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So do we know if the rule of three is still in there, since you are actually penalized for taking multiple detachments now?

sieGermans wrote:
I really wish our primary thread for reading about leaks and aggregating the latest spoiled content ... was not also the most toxic, chicken little-filled, place at the same time.

I understand that a lot of these folks think they’re posting ‘analysis’ but it’s the same thing over and over—this change is bad and GW is terrible and has always been terrible.

100% this.

I just want to read this thread to catch up on some spoilers or leaks I might have missed.

I don't need to see people about points values constantly. Most of us just play with our friends, PL is more than good enough for that.

sieGermans wrote:
I really wish our primary thread for reading about leaks and aggregating the latest spoiled content ... was not also the most toxic, chicken little-filled, place at the same time.

I understand that a lot of these folks think they’re posting ‘analysis’ but it’s the same thing over and over—this change is bad and GW is terrible and has always been terrible.

 Nerbil wrote:
100% this.

I just want to read this thread to catch up on some spoilers or leaks I might have missed.

I don't need to see people about points values constantly. Most of us just play with our friends, PL is more than good enough for that.

Agree with these guys, as a long time lurker I used to really enjoy reading the latest news on dakka.

But threads like this just become totally boring and a chore to read.

 Nerbil wrote:

sieGermans wrote:
I really wish our primary thread for reading about leaks and aggregating the latest spoiled content ... was not also the most toxic, chicken little-filled, place at the same time.

I understand that a lot of these folks think they’re posting ‘analysis’ but it’s the same thing over and over—this change is bad and GW is terrible and has always been terrible.

100% this.

I just want to read this thread to catch up on some spoilers or leaks I might have missed.

I don't need to see people about points values constantly. Most of us just play with our friends, PL is more than good enough for that.

great attitude! i dont care about X so why the should any of you?!
if you dont mind the points great for you. just dont assume you are the majority, and dont tell me i am not supposed to discuss something in a frikkin forum

and yes gretchin were maybe too good at 3 points but if raising them by 70% better throw them a bone too. 4 points should have done the trick... especially since orks only have TWO troop choices and do you know why nobody took boyz anymore??? because they suck! and they suck even more now... so orks are stuck between two sucky rocks and a hard place deprived of diversity and CP

and then there is the mekshop and stompa to add injury to the insult.

 Nerbil wrote:

sieGermans wrote:
I really wish our primary thread for reading about leaks and aggregating the latest spoiled content ... was not also the most toxic, chicken little-filled, place at the same time.

I understand that a lot of these folks think they’re posting ‘analysis’ but it’s the same thing over and over—this change is bad and GW is terrible and has always been terrible.

100% this.

I just want to read this thread to catch up on some spoilers or leaks I might have missed.

I don't need to see people about points values constantly. Most of us just play with our friends, PL is more than good enough for that.

Exactly! It’s not like there isn’t a thread for points discussion in 40k general discussion. Talking of rumours, someone posted this on an FB group I’m in yesterday, no idea if any of it’s true, but hey it’s a rumour at least.

As much as I’d love to believe this, it smells so much like wish listing that I can’t. Would be very happy though if it were true.

Redone Sanguinary Guard and jump pack assault dudes would make my fangs pretty stiff.

 Tiberius501 wrote:
As much as I’d love to believe this, it smells so much like wish listing that I can’t. Would be very happy though if it were true.

It does a big doesn’t it. But I can see at least some of it happening. Such as the faction specific primaris kits. The various BA, SW and, DA tactical kits are some of the coolest models in the space marine range. Seems weird that such things weren’t pushed out for things like Blood of Baal and Saga of the Beast though.

Well I heard that SW, DA, and BA won't be getting codexes of their own anymore, just SM codex supplements like all the other first founding chapters...

with salt etc

snowflake primaris are a given..
sooner or later, probbly sooner, because the line up for Primaris is done.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

yukishiro1 wrote:
You don't need to play games to know typos are typos.

Of course not, but for weeks now we've had a certain group keep moving the goal posts.

*GW reveals new rule*

"Wait for the full rules!"

*Full rules get leaked*

"Wait for the points values!"

*Points values get leaked*

"Wait for the FAQs!"

*FAQs come out*

"You need to play real games!"


And on and on it goes...

I am reminded of an image I saw on FB years ago, crudely drawn in Paint, on this very topic.

Two figures, one is squatting on top of a table with his naked bum held above a dinner plate.

The other asks "Why are you gaking on my plate?"

The first replies "How do you know it's gak, it's not even out yet"

Rednoak wrote:
great attitude! i dont care about X so why the should any of you?!

I don't understand why this discussion can't be taken to the already 19 page points discussion on the 40k board.

