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It's even more of a pain when the kit you buy expects you to accurately cut the small metal pieces you get.

I won't buy them if they're metal. If resin (or better,plastic) I would buy some.

The question to ask is: who will be purchasing these and what do they prefer?

I play guard which means I am going to be buying over 20 of these if I buy one. With metal, I will need to pin each part to ensure it doesn't fall apart in gameplay. This means getting out my little GW pin vice and spending 5 minutes on each individual part to get it to support a pin. Multiply this by an army's worth of your mini's and you can see where I'm going. For me, it would be easier to just buy some resin IG ("corporation") from Mantic and call it a day.

To address your earlier point: things will tend to break easier with resin, this is true. Although, the type of guys who own a pin vice and are willing to invest the time in pinning will also probably be able to use greenstuff to fix the small issues caused by resin.

Comparatively, there is no reason metal should win out. So, my point is that you may sell a few of the metal guard but you will not see the volume you are looking for. Unless modellers can cut, shape, and convert your figures with ease, they will invest in something else.

insaniak wrote:

mad robot wrote:Resin really means that much to people?

For me, it's not so much that I'm attached to resin as that multi-part metal models are a pain.

This

I have worked with metal, plastic and resin models for over 20 years now. While I much prefer plastic as it is easiest to work with, I have no real issue with metal or resin. If I like the model (and I do in this case) then it being metal or resin won't bother me either way. NOw if we could go multiple pose plastic I would be all over these guys.

I've been seriously considering a Traitor IG army for a long time. These models could easily make the cut, if I ever go through with it.
If they're in metal, though... that many models are going to get very heavy, very fast.

Eric

Just wondering how the progress on this is going. Have you made any further decision on which way you want to cast stuff?

I'll buy the heads if you sell them separately as either resin or metal, doesn't bother me

@Fenriswulf: It's been a matter of waiting on the prints, they are arriving today. I will be posting pictures ASAP.

The full sets will be cast in metal. Initially there will not be any heads sold separately but that will change once I get the line established. if I do sell the heads by themselves, there is a possibility I will do them in resin but I will have to wait and see.

I am looking into doing a Kickstarter project in order to get these finished without delay. What are people's thoughts on that?

The Kickstarts have gotten popular lately, but it'd take a good incentive to get me to buy in at this point.

You lost me at "metal" there mate.

Good luck though!

Here is a picture of all the prints we needed for casting. I still need to go over these and make sure they are up to standards but it gives a complete picture of what we're working with.

Thunderfrog wrote:You lost me at "metal" there mate.

Yup, me too.

We are now taking PRE-ORDERS on our first 28mm release...the Sadoukadi Greatcoats!

"Born of hard conflict and drawn out wars of attrition, the Greatcoats of Sadoukad-16 are the embodiment of the foot slogger. From frozen arctic wastelands, to burnt out cities, to sulfuric trench-laden fields of mud, the legions of great-coated warriors are able to adapt to a variety of battlefield environments. Drawing upon what some would call “antiquated” equipment, their strength lies in their vast numbers."


*** PRE ORDER INFO ***

These 28mm multi-part figures are cast in white metal. Each pack contains enough parts to build 10 figures and includes the following:

5 standard heads
5 heads, goggles up
5 heads goggles down
10 torsos
10 sets of arms, multiple poses
10 sets of legs, multiple poses
Alternate squad leader arms
2 extra weapons: Grenade Launcher & Flamethrower


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Centurionpainting wrote:

Thunderfrog wrote:You lost me at "metal" there mate.

Yup, me too.

You also lost me on the cost. 10 for $50 (or $40) on pre-order. Way too expensive.

$40 for pre-orders, the pricing is similar to other companies offering metal, multi-part figures.

It seems a little high, but maybe if you broke it down and sold a set of 4 for $20, then people who like the models but don't want a whole unit could pick up just a few for a smaller price point.

Some additional pictures...

The pricing seems to be in line with most other metal minis, if not slightly cheaper considering that it's 10 multipart models.

Privateer typically has their boxes priced at $50-$70, with most of the models being two part models.

