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DEUS VULT wrote:

TyraelVladinhurst wrote:codex astartes IS a play book written by a pimarch who was an unwitting tool of chaos to farther break down the imperium (read legion to know what i am talking about)

Do you have anything to back up that statement?

the book. legion

Vulkan. Sorry. But I like Halberds more than swords.

Kurze: The way he carried out justice in his past and how his legion fought prior to going too far. Quick, decisive, cruel and a complete surprise.

Lion: Surviving on a death world as an infant away from civilization says enough. Master strategist and cautious/paranoid behavior to keep his back safe. Only his faith in his brothers undid him.

Rowboat: Made one of the nicest places to live in the imperium. Being a master of logistics is one of the best talents though or else you end up like the Americans in the Spanish-American war... hi, cavalry division here. whats that? No, the horses didn't make it save 2 and one drowned coming ashore.

I'll be honest and I don't mean this disparagingly...but I'm shocked Kurze is liked by so many. I always found his character template so emo I guess....I would have never guessed he would be so popular.

I like dem all!

But seriously...

Kurze, Sanguinius, Corax, Angron, and.... I like turtles (Dorn)

Hehe... first 4 are mostly assualt oriented, then we get to turtles...

Malal is a chaos god.
Read the HH book, heroes of the space marines.

Rogal Dorn.

He saved the Emperor's life!

In my opinion it has to be Lion El'Johnson or Angron, both of these primarch's survived an attack when they where but a 'tiny' baby.

The Lion survived on a death world with warp beasts and Angron killed a freakin Eldar Farseer sent back to kill him!

rogal dorn. purely because the back templars originated from him.
also, konrad kurze, because... he is the batman

For the loyalists mine is Sanguinius, since he held the interior gate of the palace alone. Broke Kar'Banda over his knee. They right before he dies he rips the heads off to other blood thristers then Horus kills him.

Overall favorite primarch though has to Cruze. He was the monster the Emperor needed him to be.

What LeacyofBaal said about Curze. Perfect.

Asgeirr Darkwolf wrote:

shrike wrote:

purplefood wrote:

Mukkin'About wrote:Sanguinius. Where was your precious space wolf when the emperor was being mortally wounded?

Destroying an entire SM legion.

"where was your precious primarch then?"
"Destroying a legion."
"...ah."

+1.

Taking magnus out of the fight wasn't as heroic as it iwas ntened to be, but the chaos gods lost a valuable weapon... while sanguinius was dying. Yes, it was a "heroic sacrifice" to let the emperor win, but it was kinda... accidental. Plus, it screwed over his legion forevermore.

I think you are looking at the Russ/Magnus situation from the wrong angle. Magnus had not fallen to Chaos when Russ attacked. Russ' orders from the Emperor were to bring Magnus back to Terra for punishment. Horus intercepted those orders, being the Warmaster, and gave Russ new orders to destroy the Thousand Sons. When Russ began his attack Magnus thought the Emperor had betrayed him and vowed his loyalty to Chaos.

So technically, Russ removed a powerful tool of Chaos from the Heresy. But it was also a tool that would not have belonged to Chaos had Russ not attacked it.

OT: My vote is for Sanguinius. Wise and humble in counsel, but fierce and relentless in battle.

Have to be Sanguinius for me, his personality just seems the most human to me he is noble at his best and a raging, killing, brezerker at his worst, plus he manhandled a Blood thirster and then willing goes to open up a can on Horus who is on par with the Emperor, which doesn't go as planned but hey win some lose some

necrongod wrote:

DEUS VULT wrote:

TyraelVladinhurst wrote:codex astartes IS a play book written by a pimarch who was an unwitting tool of chaos to farther break down the imperium (read legion to know what i am talking about)

Do you have anything to back up that statement?

the book. legion

You HAVE to do better than throw a book at me. WHERE in the book? Gimme a page number or even better, a direct quote!

Lord Chiasson wrote:Have to be Sanguinius for me, his personality just seems the most human to me he is noble at his best and a raging, killing, brezerker at his worst, plus he manhandled a Blood thirster and then willing goes to open up a can on Horus who is on par with the Emperor, which doesn't go as planned but hey win some lose some

Apparently he knew he was going to die, but did it anyway because he knew it was his fate to oppose Horus and fall. He went out with courage and honour.

According to Dan Abnett he was the kind of guy who got to know each of his brothers on a very intimate personal level and didn't have quarrels with anyone.

Expunged number 2

because you're such a crazy fether that not even the imperium knows who you are, and neither does chaos.

and cuz Expunged number one was a ponce. Did you see the way he hogged all the grox steak that one time we all went over to Sangy's place for snacks? What a gak head!

EmilCrane wrote:

Lord Chiasson wrote:Have to be Sanguinius for me, his personality just seems the most human to me he is noble at his best and a raging, killing, brezerker at his worst, plus he manhandled a Blood thirster and then willing goes to open up a can on Horus who is on par with the Emperor, which doesn't go as planned but hey win some lose some

Apparently he knew he was going to die, but did it anyway because he knew it was his fate to oppose Horus and fall. He went out with courage and honour.

According to Dan Abnett he was the kind of guy who got to know each of his brothers on a very intimate personal level and didn't have quarrels with anyone.

Yeah a true bad mother....shut yo mouth. SANG!! Oh yeah!!!

It's Vulkan for me. I like hammers, fire & flames. Plus he was kind of a nice guy compared to the giant dicks most of the other Primarchs are.

