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I've been looking at my IG list, and, to be blunt, its lacking in counter assault. It has a decent amount of heavy weaponry, but still needs one or two powerful counter assault units to pound my opponent with. I already know the capabilities of RR's with Hunting Lances - right now, I want to know what those of you with Ogryn experience think of them.

In case you're wondering why I'm not too keen on RR's, its because 1) I have enough suicide squads in my army - I don't want any more one-hit wonders, and 2) the models look stupid, and scout bikes would cost me 75 bucks for a five-man.

I probably won't use the Ogryn models either - I'm also looking for suggestions as to suitable replacements (my army is from an industrialized world fluffwise, so power-armor looking models are what I'm looking for. What about using penitent engines? would those do well as technology-oriented replacements? I know they're expensive, I just need suggestions right now, no moneywise choices.

CK

Ogryns are a suicide squad--because anything of str8 or better (i.e. powerfists) insta-kills them.

You pay the premium for the extra wounds, but you don't actually benefit from them because there are so many powerfists out there.

The only difference between Ogryns and rough riders is that ogryns don't do any damage before they die. And they're slower. And cost more. And the models are uglier.

I wouldn't ask this if I had my codex with me, but what is an Ogryn's initiative?

CK

Ogryn are too slow and aren't real effective in close combat.

Greyknights are an option but they are also slow. Seraphim are fast and are decent at counter charge. Also look at a cannoness with book which is yet another Ld modifier and she can spank stuff in CC as well. Conscripts (and their adhuman brethern) can work at keeping stuff at bay but be careful with blocked LOS.

Hope that helps.

Hey! I love those models, dont make fun of the big guys just because they rode in on the short bus.

But honestly, Ogryns are not worth the points, unfortunately. They are cool models (at least i think so) and they have a fun backstory, but they suck at what they are meant to do: counter attacking. The vast majority of assault squads you will ever face will hav ea str 8 weapon in them. that equals a lot of dead ogryns.

however, for fun games they are absolute murder against little bugs and anything without a str 8 weapon like banshees. If they were faster they could be good to get into shooty units but it just doesn't happen.

I think Ogryns should be toughness 5, or have a rule too dumb to die or whatever that allows them ignore instakill attacks. Otherwise you will never see them on the board, unfortunately.

If you are playing for fun, take em, but to win? no way, just a points sink.

a good HtH unit for guard is a big conscript unit with an enbeded commisar, they dont really kill much, but they will keep enemy assault units tied up for a looooong time.

As has been said, Ogryns are vulnerable to the power fist, incredibly so.  They make an OK CC unit, they shine vs Dark Eldar where their S6 can insta kill characters.  They are the only unit in my army to ever kill an Archon in CC.  But generally they aren't to great, especially vs MEq anything.  That said, I have 10! and I love every grumpy one of them to death!  Here are some pics:

 

 

By the way, these are ogre bull conversions with big shooters, hats made from washers and green stuff, and Imperial Eagles from the vehicle accesory sprue!  Good luck!

those are brilliant! and a nice paint job too! its unfortunate that they arent more playable, i really like th e big dumb lunks.

I have actually used ogryn to GREAT effect in many games. You just have to know how to use them. They kick the crap out of Necron, Tau, Imperial Guard, Dark Eldar, and Eldar, and some tyranids.

Yes, you have to watch out for powerfists, lascannons, ect. Other than that though they work wonders.

unless Marines have powerfists ogryns beat them in assault, point-for point. They actually come into their own when fighting deathguard. Try wounding those with strenth 3. :(

I love dumping a large ogryn squad into a mob of ork boys. hilarious to see orks beaten my IG in close combat.

 

Are they terminators, no. but they do have their uses, they are just a little more specialized.

@Recius,

Thanks a lot, I worked very hard on my trench guard IG army, I really love all the units, all my infantry are based on Dave Taylor's Grenswick Rifles, which I actually got to see 2 years ago in Baltimore!

On Ogryns, I really do think the roughriders are better, its just that getting them in a usable quantity is difficult because they dont come in a boxed set, and the only models for them are from the 90s I think.  The Genghis con cavalry guys are really pretty outdated now.  I am often surprised that this model has never been redone, being such a linch pin in the IG army for counter assault (IMO).

If I was advising an IG player, Id say, build scout bikes, and use wire and knives to make lances, and paint them up to match your IG, it will be an expensive unit, but its much better than the silly Mongolian horse guys.  Plus the unit delivers 21 S5 I5 power weapon hits when it charges, that is worth more than the 100 points or so it costs.  An ogryn unit will likely be about 5, and represnt about 15 I3 S6 attacks when they charge, for a bit more points, about 125, and without fleet, and cavalry rules, and no power weapons, they just don't compare at all. 

Until Ogryns get some help out, to have say, the choppa rule, and close combat weapons, and or a power glove/weapon leeder, they really are only worth painting if you like the theme, or you want S6, for some reason, like you always play Eldar.

Good luck whatever you choose out there.

OGRYNS (2 thumbs down)

Roughriders > Ogryns

Thanks for the help. I had some good ideas for both, but when I realized that Ogryns are $15 a piece and are worse than RR's, I'm going to be 75 bucks in the hole whether I use scout bike RR's or Ogryns. Since I do play death guard, I'm going to need some sort of counterassault, expecially since I recently resigned my CHQ and PHQ to being mortar squads that provide leadership.

CK

Umm. RR are better than Ogryns against anything with at least a 4+ save.