.

He talks about the mindset behind Flat Earth and then covers how basically QAnon absorbs other conspiracies under a massive tent of a conspiracy.




the whole absorbition of conspiracy theories isn't something new, though personally, i think it has to do with the "believers" sharing similar traits and believes allready, generating alot of overlap, making their consumation into bigger conspiracies easier.
Unless there are diehard opponent ideological groups at work, which will not accept such formations.

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 Daedalus81 wrote:

In the 41st millennium there is only overpriced hamberders.

 
   
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I agree that people who believe one conspiracy theory are more likely to believe another, due to correlation of certain personality traits with believing a conspiracy in the first place. Assuming that it makes perfect sense there would be a decent degree of 'coagulation'.

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One factor in conspiracy theories is that people simply and utterly refuse to accept any data that refutes the theory no matter how established it is.

I just today heard some anti mask conspiracy nuts almost robitically chanting the exploded theory that covid as a 99% survival rate. They just kept repeating covid has a 99% survival rate almost like a flat mechanical chant.

No you idiots it does not! Math, just simple math, you idiots! Have you ever heard of it?!

I took the cases of covid confirmed,. divided by the number of covid deaths and it worked out to over 300% more that the fictional "1% death rate". By the numbers covid was killing over 3% of the infected. All you need to do is look at the infections and the deaths and do some basic math. True, the numbers are regrettably large, i used a calculator. I have some large fancy ones but even a dollar store calculator can handle this.

My home state cases: 271,000.
Divide 271,000 by 100. 2710. This is one percent the number of cases.
Deaths of covid in my home state: 8643.
Divide the number of deaths by 1% of covid cases. 8643/2710. 3.18, rounded off to 2 decimals.
Actual covid death rate is thus 3.18% in my state. The survival rate is 96.82%.

That's the math. anyone with a functional calculator can check it.

But no, their handlers tell them 99% of people survive, they want to believe so basic, verifiable math is simply ignored. They want to believe the covid mask conspiracy and the false data it's based on, nothing can change their minds. But apparently those hwo accept conspiracy theories also reject facts that refute them.

Sorry if I seem mad here guys, this sort of willful stupidity gets to me.



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 Matt Swain wrote:
One factor in conspiracy theories is that people simply and utterly refuse to accept any data that refutes the theory no matter how established it is.

That's the issue, establishment. Your average joe has pretty much either a mystified perspective at best a massive distrust at worst for data and academia.

I just today heard some anti mask conspiracy nuts almost robitically chanting the exploded theory that covid as a 99% survival rate. They just kept repeating covid has a 99% survival rate almost like a flat mechanical chant.

back to the cultlike behaviour something the average joe is often more familiar through religion.

No you idiots it does not! Math, just simple math, you idiots! Have you ever heard of it?!

They have heard of it, the application of it, as THE quasi legobrick of the universe respectively one of the most usefull tools if applied logically on the other hand, is a whole other skill, one sadly not well taught.

I took the cases of covid confirmed,. divided by the number of covid deaths and it worked out to over 300% more that the fictional "1% death rate". By the numbers covid was killing over 3% of the infected. All you need to do is look at the infections and the deaths and do some basic math. True, the numbers are regrettably large, i used a calculator. I have some large fancy ones but even a dollar store calculator can handle this.

It's called math, you idiots, can't you do it? Even with a calculator? You smartphone probably has one baked in.

Again, they KNOW, what maths is, they DON'T KNOW how to effectively use it. They fail at the skill of logic behind the math, the argumentative to figure out: that Numbers of cases / Deaths from covid = Result of rate, AND how to conotate that. They also fail to realize that 5% of 100 is not equal in effect then 5% of say 100'000'000 since the proportionality most people only know and use on relative small numbers, hence why the slightly higher then average Deathrate coupled with the huge ammount of people affected is vastly MORE devastating then at the first (and only for some) glance.

But no, their handlers tell them 99% of people survive, they want to believe so basic, verifiable math is simply ignored. They want to believe the covid mask conspiracy and the false data it's based on, nothing can change their minds.

it's cult like structures, taking advantage of the average lack of understanding of institutions AND logic AND numbers.
The remedy for such would be a dual pronged strategy of clear transparancy and consistency aswell as an educational system that not just relies of learning something to repeat but to understand.
The former , is one of the key factors, as to why certain countries resolved this crisis far better as of yet then others.