DEUS VULT wrote:

necrongod wrote:

DEUS VULT wrote:

TyraelVladinhurst wrote:codex astartes IS a play book written by a pimarch who was an unwitting tool of chaos to farther break down the imperium (read legion to know what i am talking about)

Do you have anything to back up that statement?

the book. legion

You HAVE to do better than throw a book at me. WHERE in the book? Gimme a page number or even better, a direct quote!

ok i dont have an excact quote (lost my copy of the book) but heres how it goes. this orginization called the cabal made up of a bunch of aliens that are good at seeing the future. they predicted that if the emperor beat horus then he would be reduced to a corpse and the imperuim would halt all expansion stopping. in this stagnant time chaos would eventually seep in and win in the end. however, they said if Horus wins that the galaxy would be plunged into eternal war, eventually destroying all humanity, but in the process destroying chaos(no emotion, no gods). that is why the alpha legion joined horus, to destroy chaos. whether or not the cabal was right it is yet to be seen

thats as well as i can remeber i hope i did a good job of explaining. correct me if im wrong, all ye who have read legion

thanks for posting i have enjoyed every ones coments.

Sanguinius,just for plain awesomeness.he has wings!wings!

bok_choy17 wrote:Sanguinius,just for plain awesomeness.he has wings!wings!

Corax kinda has wings.

My favorite would probably be Dorn, calm and collected, a good tactical mind (but not the best), good combat skills (but not the best), but one hell of a siege specialist. He is basically good at most things (better than some of the other primarchs) but does not hold it over everyone's heads. Plus he was the only one with the balls enough to really stand up against the codex astartes, which ended up getting him over his head (meanwhile Vulkan and Russ just seemed to sit in the shadows and go "meh, whatever, if they pass it, we just won't really follow it").

Next would be Alpharius because from Legion it was made clear that he isn't as serious as his other brothers, he likes to go out and do his own things while another of his Legion pretends to be him (which I think is brilliant)
Finally, Curze, I can't help but feel a little bad for him, because nobody believed his visions (well, Dorn didn't and Fulgrim was a bit scared of him), but he was a very effective commander.

After those three I kind of have soft spots for Sanguinius, Russ, and Khan, but not as big as the first three for me.

My faviroute is definatly Fulgrim because he is the only being who has killed two primarchs (arguably guilman's not dead but healing) and he strangled the avatar of khaine to death, how bada** is that

necrongod wrote:

DEUS VULT wrote:

necrongod wrote:

DEUS VULT wrote:

TyraelVladinhurst wrote:codex astartes IS a play book written by a pimarch who was an unwitting tool of chaos to farther break down the imperium (read legion to know what i am talking about)

Do you have anything to back up that statement?

the book. legion

You HAVE to do better than throw a book at me. WHERE in the book? Gimme a page number or even better, a direct quote!

ok i dont have an excact quote (lost my copy of the book) but heres how it goes. this orginization called the cabal made up of a bunch of aliens that are good at seeing the future. they predicted that if the emperor beat horus then he would be reduced to a corpse and the imperuim would halt all expansion stopping. in this stagnant time chaos would eventually seep in and win in the end. however, they said if Horus wins that the galaxy would be plunged into eternal war, eventually destroying all humanity, but in the process destroying chaos(no emotion, no gods). that is why the alpha legion joined horus, to destroy chaos. whether or not the cabal was right it is yet to be seen

thats as well as i can remeber i hope i did a good job of explaining. correct me if im wrong, all ye who have read legion

I gather you mean that Guilliman is a tool of Chaos for killing Alpharius? I kinda get what youre getting at, but I submit:
1) Guilliman had no idea Alpharius was still loyal to the Imperium
2) Whose to say the cabal was telling the truth? They have their own motives, and tricking a Primarch into joining Chaos would be a signifcant blow to weaken the Imperium.
I hope I am not misunderstanding your point. I apologize if so.

moonshine wrote:My faviroute is definatly Fulgrim because he is the only being who has killed two primarchs (arguably guilman's not dead but healing) and he strangled the avatar of khaine to death, how bada** is that

Why do fans still think he is healing? When we have in character references of revered Ultramarines saying that they know Gulliman is dead and will never return.

If you want to root for a Primarch to come back root for the Lion.

or Russ

Corax!

Sanguinius is cool... but just too perfect. Each Primarch was created for a purpoose; Sang's was to be the golden child (and to sacrifice himself... but we've been over this.). Who gets my vote for the coolest job? Top 3:

Kurze, to impose order in whatever means necessary, and to use fear as a weapon and tool.

Alpharius, to find the plans of hte enemies and stop them before they know the plans themselves. Plus, you know, they're identical ninjas.

RRRRRRRUUUUUSSSS! His legion was created for the purpose, as an extreme safeguard, to take down another legion. Badass. You don't get much cooler than that. He is the plan B, the Order 66, the hound of the Emperor (can be used in a good and bad way).

Asgeirr Darkwolf wrote:RRRRRRRUUUUUSSSS! His legion was created for the purpose, as an extreme safeguard, to take down another legion. Badass. You don't get much cooler than that. He is the plan B, the Order 66, the hound of the Emperor (can be used in a good and bad way).

Now that explains a lot... GENIOUS!

shrike wrote:SM ninja FTW!!!
sanguinius is cool, but I prefer rowboat to golden boy. After all, he did write the codex-astartes. That's a pretty damn useful book.

It teaches Marines everywhere how to count to 10!