Here's a quick link to it.

 General Kroll wrote:

 Tiberius501 wrote:
As much as I’d love to believe this, it smells so much like wish listing that I can’t. Would be very happy though if it were true.

It does a big doesn’t it. But I can see at least some of it happening. Such as the faction specific primaris kits. The various BA, SW and, DA tactical kits are some of the coolest models in the space marine range. Seems weird that such things weren’t pushed out for things like Blood of Baal and Saga of the Beast though.

Faction-specific kits would be amazing and also complete the de-blandification of Primaris that started with those Blade Guard guys. About time, really.

 Mr_Rose wrote:

 General Kroll wrote:

 Tiberius501 wrote:
As much as I’d love to believe this, it smells so much like wish listing that I can’t. Would be very happy though if it were true.

It does a big doesn’t it. But I can see at least some of it happening. Such as the faction specific primaris kits. The various BA, SW and, DA tactical kits are some of the coolest models in the space marine range. Seems weird that such things weren’t pushed out for things like Blood of Baal and Saga of the Beast though.

Faction-specific kits would be amazing and also complete the de-blandification of Primaris that started with those Blade Guard guys. About time, really.

How about we redo all the kits still in FAILCAST before we go making ever more primaris.

If you want to play marine lists vrs marine lists thats what Horus Heresy is about, stop turning 40k into play Primaris or GTF.

Ice_can wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:

 General Kroll wrote:

 Tiberius501 wrote:
As much as I’d love to believe this, it smells so much like wish listing that I can’t. Would be very happy though if it were true.

It does a big doesn’t it. But I can see at least some of it happening. Such as the faction specific primaris kits. The various BA, SW and, DA tactical kits are some of the coolest models in the space marine range. Seems weird that such things weren’t pushed out for things like Blood of Baal and Saga of the Beast though.

Faction-specific kits would be amazing and also complete the de-blandification of Primaris that started with those Blade Guard guys. About time, really.

How about we redo all the kits still in FAILCAST before we go making ever more primaris.

If you want to play marine lists vrs marine lists thats what Horus Heresy is about, stop turning 40k into play Primaris or GTF.

Look at it this way - when they round out marines enough to be brave and remove the old midget marines, that's going to be what, 40-50 kits just gone overnight? Primaris padding out is a necessary evil for them atm. Plus it's not like there's a humongous necron release or anything.

Lythrandire Biehrellian wrote:
So do we know if the rule of three is still in there, since you are actually penalized for taking multiple detachments now?

Yes. Detachments are limited by battle size and datasheets are now flat 3 regardlbss of game size. So much for gw's claim of scalable rules(well that claim was joke anyway)

Dudeface wrote:

Ice_can wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:

 General Kroll wrote:

 Tiberius501 wrote:
As much as I’d love to believe this, it smells so much like wish listing that I can’t. Would be very happy though if it were true.

It does a big doesn’t it. But I can see at least some of it happening. Such as the faction specific primaris kits. The various BA, SW and, DA tactical kits are some of the coolest models in the space marine range. Seems weird that such things weren’t pushed out for things like Blood of Baal and Saga of the Beast though.

Faction-specific kits would be amazing and also complete the de-blandification of Primaris that started with those Blade Guard guys. About time, really.

How about we redo all the kits still in FAILCAST before we go making ever more primaris.

If you want to play marine lists vrs marine lists thats what Horus Heresy is about, stop turning 40k into play Primaris or GTF.

Look at it this way - when they round out marines enough to be brave and remove the old midget marines, that's going to be what, 40-50 kits just gone overnight? Primaris padding out is a necessary evil for them atm. Plus it's not like there's a humongous necron release or anything.

I know I have probably 3-4 models/units I am not buying because they are still in failcast 10 years on.

While in that time GW have replace plastic marines with new plastics and now more plastuc chadmaris, not to mention the repulsive and the duplo drop box.

While we still have charictors for evry other faction in failcast, but what feels like 20 something primaris LT's

Aspect warriors oh yeah 1 kit that got put in a box that was so rediculously over priced it shockingly didnt sell.
Yet primaris get put in a box where their kits individually would cost more than the RRP of the boxset.

Which section has the datasheet limit?

Well this is marinehammer 40k

Ice_can wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:

 General Kroll wrote:

 Tiberius501 wrote:
As much as I’d love to believe this, it smells so much like wish listing that I can’t. Would be very happy though if it were true.

It does a big doesn’t it. But I can see at least some of it happening. Such as the faction specific primaris kits. The various BA, SW and, DA tactical kits are some of the coolest models in the space marine range. Seems weird that such things weren’t pushed out for things like Blood of Baal and Saga of the Beast though.

