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purplefood wrote:

Mukkin'About wrote:Sanguinius. Where was your precious space wolf when the emperor was being mortally wounded?

Destroying an entire SM legion.

"where was your precious primarch then?"
"Destroying a legion."
"...ah."

shrike wrote:

purplefood wrote:

Mukkin'About wrote:Sanguinius. Where was your precious space wolf when the emperor was being mortally wounded?

Destroying an entire SM legion.

"where was your precious primarch then?"
"Destroying a legion."
"...ah."

+1.

Taking magnus out of the fight wasn't as heroic as it iwas ntened to be, but the chaos gods lost a valuable weapon... while sanguinius was dying. Yes, it was a "heroic sacrifice" to let the emperor win, but it was kinda... accidental. Plus, it screwed over his legion forevermore.

Asgeirr Darkwolf wrote:

Taking magnus out of the fight wasn't as heroic as it iwas ntened to be, but the chaos gods lost a valuable weapon... while sanguinius was dying. Yes, it was a "heroic sacrifice" to let the emperor win, but it was kinda... accidental. Plus, it screwed over his legion forevermore.

In the older fluff, Sang was prescient and knew he was going to his death...but the chink he would deliver in Horus's chaotic armor was needed for the Big E to win. So he knowingly marched to his doom to save us all!

Well... who had the most long-lasting effect on the way things turned out? Oh yeah that's kind of obvious if you read the Horus heresy books, the ones about the Horus heresy, where Horus the primarch becomes a potential rival to the all-powerful Emperor while the other primarchs either bend to his influence or have to band together to defeat him, and the winged guy gets killed by Horus, and the Emperor gets mortally wounded capitalizing on the chink his wingy vampy son made... the answer is pretty clear... it's definitely Angron, the true main character of the Horus Here-say. They should have just named the whole incident after him or something.

yeenoghu wrote:Well... who had the most long-lasting effect on the way things turned out? Oh yeah that's kind of obvious if you read the Horus heresy books, the ones about the Horus heresy, where Horus the primarch becomes a potential rival to the all-powerful Emperor while the other primarchs either bend to his influence or have to band together to defeat him, and the winged guy gets killed by Horus, and the Emperor gets mortally wounded capitalizing on the chink his wingy vampy son made... the answer is pretty clear... it's definitely Angron, the true main character of the Horus Here-say. They should have just named the whole incident after him or something.

The Angron heresy...
Not quite the same ring to it.

Ooooh, its like being a kid in a sweet shop.

1. Angron. Just so damn angry.
2. Alpharius. Just so damn sneaky.
3. Lorgar. Just so damn emo. Nah, only kidding, third would be konrad kurze. Scary man/demigod/thing

purplefood wrote:

yeenoghu wrote:Well... who had the most long-lasting effect on the way things turned out? Oh yeah that's kind of obvious if you read the Horus heresy books, the ones about the Horus heresy, where Horus the primarch becomes a potential rival to the all-powerful Emperor while the other primarchs either bend to his influence or have to band together to defeat him, and the winged guy gets killed by Horus, and the Emperor gets mortally wounded capitalizing on the chink his wingy vampy son made... the answer is pretty clear... it's definitely Angron, the true main character of the Horus Here-say. They should have just named the whole incident after him or something.

The Angron heresy...
Not quite the same ring to it.

I havent actually read the books but I somehow get the feeling that the HH series wasnt that good?

WARORK93 wrote:

purplefood wrote:

yeenoghu wrote:Well... who had the most long-lasting effect on the way things turned out? Oh yeah that's kind of obvious if you read the Horus heresy books, the ones about the Horus heresy, where Horus the primarch becomes a potential rival to the all-powerful Emperor while the other primarchs either bend to his influence or have to band together to defeat him, and the winged guy gets killed by Horus, and the Emperor gets mortally wounded capitalizing on the chink his wingy vampy son made... the answer is pretty clear... it's definitely Angron, the true main character of the Horus Here-say. They should have just named the whole incident after him or something.

The Angron heresy...
Not quite the same ring to it.

I havent actually read the books but I somehow get the feeling that the HH series wasnt that good?

Most people here say it's pretty good. Depends on the book really though. And the author.

I havent read them eather but i read alot of lexicanum .

Mortarian - Becasue he had a godamn scythe, makes you awesome using a scythe

The scythe thing is admittedly, awesome, however he's a bit of a grouch/dour faced so and so in my opinion. Plus he had a bit of a bag on about psychics which I think is a tad short sighted.

Considering the reason he and his legion end up all Nurgley is because of a psychic you have to agree with him.

That and crap luck from day one

Lorgar, Corax and Vulkan.


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I would have gone for Mortarion, but he didn't dedicate himself to papa nurgle straight away, he was 'Persuaded' to by having much of his legion destroyed by the destroyer plague.

I being a fan of good and loyal guys trying to make a difference, id go for Corax then Sanguinius, those HH guys are just too... cliche (cept kurze i think). Anyways, Sanguinius died for a noble cause, just like Big E almost did.

Sanguinius. Went to his death when he knew it was coming, did not turn when it would have saved him. Sang also was favored by many to be the warmaster over Horus and took Horus' ascension to Warmaster bearing no ill will.