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 Matt Swain wrote:
Not Online!!! wrote:
 Matt Swain wrote:
The illumaniti has allied with the space nazis and the lizard people, plus the gay chemtrail agents and have a central base of operations near MDG.

Realizing that MDG is a gamer and therefore likely to be of above average intelligence and perception and therefore likely to spot their nefarious activities unless distracted they took action.

So they have cyber ninjas smuggle martian chameleons into his house that were captured and trained by their child slave laborers on mars to hide his wallet in his fridge to make him doubt himself and prevent him uncovering their dastardly deeds, all of this in ran out of a Washington pizzaria that uses 5g wifi to control their global operations while spreading covid-19.

Oh, and Majestic 12.

See? It's so obvious! Wake up sheeple!


Please don't , someone will take this remove mdg (or not) decontextualise this and Run with it....



Wow, you thought my skit was so good some people might buy it? That almost felt like a compliment. Thanks.


You find that funny, i point torwards the artificial figure of Titania McGraths which was clear satire and yet was put in a bookshop next to an ernest book about the same matter. Not even academia is secure from docmatic thought nowadays.

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 Daedalus81 wrote:

In the 41st millennium there is only overpriced hamberders.

 
   
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Not Online!!! wrote:
 Matt Swain wrote:
One factor in conspiracy theories is that people simply and utterly refuse to accept any data that refutes the theory no matter how established it is.

That's the issue, establishment. Your average joe has pretty much either a mystified perspective at best a massive distrust at worst for data and academia.

I just today heard some anti mask conspiracy nuts almost robitically chanting the exploded theory that covid as a 99% survival rate. They just kept repeating covid has a 99% survival rate almost like a flat mechanical chant.

back to the cultlike behaviour something the average joe is often more familiar through religion.

No you idiots it does not! Math, just simple math, you idiots! Have you ever heard of it?!

They have heard of it, the application of it, as THE quasi legobrick of the universe respectively one of the most usefull tools if applied logically on the other hand, is a whole other skill, one sadly not well taught.

I took the cases of covid confirmed,. divided by the number of covid deaths and it worked out to over 300% more that the fictional "1% death rate". By the numbers covid was killing over 3% of the infected. All you need to do is look at the infections and the deaths and do some basic math. True, the numbers are regrettably large, i used a calculator. I have some large fancy ones but even a dollar store calculator can handle this.

It's called math, you idiots, can't you do it? Even with a calculator? You smartphone probably has one baked in.

Again, they KNOW, what maths is, they DON'T KNOW how to effectively use it. They fail at the skill of logic behind the math, the argumentative to figure out: that Numbers of cases / Deaths from covid = Result of rate, AND how to conotate that. They also fail to realize that 5% of 100 is not equal in effect then 5% of say 100'000'000 since the proportionality most people only know and use on relative small numbers, hence why the slightly higher then average Deathrate coupled with the huge ammount of people affected is vastly MORE devastating then at the first (and only for some) glance.

But no, their handlers tell them 99% of people survive, they want to believe so basic, verifiable math is simply ignored. They want to believe the covid mask conspiracy and the false data it's based on, nothing can change their minds.

it's cult like structures, taking advantage of the average lack of understanding of institutions AND logic AND numbers.
The remedy for such would be a dual pronged strategy of clear transparancy and consistency aswell as an educational system that not just relies of learning something to repeat but to understand.
The former , is one of the key factors, as to why certain countries resolved this crisis far better as of yet then others.


You're right, this sort of intentional, willful ignorance of visible facts just gets to me.

I edited in the numbers and steps needed to determine actual covid death rates in my state as an example.

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Like i said, academia is also full of this dogmatic thinking at the moment.
there have been nigh 0 consequences from the "grievance studies" incident in regards to publishing and controll mechanisms to even just attempt an somewhat close to objective standard.


Also intentional and willfull ignorance.
Let's be honest here, when your baseline education system fails at teaching critical thinking and baseline logic, regardless if it is in one of the richest countries on this planet or somewhere in the nowhere of the third world, then you can hardly blame the people that went through it for not having learnt critical thinking to an for societal development needed standard.

