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Can imperial terminators decide to hit without their pfs, so instead at Initiative ?
Situation was my 10 Kroot charged 5 termies, can the termies then decide to hit without their pfs and thus first ?

Yes. they can use either their pfists or storm bolters in combat.

It's not that they "can use their Storm Bolters", its that the rules state (pg 46) that models can always opt not to use their special close combat attacks if they choose.

Ok, thanks.

So that includes Power Weapons, Black Swords (Templars), etc? Or only initiative-modifying weapons?

Sort of a moot point, since it would make no sense to attack using a power sword that's been turned off, but I can't help my own curiosity.

CK

Posted By Corpsman_of_Krieg on 10/08/2006 6:40 PM
So that includes Power Weapons, Black Swords (Templars), etc? Or only initiative-modifying weapons?

Sort of a moot point, since it would make no sense to attack using a power sword that's been turned off, but I can't help my own curiosity.

CK

Sure it could.  Maybe you dont want to win combat that round and then get shot up in your opponent's shooting phase.  Turning off the power sword and trying to leave just a model or two alive makes perfect sense.

For deathwing it makes perfect sense, as it allows you to strike at initiative when required and allows the enemy to remain intact, preventing you from being shot on your opponents next turn.

For example:

• Your turn: Your termie squad is stuck in with a squad of tac marines whom you charged this turn. You dont use the powerfists, as you want to be in that unit during your opponents turn. So you strike at initiative (or higher if you are using furious charge) and allow a few models to survive better.
  
• Opponents turn: During assault on the opponents turn, you use power fists to clear the remainder of the squad, and then consolidate (hopefully) into either cover or into another unit (It is perferential to consolidate  strategically for formation, as opposed to consolidating into an enemy unit)
  
• Your turn: Now you are free to move, then assault another unit, after shooting the bejesus out of them first, of course.

Its this rule that helps make deathwing a bit better tactically if you know what your doing. It also makes having mixed squads pointless, as this works far better than lightning claws for most enemy units.

Does the whole unit have tot do so, or can you choose that say, two models use their pws and the rest hit normaly ? Would allow for even mroe control of the result (I'm thinking about my banshees here, they often kill too much and get shot to pieces afterwards) ?

uhm just out of curiosity

where in the rule book does it say you can turn a power sword off?
far as i know you cant its always on just one of those things.. you can however decide to not attack with it and just use the bolt pistol etc etc etc

but special wepaons and whatnot can not be turned off

As Yakface said, page 46 of the hardbound book, second paragraph.

Ill give you a direct quote though:



It goes on to say if you have more than one sppecial close combat attack, that you must choose one.

Posted By Mephet'ran on 10/09/2006 8:37 AM
Does the whole unit have tot do so, or can you choose that say, two models use their pws and the rest hit normaly ? Would allow for even mroe control of the result (I'm thinking about my banshees here, they often kill too much and get shot to pieces afterwards) ?

I dont see why you cant. Being strictly RAW, there is no rules that say "All models must do so" just "models".

Just roll seperatly.

You may also wish to strike at I4 if you believe the model(s) with powerfists will not survive beyond that point.

Is this a dumb question?:

Can a termie then break up his attacks? thereby making 1 or 2 I4 attacks and say 1 I1 attack at the end of combat.

sounds cheesy to me...but

No, you either have a specialized weapon for that character keyed up or you dont. No divying attacks, I don't think its in the rules, but it does seem to be most equitable.