Most individual models you get from Reaper are around $7-$10, battletech is in the $9-$12 range, infinity tends to see $12-$15 easily.

A box of Kharskins runs $41.25 and they are all single piece models. (A unit of death korps will easily set you back about $60+)


Having them in metal priced at basically $5 a model it seems just fine IMO.

Plus it's not like it's Failcast where you'll have it looking like swiss cheese and need to fix every mini.

mad robot wrote:Some additional pictures...

Frankly, I don't think these pics are doing you any favours. Blowing them up to 50 times actual size is making them look awfully rough. Going off the initial pic, I thought the texture on the coat was really cool... but then seeing the same texture on the head and chest armour... not so great.

The pic of the arms, gangly proportions aside, looks much better. On the interwebs, bigger is not always better.

I think the grain is part of being zoomed in so much, it's also equally noticable on the blue background as well so I'd suspect it's part of the camera's macro setting.

The arms and legs look great to me, and given that the master parts are all made from the same material I think that it's probably a camera effect from zooming in so closely.


Just cutting the image size in half with no digital clean up improves the grain, the smaller head to the right being closer to actual scale and it's still easily twice the size it is on the mini.

paulson games wrote:I think the grain is part of being zoomed in so much,...

Yeah, that was my point. I suspect that the casts themselves are fine... but seeing them blown up so huge gives a false impression. People aren't going to look at those pics and say 'Well that should be ok at actual size'... they going to look at them and see a mini with a rather rough texture all over it.

I agree insaniak, please put up pictures that flatter the models not make them look worse. I'm sure they look great though but just not everyone will think about it so much and will simply be put off by the bad picture.

Point taken on the pics.

Hey Mad Robot, I love the look of that helmet on the right, add 4-9 more with variations with cloth helmet covers, differnt eye pieces like goggles or sun glasses and you'll get a sell alot to me


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Hey Mad Robot, I love the look of that helmet on the right, add 4-9 more with variations with cloth helmet covers, differnt eye pieces like goggles or sun glasses and you'll get a sell a lot to me

The 3 heads pictured are all that will be available right away, 5 of each. There will be some different variants when the heavy weapons teams come out later this year..

Are you looking to sell those metal heads separately? I'd love to get about 10 of them initially to try out on some models, and if they'll suit, order up a hell of a lot more. Love the full helmet and goggles look.

Really glad you've got to the step of releasing the miniatures! Well done!

I think you've really nailed a good look for the greatcoats. Just wondering what kind of size they are. Are you using 28mm GW heroic scale, or have you gone for some more realistic proportions. Be interested to know.

In any case, good to see it done!

Edit: Think I might just pre-order a box. I am going for a different look in my army, but I think a squad of these would be interesting to see. Could be a special Inquisitorial squad or the like. Would still like to see the heads being able to be bought separately.

@Fenriswulf- Thanks for the support!

For now, the heads will not be available separately. To do that would have required a separate set of molds made just for them and it wasn't in the budget. I've already started looking into ways to get some out this summer.

Size wise, they match up pretty good with FW stuff, see pic below. It shows an early print of the figure, the final version will stand about 2mm shorter and the head will be slightly larger, but it still demonstrates the size comparison:

That's perfect. Scale wise they'll fit right in with my other more normal scale looking guys. Can't stand the regular GW plastic proportions.

As for more heads, I look forward to seeing your results. I'll have to go by the ones which arrive, but I look forward to checking them out!

I'm very happy to announce that I messed up and over-estimated the production costs of our 28mm Greatcoat models!

The new price, upon release will be $30.
The pre-order price is $25.

We will be taking pre-orders right up to the day we receive the first production run, which will be sometime this month.

ORDER HERE

Also, because of the changes we made to the molds, It looks like we'll be able to sell the heads separately. Expect to see those available when the figures are released, later this month.

This new price makes the models really affordable. Color me interested.

Yeah, The $50 price tag was not sitting well with me so I'm glad things have turned out for the better.

I'll have pics of some painted models uploaded in a week or so.

Great move with the pricing!!

These gorgeous figures are now a lot more affordable for people wanting to purchase a whole armys worth!

When can we expect some painted examples?

Cheers,

AH