YMTC - Deep Striking onto Friendly Models

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**yakface**

FOR THIS POLL, PLEASE ANSWER HOW YOU CHOOSE TO PLAY THE GAME, NOT NECESSARILY WHAT THE RULES AS WRITTEN (RAW) SAY.

The Deep Strike rules on page 84 of the rulebook say: "You may not place models within 1 [inch] of any enemy. If you are unable to complete a circle of models without any of them coming within 1 [inch] of the enemy, entering impassable terrain or going off-table, the surplus models are destroyed."

The Movement rules on page 15 of the rulebook say: "A model may not move into/through the space occupied by a friendly model or through a gap between friendly models smaller than its own base size."

QUESTION: How do you play when Deep Striking models land on top of friendly models?

OPTION A. For Deep Striking purposes, friendly models are essentially treated like impassable terrain: If the first Deep Striking model lands directly over a friendly model, the whole Deep Striking unit is destroyed. If, while placing the Deep Striking unit, you are unable to complete a circle of models due to other friendly models, the surplus Deep Strikers are destroyed.

OPTION B. I reduce the Scatter distance of the Deep Striking units exactly like Space Marine Drop Pods when they land on enemy models or impassable terrain: If the initial Deep Striking model will land on friendly models (or I wouldn't be able to place all the Deep Striking models in the unit due to existing friendly models), I reduce the Scatter distance by the minimum necessary to allow the entire Deep Striking unit to be placed.

OPTION C. I move the existing models out of the way: If the initial Deep Striking model in a unit will land on friendly models (or there won't be enough space for all the Deep Striking models in the unit to be placed due to existing friendly models) I "fudge" the existing models by moving them out of the way by the shortest distance possible.

OPTION D. A combination of 'B' and 'C': If the initial Deep Striking model in a unit will land on friendly models (or there won't be enough space for all the Deep Striking models in the unit to be placed due to existing friendly models) I'll reduce the scatter of the unit a bit, move the existing unit(s) a bit, and maybe place the Deep Strikers interspersed throughout my existing unit (i.e. not in a "ringed circle" formation).

OPTION E. Something else entirely: reply exactly what it is below.

**ATI**

Wow, looks very straight forward, option A is the only way to play.

**Sarigar**

Option A is pretty much the way we've played it, however, it has come up so rarely I can't think of it being an issue ever.

**Mephet'ran**

I can't actually think of a single occasion where it has come up, but A does make the most sense.

**Longshot**

Always played A, but that's just cos I'm almost always the one doing the deepstriking. I have let people fudge in the past on numerous occasions and will continue to do so, but will not do so myself.

**the cabbage**

I'll always fudge it for friendly troops.

If he lands on me or impassable then I'll be strict, he gambled and lost!

**Frazzled**

Absent clear rules I follow the same as enemy units.

Demon summoning (which followed previous questions) however is treated differently. Gorka morka rules apply...

**keichi246**

Only came up once for us - when a crisis suit of mine scattered onto a Hammerhead...

We called him roadkill and played on...

**Longshot**

It's kind of unfair to play it like enemy units, because you can come within 1" of your own guys and nothing prevents you from walking base to base with your own guys.

**Phoenix**

I too must say A. Don't deep strike near friendly or enemy models... its dangerous.

**Corpsman_of_Krieg**

I've always played under the assumption that when your models deep strike into an enemy squad, they're getting cut to pieces before they can defend themselves, whereas friendlies look up and see their comrades falling out of the sky and get out of the way.

I'm going to say B. I think there's already a rule about this in the BGB. Don't know where or what page, although I would if my book were with me and not 2000 miles away.

CK

**yakface**

Believe me. All relevant rules have been posted above the questions in the original post.

There are no rules for what to do when models Deep Strike onto friendly models/units.

**Lowinor**

A is how I've always done it -- if you can't legally place it, it's dead.

**happypants**

Seeing as you can not move between your own models if there isn't at least enough space for your base to get through. Although it is not a straight A=B it is a pretty good precedent.

Although... I have never seen it actually happen.

**mughi3**

i saw this on the B&C as well

there is a rules consflict

as per the RAW on the intial ds, the DSing unit are only be removed from the table when it

1.scatters off table

2.scatters withing 1" of an ENEMY model

3.scatters into impassible terrain

freindly troops are not enemy troops, impassible terrrain and obviously are on the table.

there is also a deployment rule that says models cannot move through or occupy the same space as other models.

this creates a rules conflict because the DS rule doesn't include landing on friendlies as a reason to remove them from the table.

to solve this problem and keep the "fun aspect" of the game going we just use option C as a house rule. i have let others do it and they have let me do it as well.. because in all honesty we might as well just pull all our models off the table and start over again if we had to count them as "destroyed" (especially with my deathwing and one of my fellow players lysander wing or the guy i know who runs a grey knight terminator heavy army).

**Hellfury**

I play close to option C, but chose E.

The reason being is that I feel common sense should rule in this instance that isnt covered by the rules. A unit deepstriking into an enemy unit and being destroyed to me, reflects being alone amongst the enemy and the enemy just running you through with poignards.

When deepstriking amongst friendly models, you shouldnt be punished because of a safe trip down amongst friends.

I want to play it another way, but I just agree to a certain pattern before play, as usual.

C is the closest fair approximation. Sometimes slightly changed contingent on situation.

**Lordhat**

I chose A, because the only time it came up for me, that's how I played it. ( I V.O.D.'d A Necron Lord and 10 Immortals Directly into the Center of my Monolith. If that doesn't kill your unit dead, I don't know what would.)

**ATI**

I would like C, I mean hell that is really nice. I think the deployment part is the problem, you aren't allowed to move your guys for deep strike, at the same time you have to do the ring of deployment, they can't occupy space as a friendly, I think when you combine all that, most people see DSing int your friendly units as insta death. However, I would really like it is GW did option C, to me it would be understood that friendly models would clear a spcae for the DSing models.

**Voodoo Boyz**

Option A is how we've always played it. Honestly I'm surprized people have ever played it any other way.