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azazel the cat wrote:

Private_Joker wrote:If you want badass look at the SAS.

The only non-US forces that I would honestly guess will be better trained than the US elite units would be Russian Spetznaz, and that is only by virtue of a few facts:
1) It was developed at a time when Russia's military might was parallel to that of the USA.
2) They have the population to ensure that only the top 0.001% of soldiers can make the cut.
3) They have been almost constantly involved in military actions thanks to the tumultuous state of affairs that has plagued the Balkans since forever.
4) The US will limit some training elements because they recognize at least a few human rights. Russia, however, long ago ran all out of 's to give.

I do know that the Danish were given high praise for the role of their special forces in Afghanistan. I'm fairly certain they didn't have any conscripts in the country though.

azazel the cat wrote:

Private_Joker wrote:If you want badass look at the SAS.

The only non-US forces that I would honestly guess will be better trained than the US elite units would be Russian Spetznaz

GSG 9, Shayetet 13, and the SAS units trained and operated under MI-6 are arguably better trained than top tier US forces, (sorry Matty I just don't know that much about the RM). Spetznatz is actually a very broad term for a large group of warriors in the Russian Federation that encompass internal police, army, navy, and the FSBs special foces. They CAN be trained to a tier one level, or they can be trained to an elite infantry role, or to a SWAT/AT role...which means they run the gamut of good to great to epic.

I do know that the Danish were given high praise for the role of their special forces in Afghanistan. I'm fairly certain they didn't have any conscripts in the country though.

AustonT wrote:GSG 9, Shayetet 13, and the SAS units trained and operated under MI-6 are arguably better trained than top tier US forces, (sorry Matty I just don't know that much about the RM). Spetznatz is actually a very broad term for a large group of warriors in the Russian Federation that encompass internal police, army, navy, and the FSBs special foces. They CAN be trained to a tier one level, or they can be trained to an elite infantry role, or to a SWAT/AT role...which means they run the gamut of good to great to epic.

It is arguable, both ways.

Something else folks don't consider is NO Tier 1 unit is worth much without support elements. From the 160th SOAR to the 24th Special Ops Wing and a slew of other elements, when it comes to a fully integrated package capable of being delivered to and operating almost anywhere, it is going to be very difficult to argue that US SOCOM and specifically JSOC units can be beat.