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Nothing in the dex iirc is even called a CCW... beyond certain unit entries. Does the Djinn blade 'count as an additional CCW' or anything like that or is it just wargear?

The Djin blade IS a power weapon (p56) but it then states the "bearer" makes 2 additional attacks each round. AS it does not use "wielder" it could imply thatsimply having the blade is enough.

The exact quote is "A djinn blade is a power weapon. Furthermore, the bearer makes two bonus attacks every round of combat - . . . ect. "

Version 0.5 uploaded, now with vehicle armoury and army list questions!

What is the minimum model count required for the Court of Archon?

A GW employee told me 4, since the army list states for reach retinue type that the composition is "1-4, or 1-5" for example.

Oh, NOW you ask!

The GW employee was correct (for once ). The Court must have a minimum of 1 of each model, since the composition is 1-x of each model, not 0-x.

Sweet - thanks!

Confused on your nightshield FAQ about 6" weapons. Last edition, what you wrote is true, but this codex specifically states:

Nightshields have no effect on template or barrage weapons, as well as weapons with a maximum range of 6" or less

so if you have a 6" range weapon, you are immune to the nightshield! (MAJOR nerf by the way.... just ask marbo, lictors and blood angels... )

Anglacon wrote:Confused on your nightshield FAQ about 6" weapons. Last edition, what you wrote is true, but this codex specifically states:

Nightshields have no effect on template or barrage weapons, as well as weapons with a maximum range of 6" or less

so if you have a 6" range weapon, you are immune to the nightshield! (MAJOR nerf by the way.... just ask marbo, lictors and blood angels... )

Ah... Sorry. I was working on what I know about the codex, as I don't have it. I did not know about that part of the rule as I had just been told "Same as 3rd ed". I'll stealth fix this now.

Aaaaaaaand Stealth updated.

Does a Void Raven have to shoot at the same target in the shooting phase that it dropped a void mine on in the movement phase?

DarknessEternal wrote:Does a Void Raven have to shoot at the same target in the shooting phase that it dropped a void mine on in the movement phase?

Good Question, one which I ignored because it hurts my brain.

It really is unclear, but I would say "yes", since it "counts as using a weapon".

I wish there were consistency there. Harpies seem to have to shoot what they bomb, but Swooping Hawks do not.

Of course, "counts as using a weapon" might only be there to allow you to cause wounds etc in the movement phase, meaning you CAN shoot a different unit. -shrug-

Not sure if this should be a yes or no quite frankly.

Back to the Djinn Blade issue, I think it might _need_ an FAQ, but due to the Blades positioning in the 'Dex/wargear selection/etc and not in with the CCWs I'm fairly sure it's intended to be additional attacks on top of the Huskblades ones

ChrisCP wrote:Back to the Djinn Blade issue, I think it might _need_ an FAQ, but due to the Blades positioning in the 'Dex/wargear selection/etc and not in with the CCWs I'm fairly sure it's intended to be additional attacks on top of the Huskblades ones

It's on page 56, under "Weapons"...

So, I managed to get another look at the codex today. I have to say now, the Night Shield rules are a bit off...

The rule says that the "range of the unit" (whatever that is) is reduced by 6". It then gives the example of "a unit armed with bolters (Range 24") would be treated as having a range of 18"."

Now, this means that a model with a Multimelta would also have a range of 18", meaning he would have to be within 9" to get the Melta effect, not 12"
However, the rule then says "This extra distance is also counted for working out if the vehicle is in [...] half range for a melta shot and so on." which possibly implies that it doesn't.

Damnit Kelly!

DISCLAIMER: I have not seen too much from the new codex yet.

I don't think the melta range issue will crop up too much - surely trying to outgun the Dark Eldar is a recipie for disaster?

Gwar! wrote:
The rule says that the "range of the unit" (whatever that is) is reduced by 6". It then gives the example of "a unit armed with bolters (Range 24") would be treated as having a range of 18"."

"This extra distance is also counted for working out if the vehicle is in [...] half range for a melta shot and so on."

Those two things are not in contradiction with each other. Half-range of the new melta shot is computed based on its new max range. That reading satisfies both clauses.

Yeah, I know they aren't. It's just confusing and sloppily worded.

