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Please quote whoever in this thread told you that you would burn in hell if you didn't believe. From what I've seen all you did was throw out a picture that called their messiah a cosmic jewish zombie.

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rubiksnoob wrote:No, actually I am atheist as well but I am not telling people that their beliefs are a load of crap. Instead you could ask them why they believe what they believe, debate in a civil manner, presenting your argument and allowing them to present theirs.

That generally works until they lambaste me about burning in hell if I don't believe, at which point it is no holds bared.

Gwar.... I find your posts and your views quite offensive.

Mainly the comments you make where you exclaim that you are the keeper of wisdom and truth as if "Gwar's right and everyone else is wrong". It's allright to believe this I suppose in the context of how you view yourself and where you stand in the universe. However when you come on a forum and a thread that has for the most part been relatively well behaved, and start this childish spewage of offensive pictures and statements you go over the line.

I don't mind having heated debates and thought provoking discussion, but you only seem to want to use "Shock and Awe". I am a Christian and most people here know I am. In my opinion what you have done here on this thread is no better than the "Christians" that Protest at Gay funerals, or the "Christians" that spew ultradogmatic interpretations of scripture and believe that they are the only ones that are right.

I.E. your an internet tough guy. I don't believe you would say the kind of things in person that you do on these forums. And if you actually did then you are a fanatical athiest who is no better than the people you rail against.

Afterall, people dislike in others what they usually dislike about themselves.


GG

rubiksnoob wrote:Please quote whoever in this thread told you that you would burn in hell if you didn't believe. From what I've seen all you did was throw out a picture that called their messiah a cosmic jewish zombie.

Did I say in this thread? Or could I maybe, just maybe, be referencing real life Experiences?


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generalgrog wrote:I.E. your an internet tough guy. I don't believe you would say the kind of things in person that you do on these forums. And if you actually did then you are a fanatical athiest who is no better than the people you rail against.

I don't believe in Gravity, doesn't make it correct. (ok, bad example because Gravity doesn't exist, but close enough)

I say what I say here just fine IRL.

If you were wronged in real life don't take it out on people in this forum. If no one in this forum told you that you would burn in hell for not believing then why are you telling them that their religion is a load of crap?

It seems that you are trying to provoke people.

Gwar! wrote:So feeding a few Crack Addicts 2¢ Soup makes up for Years of Scientific, Social and Moral Repression?

No, but do a few specific instances of repression discredit the good done in the name of religion. Faith has come in many forms, and each of those forms has evolved in many ways over time. The primary drive to ending slavery came from within the church. A hell of a lot of scientific and artistic progress came through the church, or was sponsored or funded by the church.

And you have to understand that the church is only one source of extremism. Go read about Pol Pot. And then have a long think about what you're saying here, because it's very silly.

All views are equal, insofar as they may both be stated. Doesn't mean I can't say yours is a Bunch of crap.

Views aren't all equal. When making a show about the tactics of modern warfare the creator will spend more time getting interviews with special forces veterans than CoD4 players. They both have opinions, but one is worth more than the other.

A view which is more informed and more considered is more important that a poorly informed one.


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Manchu wrote:You're right, going out of one's way to offend people isn't helpful for any purpose. But why not give Gwar! the benefit of the doubt. This is the internet, after all. You can't be but so offended.

He came into a perfectly sedate thread with an image that made Christianity out to be as ridiculous as possible. I'm happy to give him the benefit of any doubt, but I can't see any doubt about his intention.

sebster wrote:A view which is more informed and more considered is more important that a poorly informed one.

And you think that the belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree, often instilled from birth with no choice by the child to decide for himself, is more informed than that of a Adult who is given a fair, unbiased chance to research both "Religion" and the Logical, Rational Atheist/Scientific view himself without pressure?

If a child is taught a certain religion by their parents they still have the choice to try and figure things out themselves. I was raised Catholic but I decided that it didn't make much sense and I would rather figure things out myself than have them spoon fed to me. Just because you are born with a religion doesn't mean that's what you're stuck with.

sebster wrote:He came into a perfectly sedate thread with an image that made Christianity out to be as ridiculous as possible. I'm happy to give him the benefit of any doubt, but I can't see any doubt about his intention.

Not to be confrontational, but if my views on your "faith" make you that uncomfortable, perhaps you should re-evaluate your belief in it, for I have obviously "touched a nerve".


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rubiksnoob wrote:Alright now that it seems that we have avoided a flame war the thread can get back on track.

Oh, so when a Religious Person says "Athiests are bad" it's ok, but when an Atheist Says "Religion is bad", it's trying to start a flame war? How about you answer my argument rather than accuse me of trying to start a Flame war.

Alright, Gwar, what are you trying to argue?

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Well it looks like this thread has run its course.

Sorry, missed this earlier.

halonachos wrote:APRIL 1941

North Africa - Germans entered Benghazi on the 4th and by mid-month had surrounded Tobruk and reached the Egyptian border. Attacks on the British and Australian troops defending Tobruk were unsuccessful, and an eight-month siege began. This took place as the Germans invaded Yugoslavia and Greece, and a pro-German coup in Iraq threatened Allied oil supplies.

Again Oil and Iraq.

I would have used the German advance on the Baku oilfields during Barbarossa as more significant example, but whatever.

Yes, oil was important strategic resource. Point is, it is wrong in all kinds of ways to describe it as a war about oil, because both Germany and Japan were motivated by ideological beliefs of conquest. Both attempted to gain oil to achieve their aims, but it wasn't a war about oil.

Just like religion was an issue in the Crusades, but it wasn't the only issue and describing it as such is very wrong.