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 Daedalus81 wrote:

In the 41st millennium there is only overpriced hamberders.

 
   
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I swear that's the difference between some people here and the conspiracy theory nuts.

If someone says that a unit in wh40k is slightly better than another, similar unit, he'd better be able to back it up with solid numbers.

And yes, I've seen people in the 40k community practically use fourth order differential equations and tensor calculus to prove that one close combat unit in an army is 0.000008% better than another. (Come on, we've all met those mathhammer types, right?)

The c-nuts hear that "covid has a 99% survival rate!" and they began chanting it like a mantra.

At times i wonder if the world would be better off if hardcore gamers ran it. We get math, probabilities, data, facts, etc...

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I won't blame a teenager for not having a good grasp on logic or critical thinking, because that would be the result of them not being taught. But at some point things cross over to where an adult is responsible for the state of their reasoning capacity, or lack thereof. Failing to allocate personal responsibility at all would be just as foolish as ignoring the role education plays.

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 NinthMusketeer wrote:
I won't blame a teenager for not having a good grasp on logic or critical thinking, because that would be the result of them not being taught. But at some point things cross over to where an adult is responsible for the state of their reasoning capacity, or lack thereof. Failing to allocate personal responsibility at all would be just as foolish as ignoring the role education plays.


Not entirely wrong, but I can see both sides there. You can lead a horse to water and all, as the saying goes.
On the other hand, even those that would drink, can't if they're never led to it in the first place.
   
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Bran Dawri wrote:
 NinthMusketeer wrote:
I won't blame a teenager for not having a good grasp on logic or critical thinking, because that would be the result of them not being taught. But at some point things cross over to where an adult is responsible for the state of their reasoning capacity, or lack thereof. Failing to allocate personal responsibility at all would be just as foolish as ignoring the role education plays.


Not entirely wrong, but I can see both sides there. You can lead a horse to water and all, as the saying goes.
On the other hand, even those that would drink, can't if they're never led to it in the first place.


the first is individual failure and not able to be remedied, regardless on how you school and educate people, without going into a direct of the free will of individuals.
When a state fails however, at providing an education, for those that would drink,by simply missleading them, then the onus is not anymore on the individual but it has to be regarded as a failure of the system of state in place.

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 Daedalus81 wrote:

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Yes, that was basically what I said
   
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I think if a horse was dehydrated while having open access to water, people would conclude there was something wrong with the horse. The metaphorical water here is not hidden, it is not difficult to find.

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 NinthMusketeer wrote:
I think if a horse was dehydrated while having open access to water, people would conclude there was something wrong with the horse. The metaphorical water here is not hidden, it is not difficult to find.
I think the water has to be information/knowledge here and education/critical thinking is what happens before the horse selects its source of "water" for it to make sense.

Maybe the horse is drinking Coke or Fanta (preference, tastes better, whatever) while thinking it's as good as water? The horse is not dehydrated but unhealthy in other ways (and probably feeling really hydrated and healthy). Conspiracy theorists think they know the truth, they found new/better/secret evidence and made conclusions. They know even better.

You might be able to lead the horse to water but it might simply prefer the bucket with sugar water or beer that's next to the actual water. Or the bad stuff might be more accessible, confirm their biases (that always feels good), or be the preferred bucket for other reasons. Water is not the only option.
   
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The tragic thing is watching a horse slowing die of dehydration because it has been taught and conditioned to believe from childhood that any and all water not approved by those conditioning it is poisonous or diseased and will harm it it it drinks it, and the water they gave it was badly tainted.


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Mario wrote:
 NinthMusketeer wrote:
I think if a horse was dehydrated while having open access to water, people would conclude there was something wrong with the horse. The metaphorical water here is not hidden, it is not difficult to find.
I think the water has to be information/knowledge here and education/critical thinking is what happens before the horse selects its source of "water" for it to make sense.

Maybe the horse is drinking Coke or Fanta (preference, tastes better, whatever) while thinking it's as good as water? The horse is not dehydrated but unhealthy in other ways (and probably feeling really hydrated and healthy). Conspiracy theorists think they know the truth, they found new/better/secret evidence and made conclusions. They know even better.