Gwar! wrote:

ChrisCP wrote:Back to the Djinn Blade issue, I think it might _need_ an FAQ, but due to the Blades positioning in the 'Dex/wargear selection/etc and not in with the CCWs I'm fairly sure it's intended to be additional attacks on top of the Huskblades ones

It's on page 56, under "Weapons"...

as you know - so's everything else - damn GW.

If Asdrubael Vect causes Instant Death on a multi-wound model with his Obsisian Orbs, does he gain only one wound, or all the wounds the victim originally had?

Eg: Vect ID's an Ogryn (3 wounds) with his Orbs, does he gain back the 3 wounds the Ogryn had or does he simply gain one?

Valkyrie wrote:If Asdrubael Vect causes Instant Death on a multi-wound model with his Obsisian Orbs, does he gain only one wound, or all the wounds the victim originally had?

Eg: Vect ID's an Ogryn (3 wounds) with his Orbs, does he gain back the 3 wounds the Ogryn had or does he simply gain one?

Orbs can't ID Ogryns.

That can, however, ID Rippers, Spods and Sky-Slashers, making the question a Legitimate one.

I would assume that Vect doesn't get the "extra" wounds, and they are wasted.

Similar to how if you overkill an IC in combat by say five more wounds than you needed to, you don't get those extra wounds for combat resolution purposes. But that's just a house rule/opinion.

Gwar! wrote:

Valkyrie wrote:If Asdrubael Vect causes Instant Death on a multi-wound model with his Obsisian Orbs, does he gain only one wound, or all the wounds the victim originally had?

Eg: Vect ID's an Ogryn (3 wounds) with his Orbs, does he gain back the 3 wounds the Ogryn had or does he simply gain one?

Orbs can't ID Ogryns.

That can, however, ID Rippers, Spods and Sky-Slashers, making the question a Legitimate one.

Why can't Orbs ID Ogryns? Surely a S10 Ap3 blast ID's T5 models?

vs Ld weapons treat Ld as Toughness for purposes of instant death.

I'd say he gains however many wounds were left on the model that died, just like instant death works for combat resolution. Unless I'm forgetting how combat resolution works. Either way, it should work like combat resolution.

Valkyrie wrote:Why can't Orbs ID Ogryns? Surely a S10 Ap3 blast ID's T5 models?

Orbs wound vs Ld. Ogryns are Ld6.

And as for "extra" wounds, I hadn't even thought of that!

Oh, and for the record, he would only regain one wound. Wounds that inflict “Instant Death” do not cause a model to lose all it's wounds, they are simply “killed outright and removed as a casualty”. It is only for the purposes of Combat Resolution you count the number of wounds “lost”.

Gwar! wrote:

Valkyrie wrote:Why can't Orbs ID Ogryns? Surely a S10 Ap3 blast ID's T5 models?

Orbs wound vs Ld. Ogryns are Ld6.

And as for "extra" wounds, I hadn't even thought of that!

Oh, and for the record, he would only regain one wound. Wounds that inflict “Instant Death” do not cause a model to lose all it's wounds, they are simply “killed outright and removed as a casualty”. It is only for the purposes of Combat Resolution you count the number of wounds “lost”.

Ok thanks, sorry for the whole "T vs Ld" mistake

Valkyrie wrote:Ok thanks, sorry for the whole "T vs Ld" mistake

Not to worry. Mistakes are how we learn things and some good did come out of it anyway, as a surprising number of Tyranid Models have Multiple Wounds and Ld5!

And now, Drumroll please!

Introducing the Unofficial Codex: Dark Eldar FAQ by Gwar! version one-point-oh!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That's right, a whole day BEFORE THE CODEX IS EVEN ON SALE!

Go to the first page of the thread here, read the riveting Legal mumbo jump and download it while it's hot folks!

Anyone else notice it's version 1.1 in the link? What's going on?

P. 63:
"A vehicle with a flickerfield has a 5+ invulnerable save"

p. 20 of bgb:
"Before he removes any models as casualties, the owning player can test to see whether his troops avoid the damage by making a saving throw."

p. 20: Invulnerable saves:
"Models with wargear or abilities like these are allowed an invulnuerable saving throw. Invulnerable saves are different to armor saves tbecause they may always be taken whenever the models suffers a wound. Even if a wound normally ignores all armor saves, an invulnerable saving throw may be taken."

Uhhh...so what does the flickerfield do? When do I roll for it? Can I roll if I fail dangerous terrain? Does it work in hth? Does it never work because vehicles don't take wounds?
/facepalm