Faction-specific kits would be amazing and also complete the de-blandification of Primaris that started with those Blade Guard guys. About time, really.

How about we redo all the kits still in FAILCAST before we go making ever more primaris.

If you want to play marine lists vrs marine lists thats what Horus Heresy is about, stop turning 40k into play Primaris or GTF.

I think people need to just accept that GW make most of their money on Marine kits, they know that they will all sell like hot cakes. I get that people desperately want plastic kits for things like Warp Spiders, or Biovores, I’d love to see how awesome plastic Phoenix Lords like Karandas and Asurmen would look. But at the end of the day GW are a business and they have to make money. They know most players have at least some marine models as they’ve been in every starter set. For most people marines were their gateway into the hobby, so they know that they’ll be able to sell loads of marine stuff. There’s really no point crying about it, as it won’t change anything.

It’s not like we haven’t had new plastic kits replacing finecast stuff anyway, banshees, Jain Zar, Incubi and Drazhar just recently. Plus a huge amount of new Cron stuff coming. Sure there are more frequent marine kits, but the way I see it, the sales of marine kits pay for the riskier kits that may take longer to make their money back.

 General Kroll wrote:

Ice_can wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:

 General Kroll wrote:

 Tiberius501 wrote:
As much as I’d love to believe this, it smells so much like wish listing that I can’t. Would be very happy though if it were true.

It does a big doesn’t it. But I can see at least some of it happening. Such as the faction specific primaris kits. The various BA, SW and, DA tactical kits are some of the coolest models in the space marine range. Seems weird that such things weren’t pushed out for things like Blood of Baal and Saga of the Beast though.

Faction-specific kits would be amazing and also complete the de-blandification of Primaris that started with those Blade Guard guys. About time, really.

How about we redo all the kits still in FAILCAST before we go making ever more primaris.

If you want to play marine lists vrs marine lists thats what Horus Heresy is about, stop turning 40k into play Primaris or GTF.

I think people need to just accept that GW make most of their money on Marine kits, they know that they will all sell like hot cakes. I get that people desperately want plastic kits for things like Warp Spiders, or Biovores, I’d love to see how awesome plastic Phoenix Lords like Karandas and Asurmen would look. But at the end of the day GW are a business and they have to make money. They know most players have at least some marine models as they’ve been in every starter set. For most people marines were their gateway into the hobby, so they know that they’ll be able to sell loads of marine stuff. There’s really no point crying about it, as it won’t change anything.

It’s not like we haven’t had new plastic kits replacing finecast stuff anyway, banshees, Jain Zar, Incubi and Drazhar just recently. Plus a huge amount of new Cron stuff coming. Sure there are more frequent marine kits, but the way I see it, the sales of marine kits pay for the riskier kits that may take longer to make their money back.

Shhh, stop being reasonable and using logic.

Overall 8th already felt like it was very focused on Marine releases, even more than before. If they started with faction specific Primaris units now I think they'll really stretch the patience of their customers. I'm pretty sure it's coming at some point, but after the debacle of the Marine Codex and its supplements last year where they lost a lot of good will from the other 20 factions in the game I think releasing even more Marines could generate the next shitstorm for GW. And after the ridiculous App, strange points and Indomitus I don't think that's what they want to have right now.

Bwahaha. Gw keeps on chucking marines because that's what most buy. Few disgruntled ork or eldar is pittance. Most of those too will buy marines.


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 Jidmah wrote:
Which section has the datasheet limit?

Eternal war mission pack. Aka matched play missions.

 Jidmah wrote:
Which section has the datasheet limit?

Any datasheet limits are now a function of the mission pack, along with the rules for Warlords. So different mission packs might have different rules.

 Oguhmek wrote:
Well I heard that SW, DA, and BA won't be getting codexes of their own anymore, just SM codex supplements like all the other first founding chapters...

with salt etc

There's nothing preventing SW, DA, and BA from getting turned into supplements with updated new unique units.
That's actually for the best as it allows any updates to the standard Space Marine units in the main codex to also carry over into the supplement versions without 4x the FAQs and having to print either updated codexes or additional books (like Psychic Awakening).

 Jack Flask wrote:

 Oguhmek wrote:
Well I heard that SW, DA, and BA won't be getting codexes of their own anymore, just SM codex supplements like all the other first founding chapters...

with salt etc

There's nothing preventing SW, DA, and BA from getting turned into supplements with updated new unique units.
That's actually for the best as it allows any updates to the standard Space Marine units in the main codex to also carry over into the supplement versions without 4x the FAQs and having to print either updated codexes or additional books (like Psychic Awakening).