You might be able to lead the horse to water but it might simply prefer the bucket with sugar water or beer that's next to the actual water. Or the bad stuff might be more accessible, confirm their biases (that always feels good), or be the preferred bucket for other reasons. Water is not the only option.
Now I am having trouble bending my head around the analogy... At any rate, the point was that people are ultimately responsible for their own reasoning be it good or poor. Putting out a contributing outside factor as if it absolves a person of responsibility is a piece of faulty logic that ends up removing all responsibility from everyone, because there are always contributing factors.


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Chupacabra - Real beast/animal or a Dog that has contracted mange?
A good chunk of the descriptions do fit a dog with mange, enough that I am relatively sure at least *some* of alleged chupacabra sightings were such. I suspect there is more than one thing being called a chupacabra though.

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Right, let’s get back to the coal face!

Cryptids! A very interesting subject, as whilst largely a pseudo science at worst, and a fringe science at best? The fun is in exploring the likely, then the possible, explanation.

Example? This video. Offers a rational, and likely explanation. Then a ‘what if’ explanation.

But, you take what you wish from the following video.



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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Right, let’s get back to the coal face!

Cryptids!


IMHO most are just badly understood remains of other aminals. DNA should make things easier.

But the unidentified living animals are interesting. But most of those are just misidentified living animals.

The YEC YouTube channel who had a trucker on it saying he saw a pterosaur, giving a description of what's obviously a heron flying.

As so little of the ocean have been explored I am happy to say there may be something hiding in it that'll blow our minds

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All part of the genuine fun.

Just as anything we see flying is, however fleetingly, a UFO, Cryptozoology is all about finding the correct answer based on the available evidence.

Just because I can’t identify a given object in the sky, or a given creature, does not mean it’s beyond explanation

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 A Town Called Malus wrote:
Folding Ideas just released a video which covers both Flat Earth and QAnon.

He talks about the mindset behind Flat Earth and then covers how basically QAnon absorbs other conspiracies under a massive tent of a conspiracy.





It's a very good point that a big reason for all the ridiculous stuff is to test loyalty. It isn't actually about doubting science or being unable to understand mathematics or w/e, it's that they claim to believe the things that would have to be true in order for what they want done to be justifiable. It's simply an extension of classic antisemitism.
   
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Rosebuddy wrote:
 A Town Called Malus wrote:
Folding Ideas just released a video which covers both Flat Earth and QAnon.

He talks about the mindset behind Flat Earth and then covers how basically QAnon absorbs other conspiracies under a massive tent of a conspiracy.





It's a very good point that a big reason for all the ridiculous stuff is to test loyalty. It isn't actually about doubting science or being unable to understand mathematics or w/e, it's that they claim to believe the things that would have to be true in order for what they want done to be justifiable. It's simply an extension of classic antisemitism.


That raises and interesting thought.

The rise of the conspiracy theory coincides with the decline in the social acceptability of various forms of bigotry. There are studies out there researching the connections between some conspiracy theories and white power and ultra-nationalism. It makes sense that there is probably some degree at least that conspiracy theories fit into a network of coded belief and identifying traits for such groups.

   
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Far-right groups love dogwhistles so it wouldn't be surprising if some of them decided to latch onto existing conspiracy theories for that purpose. If some people already believe the planet is flat, you might not need to do much work to just change why it's flat.

Rinse and repeat for lizardmen or whatever else and suddenly you have a big net to draw people in with that seems like it's just silly. Something that's ignored in plain sight is the perfect recruitment tool.
   
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Rosebuddy wrote:
Far-right groups love dogwhistles so it wouldn't be surprising if some of them decided to latch onto existing conspiracy theories for that purpose. If some people already believe the planet is flat, you might not need to do much work to just change why it's flat.

Rinse and repeat for lizardmen or whatever else and suddenly you have a big net to draw people in with that seems like it's just silly. Something that's ignored in plain sight is the perfect recruitment tool.


Funny, over here it's the broad coalition of nutjobs that has rallied and is attempting a Referendum against corona virus meassures...

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It's pretty broad here too, but current events that shall not be discusses lest they go to the forbidden realm I think call attention to particular elements while others have gone without much recognition.

   
 
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