I am really hoping we get a lot more background on this enigmatic primarch in the HH novels.

shrike wrote:Corax the SM ninja,
Vulkan the craftsman lavaman,
Dorn the loyal,
Lion el' johnson the gay,
Khan the biker,
Angron the angry,
Sanguinius the killy,
gulliman the writer (even though chaos can easily predict what we're gonna do because of it)

You forgot Russ the constantly inebriated.

SM ninja FTW!!!
sanguinius is cool, but I prefer rowboat to golden boy. After all, he did write the codex-astartes. That's a pretty damn useful book.

I dunno, all these goody two shoes sm guys, I can respect the loyalty n all, but I just dont think they're as interesting. Don't get me wrong, being good isn't boring, but I feel they delve more deeply into the characters that are turned, because it makes a better journey for the audience, so I can get taken along with that a bit more. Then again, maybe i',m just a sucker for a guy with twin chainaxes and a drug induced war frenzy....

shrike wrote:SM ninja FTW!!!
sanguinius is cool, but I prefer rowboat to golden boy. After all, he did write the codex-astartes. That's a pretty damn useful book.

is that why quite a few legoins decided not to use it?

necrongod wrote:

shrike wrote:SM ninja FTW!!!
sanguinius is cool, but I prefer rowboat to golden boy. After all, he did write the codex-astartes. That's a pretty damn useful book.

is that why quite a few legoins decided not to use it?

All the Legions adopted the Codex Astartes to some extent. The Space Wolves are the only legion that didnt adopt the Codex Astartes 10 company format
http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Codex_Astartes
The majority of Chapters are Ultramarines successors and follow the Codex closely.

shrike wrote:SM ninja FTW!!!
sanguinius is cool, but I prefer rowboat to golden boy. After all, he did write the codex-astartes. That's a pretty damn useful book.

not really, think about it if he hadn't broken up the marine legions the nids wouldn't be such a threat and astartes would be less predicable

Russ for being awesome and just plain fun to read about.

Kurze for his grim past and his underhanded tactics, it would be awesome to see Russ and Kurze fight

Dorn for his awesome defensive capabilities, steadfast as the castles he builds.

Magnus for his psychic awesomeness, second only to the Emperor it seems, and for the tragic events concerning his precious legion.

Sanguinius for me definitely, I mean just look at the guy he has wings that allow him to fly even whilst carrying all his primarch battle kit, intense psychic abilities that revolve around using blood as a weapon both inside and outside the body, he can see the future, his legions / his artificed gear looks like THE BOMB and not forgetting the whole heroic sacrifice thing.

Closely followed by Vulkan (His origin story is awesome not to mention the promethium cult deserves major kudos) and Lion el johnson (gotta love the idea of his final battle with Lex Luthor , Oh and hes sleeping in a ROCK waiting for the end of days so he can bust out and kick ass)

TyraelVladinhurst wrote:

shrike wrote:SM ninja FTW!!!
sanguinius is cool, but I prefer rowboat to golden boy. After all, he did write the codex-astartes. That's a pretty damn useful book.

not really, think about it if he hadn't broken up the marine legions the nids wouldn't be such a threat and astartes would be less predicable

I've thought about it. Yor statement makes no sense.
The purpose of breaking up the legions was not to reduce the number of space marines (arguably there are more in total now(m41) than during the HH) but rather to reduce the power wielded by one man/primarch. The standing legions were simply too powerful. By splitting the legions into 1000+/- marine chapters the Imperium increased tactical flexibility, maintained the total number of Marines, and decreased the potential threat of Marines going rogue. The Tyranids are a threat because there are a lot of them, not because the legions no longer exist. The Imperium does not pursue an expansionist policy as they did during the Great Crusade. Rather, the maintenance of Imperial space is the current focus. Due to their flexible nature, Chapters are better suited for this task than legions.
In addressing your second point, how does the Codex Astartes make them less predictable? I think you may be confusing it as a simple playbook, which it is not. While it does address tactics, it also address strategy, logistics and other factors critical to conducting a succesful campaign and organizing a squad/company/chapter. I doubt very much that Guilliman would write the text if it gave the enemy any kind of significant tacitial or strategic advantage.

Any Chaos Primarch that is still hanging around with his troops. I'm a big fan of Lorgar for his initial efforts, but this whole "ascend to Daemonhood then lock himself in his room for 10,000 years and counting" is a bit annoying.

codex astartes IS a play book written by a pimarch who was an unwitting tool of chaos to farther break down the imperium (read legion to know what i am talking about)

TyraelVladinhurst wrote:codex astartes IS a play book written by a pimarch who was an unwitting tool of chaos to farther break down the imperium (read legion to know what i am talking about)

Do you have anything to back up that statement?

I like Dorn and Sanguinius.

Dorn is steady as a rock. Honourable and reliable. He embodies traits I admire. He also defended the palace like a boss.

Sanguinius died for your sins.

DEUS VULT wrote:

TyraelVladinhurst wrote:codex astartes IS a play book written by a pimarch who was an unwitting tool of chaos to farther break down the imperium (read legion to know what i am talking about)

Do you have anything to back up that statement?

read it, it basically says what you can or cannot do... and if you don't adhere to this the entire imperium comes down on you... unless your the wolves for some odd reason