Honestly wouldn’t mind this and hope it happens.

 General Kroll wrote:


I think people need to just accept that GW make most of their money on Marine kits, they know that they will all sell like hot cakes. I get that people desperately want plastic kits for things like Warp Spiders, or Biovores, I’d love to see how awesome plastic Phoenix Lords like Karandas and Asurmen would look. But at the end of the day GW are a business and they have to make money. They know most players have at least some marine models as they’ve been in every starter set. For most people marines were their gateway into the hobby, so they know that they’ll be able to sell loads of marine stuff. There’s really no point crying about it, as it won’t change anything.

It’s not like we haven’t had new plastic kits replacing finecast stuff anyway, banshees, Jain Zar, Incubi and Drazhar just recently. Plus a huge amount of new Cron stuff coming. Sure there are more frequent marine kits, but the way I see it, the sales of marine kits pay for the riskier kits that may take longer to make their money back.

Its almost like when GW ignores a model line for 20 years and doesnt support a faction, people stop buying said faction, and gw doesnt support said faction becuase people arent buying said faction... becuase they are too busy jerking out more primaris captains and lieutenant #592. Look at Dark eldar, they were stuck with a 2.5 edition codex all the way to fith edition, GW stores didnt even carry any stock of DE they were pretty much direct order only, and there were very few players, and after enough bitching they finally revitalized the line and it saw a decent resurgance, but have been plagued by terrible rules and poor balance.

Sisters of battle players were also in the same boat, a 2.5 edition codex all the way to 5th asking for new models / plastic models for 20 years and gw knew there was demand for it and guess what... they finally put some effort and relaunched the line and it sold like hot cakes... so its almost like... if gw put some money into fixing non space marine armies people might buy them again and gw would see people buying them and would put more money into it... but no instead they are stuck in a hell cycle of throwing 95% (arbitrary number) of their total resources at marines and wondering why so many people are pissed off that instead of fixing failcast, updating the eldar aspect warrior lines, <insert 20 year old model here> they are too busy replacing making the 593rd space marine character model or another unit of primaris marines.

While it was nice that banshees and the phoenix lord got new models, the rules were garbage becuase GW has no idea what they want to do with aspect warriors becuase they stole their identity and gave it to marines.

Its a complete joke that marines have more character that some armies have total units in their codex.

Sgt. Cortez wrote:
Overall 8th already felt like it was very focused on Marine releases, even more than before. If they started with faction specific Primaris units now I think they'll really stretch the patience of their customers. I'm pretty sure it's coming at some point, but after the debacle of the Marine Codex and its supplements last year where they lost a lot of good will from the other 20 factions in the game I think releasing even more Marines could generate the next shitstorm for GW. And after the ridiculous App, strange points and Indomitus I don't think that's what they want to have right now.

Was 8th Marine focused? Any more than previous editions. Off the top of my head, I can remember big releases for the following; Genestealer Cults, Eldar, Dark Eldar, tonnes of Chaos stuff finally updated, and new stuff, Slaaneshi Daemons, a bunch of Ork buggies etc, Admech, and plastic sisters.

Not Online!!! wrote:
snowflake primaris are a given..
sooner or later, probbly sooner, because the line up for Primaris is done.

Hahahahahaahaha, oh how beautiful the mind of a child is.

The line for primaris is done, funniest thing I've read all week.

the_scotsman wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
snowflake primaris are a given..
sooner or later, probbly sooner, because the line up for Primaris is done.

Hahahahahaahaha, oh how beautiful the mind of a child is.

The line for primaris is done, funniest thing I've read all week.

 warmaster21 wrote:


but no instead they are stuck in a hell cycle of throwing 95% (arbitrary number) of their total resources at marines and wondering why so many people are pissed off that instead of fixing failcast, updating the eldar aspect warrior lines, <insert 20 year old model here> they are too busy replacing making the 593rd space marine character model or another unit of primaris marines.

I keep seeing people saying this, It’s not really an either/or though is it. GW clearly have a business plan regards to model release, they are very clearly updating/replacing finecast bit by bit. Some lines get massive updates like the Necrons, or Tau, others are being done piecemeal. Marine releases are their bread and butter, that’s what makes them the most profit. Of course that is where they will put the majority of their resources, what sensible business wouldn’t?

But hey, this is wildly off topic so I’m going to stop here.

As far as the rumours I posted go, I can see them being right, but I’d be very surprised if we didn’t see another big xenos release this edition. Necrons are getting pushed as the big villain for 9th, and the lore behind the silent king returning is him coming back to deal with the Nids. I can see the Nids getting updated because boy do they need it.